back to article A new Mac Pro coming this spring? 'Mais oui!'

Apple will release a new Mac Pro this spring, according to a French fanbois website that got its mains on what it says is a memo from a Gallic Apple reseller. "Apple nous informe qu'une nouvelle gamme Mac Pro va sortir au printemps 2013," France Systèmes wrote in a missive to its customers informing them of the February 18 …

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Anonymous Coward

Six years since the last major upgrade? What is that, 42 dog years? Not that the Mac Pro is a dog, mind you...

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Nah.

I'd be surprised if they change the form of the most recognisable workstation on the market. And it's fairly well designed internally. We're probably just talking a new system board to support newer CPUs and graphics, USB 3 ports and maybe eSATA.

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Re: Nah.

Mast recognisable workstation on the planet? I've never even seen one and I've worked in IT for about 15 years. Up until recently, I worked for a company where 50% of the staff had Macs of one form or another, not a single one had a Mac Pro.

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JDX
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Re: Nah.

Perhaps a dictionary would help you, look up what "recognisable" actually means. Then you won't look such a plum fool.

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Re: Nah.

But isn't the reason the current one is being withdrawn from the EU that some aspect of it needs to be redesigned for compliance? Though I'll wager it'll be just to seal off the fans, especially as G5-style liquid cooling probably isn't something they'd want to attempt again.

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Re: Nah.

I've got a Power Mac G5, the precursor to the Mac Pro...we installed Linux on it ages ago because even then it was cheaper than buying a Power4 workstation from IBM.

It's a gorgeous machine, love the transparent side panel below the aluminum panel (so you can take off the aluminum panel and show off the interior without disrupting air flow. I always thought it was kind of cool that when you remove the transparent panel all the fans sped up.

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Re: Nah.

Can you describe a Dell Optiplex 200? Can you describe it so that I wouldn't mistake it for an HP XXXX100? Thought not. A great many people can recognise the Mac Pro. What Macs "of one form or another" did the company you worked for, use? We use Mac Pros, iMacs, Mac minis, lots of MacBooks and MacBook Pros. They are quite distinct from the usual PC stuff. I can tell you what laptop my web developers use - a MacBook Pro. Can I tell you what laptop my Project Managers use? No. It's possibly a Dell, or an IBM or Lenovo, maybe an HP. Who knows? They all look the same.

So, for the simple reason that the Mac Pro is distinct from all other PC desktops, it is more recognisable.

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Re: Nah.

I would beg to differ that more people would recognize an IBM Thinkpad and I would put that pot ugly iMac in second place.

Mac Pros are high end workstations that are stuck under desks like most other workstations. There really aren't many reasons that people would have seen one outside of the Apple Shops.

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I would beg to differ that more people would recognize an IBM Thinkpad and I would put that pot ugly iMac in second place.

Are you saying that the imac is "pot ugly" compared to the thinkpad? Wow...Thinkpad's are great machines - functional, fast, reliable (in IBM, non-lenovo form) and hard wearing. But they're not lookers.

And re: most people. Putting aside the actual aesthetics, you might find people *do* recognise the Apple's more because Apple/media types are extremely good at product placement on TV, in films etc.

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Re: Nah.

i'm not sure i'd class a Thinkpad as a workstation though. it's a laptop isn't it?

the OP didn't say the Mac Pro was the most recognisable computer in the world, he's talking about the kind that people normally hide out of the way under the desk, not sit on the train with it on their laps.

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Re: Nah.

"I'd be surprised if they change the form of the most recognisable workstation on the market."

Surely 'the most recognisable workstation' must be one of the Sun UltraSparcs?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_lSk990LIlbk/SYMqqILg5OI/AAAAAAAAAH4/yFsltL-D3VA/s400/P1020087.JPG

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Re: Nah.

No, I didn't say that the Thinkpad was good looking, just that is was easily recognisable.

I mentioned the ugliness of the iMac in order to help make the distinction between it and the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro is usually a good looking piece of kit.

I agree that the publicity around the iMac would help them get recognised but the publicity only lasted for a short period of time and that was a few years ago. In comparison the Thinkpad has been around for what seems like an eternity and they are still seen on trains, planes and in offices every single day.

Would I call a Thinkpad a workstation, definitely, I have coded and compiled thousand of lines of code on a T43p. At the time it was my principal machine, I never felt the need to use the desktop. For me it was a workstation but then again I didn't do Audio or Video editing..

The term workstation has no real intrinsic value as the meaning will depend entirely on who you are speaking to and also in relation to the job for which it is being used.

For me a workstation is a basically a desktop machine speced out with top of the range everything. It might also be in a nice case but that doesn't change much except for its looks. Since processor power and hard disk speed increase at such a high velocity, today's workstation will quickly become redundant.

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Re: Nah.

A PC is a hammer.

A Mac is a PC with a pink[1] bow tied around it.

[1] Also available in brushed metal.

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Re: Nah.

Clones of clones of clones... I look for the logo because white/black/multicolor,brushed aluminum, hinged, clamshell-like, processor-driven, computing device pretty much looks the same after a while.

Probably more psychological than anything else - you buy a car, all the sudden you see dozens of them, mostly better than yours.

;)

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Can you describe a Dell Optiplex 200?

Yes, I can. Anyways, the Optiplex is not a workstation anyways, it's a business PC.

Dell's workstations are called 'Precision@, and yes, they are distinctive. Much more than a wannabe-workstation in a chassis which hasn't changed for almost a decade.

And if you want something really distinctive, look up the HP z820. Designed by BMW.

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Re: Nah.

Hang on, do people think that the recognition factor/looks of a machine factor into improving performance/value for money?

What a funny world we live in.

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Strange, Apple have based a very large part of their marketing strategy on that premise and they have done quite well.

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I had to click the link to recognize it. I don't have to click a link to know how the Apple computers look.

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Re: Nah.

A system board with the latest CPUs, 1 TB of RAM and support for 12GB/s SAS is what the baby needs.

Of course the pretty case makes it twice as expensive as an HP Proliant with the same specs.

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Meh

Whatever the change will be,

it will be "revolutionary", "beautiful" and "amazing".

I'm starting to get used to it.

Yawn.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: Whatever the change will be,

It'll be knife-edge thin on the ends so it looks all thin and futuristic.

Of course, to achieve all of that thinness, some components will have to be scrapped - Optical drives, extra hard drives, processors, you know. All of that stuff that a true Mac connoisseur doesn't need.

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Re: Whatever the change will be,

Had to chuckle at that. Apple makes some great stuff especially in the past but more than a ring of truth to the comment.

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Re: Whatever the change will be,

No, that's the iMac. The Mac Pros are hefty and loaded.

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Re: Whatever the change will be,

They're hellishly expensive, but I have always wanted a fully maxed out Pro, if I won "the PC of your choice".

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Re: Whatever the change will be,

I bought my self a Mac Pro when they announced them back in 2006. It's still my main computer.

Do i have performance issues? not really. It happens, but no.

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Headmaster

More extended translation + Question

I would like add to your translation a little, it does make a difference :

"Apple have informed us that a new range of Mac Pros will be brought out in the spring of 2013."

The difference being that we are told a "Gamme" which translates a "range" or a "series". In other words there will probably be more than one version..

Info found here

But you won't find any reference to the new Macs.

On the MacG website there is a reference mentionning that France Systems have removed the last paragraph from the announcement they made, it doesn't mention why..

"[MàJ@20h15, 1re éd. à 13h45] France Systèmes a retiré le dernier paragraphe de sa lettre."

MAJ = Mise A Jour = Update.

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Love it!

I love my Mac Pro, it's beautiful, sturdy and easy to clean out. Should last another 10 years at least it's so well built.

I love it even more running Windows 7, after 3 years of MacOS nearly drove me to suicide.......

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Re: Love it!

I went the opposite way - Windows drove me bonkers - Lion / Mountain Lion do everything I need and more and features like secure, full disk encryption and time machine for backups are standard and way better than the equivalent on Windows.

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hmm

Great a whole new Mac Pro Apple wants me to buy to replace my perfectly serviceable first generation Intel Mac Pro. I guess that is why they went out of their way to be sure I couldn't upgrade it to the latest Mac OS X. Obsolesce by design is their business model. I mean you can't be in the cool kids club unless you drop fat dimes to Tim every few years.

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Headmaster

Re: hmm

The main thing about the existing Pro is that you aren't beholden t Apple for anything in terms of upgrades.

My memory came from Crucial and just slotted in, HD's are standard and just slot it, likewise DVD drives (you have to remove the front bezel though, a 10 second job). Swapped out my GPU for a Quadro (naturally you must get a Mac version) and added an ESATA card from Amazon (just had to make sure I got one with the right chipset).

I needed to add wireless to mine and could have gone for a standard adaptor, but picked up a second hand airport card instead. So technically in that case I did use an Apple product to upgrade the box, but it was actually cheaper than a new generic card anyway.

All the connectors internally are standard. So its just a question of making sure you have a driver for whatever you intend to plug in.

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Re: hmm

More BS most Apple kit I see outlasts the equivalent Windows kit. My iPhone 3GS is getting on for 4 years old and still supported so I don;t buy this Apple users upgrade at every new version rumour that is put around.

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Re: hmm

While I agree with the basic premise of your comment I disagree in so far as in some areas you are beholden to Apple.

First - and probably most significant - you cannot replace the PSU with a non-Apple PSU should your PSU fail. An Apple PSU is horendously expensive - even compared to some of the most expensive after-market PC PSUs.

Second - the wifi. My MacPro (2x 3GHz dual core Xeons) has no facility for adding wifi - Nothing at all. If I had wanted wifi I would have had to had a build-to-order machine with the necessary internal connector and wiring fitted - there is nowhere to fit an aerial (unlike the PowerMac G5) which came with a plug-in external aerial just in case. Are you talking about a credit-card sized airport card with its own little dlug-in slot (as fitted in all other Macs) or are you referring to a card stuck in one of the expansion slots?

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Re: hmm

Couldn't have said it better myself (stole much of post).

Another example for you why don't you try to install IOS 6 on your original iPAD. Oh that's right its not possible (without hacks anyway). Same will probably be true with the iPAD 2 and IOS 7.

By the way, for all of you who have anything but an iPhone 5, get ready for this: Your devices won't be supported very soon because Apple has changed the interface on the iPhone 5. So, the next generation of iPod and iPad will have the news ones too. And, my friends, that leaves your old devices in an incompatible format.

Awesome.

Think Different.

Planned obsolescence doesn't mean two years. Get a clue, Apple.

Consider me, "Unconverted."

What do you think of Apple's decision to not offer iOS 6 for a two-year-old device?

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>The main thing about the existing Pro is that you aren't beholden t Apple for anything in terms of upgrades.

Yes I upgraded mine with a ATI 4850 hacked special from China and found 8 gig of FB DIMMS from some off brand manufacturer for $100 as well. The driver issue is always hit or miss on hacked hardware though (I got lucky). I just think its pathetic that Windows 7, Windows 8 and Linux as well would both run just fine (win with boot camp) on my supposed old machine. That may well be my next step instead of buying a new machine. Probably best to get out from under Apples yolk with Linux anyway before they start trying to keep me from rooting my own desktop.

>making sure you have a driver for whatever you intend to plug in.

And that is exactly the issue. It takes a lot of effort and or money to stay in the official Apple club (only buy hardware not only supported today but will be supported going forward). Otherwise you find yourself in the hackintosh uncool crowd and that is even more pain going forward to keep things working right.

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Re: hmm

Are you high? What the hell does a connector have anything to do with software compatibility?

The limitation with the original Mac Pros if I remember correctly was that those CPUs can't do 64-bit.

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Re: hmm

First generation Intel Mac Pro? That came out in August 2006, in 2013 it is outdated ... Note that most Windows running crap from that year is probably on a dump somewhere today .... so you could consider yourself lucky.

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I have a 1st generation Mac and it does support 64bit, indeed I have it running Mountain Lion 10.8.2.

The little sting in the tail is that the UEFI or EFI or whatever the low level BIOS is called only supports 32 bit loaders which means that it can't load up the latest and greatest (YMMV) version of Mac OS X.

However the reasonably easy way around this, is to trick the Mac Pro to boot another OS through bootcamp, which actually then boots Mountain Lion rather than Windows. This is all done at startup and to be honest 99 people out of 100 wouldn't actually know there's an additional automatic startup step in the process. This is how the Hackintosh system works but the advantage is that a) I'm running this on a genuine Mac with b) a legal paid up copy of Mac OS X so am struggling to work out why this isn't completely legitimate.

I agree (in advance) that it's completely pants that Apple won't release a 32bit loader for 10.8.2 as the rest of the OS works perfectly well.

My machine has 8 cores, 32GB of memory and quite a lot of disk. It runs OS X Server as well and just sits there quietly doing it's job. I'm loathe to replace it as I'm not going to get a lot more speed for a hell of a lot more money. It's stands me about about £1,200 with the genuine Apple graphics card (which is the latest and slowest), a new machine is 2-3x that price and for what, i7 chipset , 3Ghz cores vs 2.6Ghz cores, a snappier graphics card to run the games I never buy or play?

Perhaps thats the problem and why the Saintly all-knowing, never wrong, android hating Jobs never really liked the Pro and why Acolyte Cook is struggling to replace it. It works, it doesn't go wrong (for me) and its cost effective.

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Re: hmm

What you're bragging about carrying a round a piece of dead weight? Even the lamest of modern Android phones is better than an iPhone 3GS sucker! and as it would be free with the contract one can only wonder what kind of idiot doesn't change their phone at least every 2 years.

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Re: hmm: Apple's decision to not offer iOS 6 for a two-year-old device

Is that the 2 year old device I have that's 3 years old and counting, that has just had iOS 6.1 successfully installed on it (iPhone 3Gs)? - *that* 2 year old device>>?

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Errm, nope, not at all.

I'm running a Core 2 Quad Q6600 from November 2007 (ok, 1 year newer than the Pro).

It's currently quite happily sitting running Windows 8.

It's due to be replaced in a couple of months as I want something a bit more up to date.

It wont be dead, though, it'll be going off as a new PC for a friends son where it will be just as capable of running the same software.

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Mac Pro and 64bit

"The limitation with the original Mac Pros if I remember correctly was that those CPUs can't do 64-bit"

No, the CPUs do 64bit just fine when sitting in a non-Apple system (I have a Dell Precision 690 using the same intel XEON 5365 processors as the old Mac Pros, running Windows 7 x64 just fine).

The problem was with Apple's implementation (or better: crippeling) of UEFI which they used as system firmware instead of a standard BIOS. UEFI has it's advantages but Apple removed most of them for the Mac Pro. It's this firmware which prevents it from running 64bit OS X.

But then, the firsg gen Mac Pro's could only take 16GB anyways (32GB with 3rd party modules and an user accepting the risk for killing the memory because of overheating), at a time when Windows/Linux workstations a la Dell Precision 690 or HP xw8400 could already take 64GB. Without overheating.

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a new machine is 2-3x that price and for what...

"...a new machine is 2-3x that price and for what, i7 chipset , 3Ghz cores vs 2.6Ghz cores, a snappier graphics card to run the games I never buy or play?"

I don't know what you use your Mac Pro for but let me tell you that the XEON 5600 processors which are also used in the current Mac Pro run circles around the old XEON 5100/5300 or 5200/5400 series CPUS from the old Mac Pro days. And the memory performance has also improved dramatically. FB-DIMMs were a pretty stupid idea, especially for desktop computers.

Today, even a current quadcore Mac mini will most likely outperform your Mac Pro in anything except maybe graphics performance.

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Android phones can't run iOS apps, therefore ANY iPhone is better than ANY Android.

Sucker.

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Ahh, the xw8400. The one with fuck-all PCIe bandwidth and bugger-all slots slots. Mac Pro 2,1 was the better machine, and cheaper.

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>Note that most Windows running crap from that year is probably on a dump somewhere today .... so you could consider yourself lucky.

Apple would prefer that also which they are not so subtly trying to get me to do with forced software obsolescence. As I mentioned though Windows OSes from 2006 and even he latest greatest Windows OS (yuck) run just fine on the hardware. Yes it was six years ago but it was top of the line hardware then and it still even runs games fine today. If you haven't noticed much of the reason why PC hardware sales in general are collapsing is because its no longer true a computer from a few years ago can't do the latest greatest. And if Linux and even Windows can support Mac hardware from 2006 why the hell can't Apple?

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Apple users stick with their hardware, but they sure do upgrade their software more often that windroids.

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