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Nokia’s latest budget smartphone brings the price of admission to Windows Phone 8 below the £150 mark. From today O2 will sell the Lumia 620 at £149.99 on pay-as-you-go, a bargain considering what’s inside. The network will also chuck in an additional free colour cover. Other operators will also offer the 620: Three and Virgin …

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I'll take 10 of them.

and pocket a cool £1500 and then throw them in the bin....

Oh, you mean they aren't paying me £150 each to take them??? Damn, there goes my plan....

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No one is buying them

If O2 is knocking them out at £149.99 then they can't be moving off their shelves. I'd better wait some more - it's like PriceDropTV :-D

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Re: I'll take 10 of them.

Barry, you have obviously pissed somebody off so much that they have created 28 (and counting) fake accounts just to vote you down!

Barry, I salute you. Keep up the good work :D

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Re: I'll take 10 of them.

So now there are 28 happy Win8 users? Who knew!

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One question

Can it send contacts via Bluetooth ? Coz WP 7/7.5 can't.

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Re: One question

There's Contact Share and Bluetooth Share apps on WP7.

The 620 is a WP8 device which can use NFC as well. Or use a QR code generation app and scan that on the other phone.

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Re: One question

I have an app on my Lumia (called Contacts Transfer) that does what it's called, via bluetooth, I think the reason you can't do it like you normally would (select contact, click "send") is because the contacts are from your social networks and email contact lists rather than how they would previously be stored as a vcard on the phone. Does make backing up your contacts pretty easy however........

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Re: One question

The 7.8 update adds that, at least on Nokia's.

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Sorry - I call bollocks.

Yes, there's contact share - via *SMS* or *email*. As for "Bluetooth share" WTF is that ???? You made it up.

From the horses mouth.

Now my Nokia 3210 could send a contact via BT. My wife's android can. But if I want to send her a contact from my phone ?

It may be a little-used feature. But when it's available it's very, very handy. And it says a lot about MS arrogance that they felt they could try and move forwards without it.

Just out of curiosity, does the iPhone let you send contacts via BT ?

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Re: One question

I'm sure I read the reason you couldn't is because MS didn't implement the required part of the BT stack ? Also why you can't transfer files over BT.

I can't speak for others, but a few times I've found it useful to be able to BT a picture or MP3 to someone in the same room without using email, or MMS (which can cost). Also BT to BT is *way* more secure depending what you're sending.

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...just another reason WP is shite ...

I just tried to google to see if this new feature is a 7.8 one, or Nokia (given that "Bluetooth Share" is a Nokia-specific app), and could find nothing to tell me if it'll help my HTC Trophy. Documentation is woeful.

I thought one of the sine-non-qua about WP was it mandated a minimum hardware spec ?

Anyway, still no reason for me to ever buy, or recommend WP to anyone.

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Re: Sorry - I call bollocks.

"Just out of curiosity, does the iPhone let you send contacts via BT ?"

No

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Re: One question

My Ativ S can send contacts via bluetooth or NFC, I can't remember if that option was there on my mozart because I can't remember the last time I wanted to send a contact via bluetooth.

1. send contact

2. searching for bluetooth

3. not found

4. tell friend to check they are discoverable

5. go to start

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Re: Sorry - I call bollocks.

AC, you're asking the wrong horse. Nobody said it was a WP feature. Just a Nokia feature, since 7.0.

see for yourself.

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Re: Sorry - I call bollocks.

Can you send anything via BT on an iPhone, other than audio to headphones or speakers? I know you can get bump or whatever it is called but can the OS do it without apps?

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Good value, not a bad spec, it can't be long before there are good phones sub-£100 PAYG opens up a whole new market of people who would never go for a £35/month contract or pay £400 up front for a smartphone.

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These aren't just for the student/kid PAYG crowd, there are probably more potential smartphone customers in India and emerging markets than in the UK/EU/US.

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I bought my smartphone 2 years ago for £100 on PAYG which had a 480x800 screen. Got the unlock code from the operator, rooted it and put on a newer version of Android. I'm still using it now and because I only use it occasionally, it'll do a weekend without charging. So many smartphones are aimed at the £400 mark that they forget there are others who'd like some of the benefits but are willing to skip the very latest hardware to get a decent price.

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Beautiful, goes well with the colours on my collection of Durex lube

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... and if you lick the covers you'll find they have the same flavours as the fruity condoms.

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How much RAM?

Hopefully more than the 256MB in their other lowcost WP7.5 device, the Lumia 610, which couldn't run popular apps because it didn't have enough RAM. Most outfits would learn their lesson and ship more RAM in future, but this is Nokia, so probably not.

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Re: How much RAM?

It has 512Mb, no powerhouse but what made you FUD 256Mb when you had no clue whatsoever.

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Re: How much RAM?

512, apparently. The reviews indicate that this is plenty.

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Re: How much RAM?

but what made you FUD 256Mb when you had no clue whatsoever.

Because that's what the last "low cost" WP7 device had, half the memory allocation of it's more capable brethren.

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Re: How much RAM?

Yes, but before people post stuff on forums such as this don't they do any research first or just bang away a post in two secs...?

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Re: How much RAM?

Yes, but before people post stuff on forums such as this don't they do any research first or just bang away a post in two secs...?

Couldn't be arsed to waste time on research, it's a Lumia for gawds sake. It was easier to ask the question.

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Don't forget the jury foreman

Apple's most dangerous patents:

1) Glass to the edge of the device - not quite as the back cover curves up to the front.

2) Four columns of icons - only three in the pictures.

3) The colour black - black background and border - oops.

Only one of the three infringed, but I am sure Apple can find a jury foreman that can convince the others three is approximately four and they should award punitive damages for all the patents anyway even if they are not infringed. If we say $50 per device per patent and triple damages for willful infringement, I make the total fine about $4931.12 - assuming that they sell all 6 and 3=4.

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Next week in the headlines

Headline : Nokia are now "paying" people to take "any" of their Win8 phones.

Headline : Microsoft annonces an "unbelievable " amount of Win8 have now shifted ( Obviously exact figures will not be provided).

Headline : Dell annonces that in collaboration with Microsoft and Nokia, 3 free Win8 phones will be included in the purchase of any Dell computer.

Headline : Microsoft annonces yet another increase in amount of Win8 that have now shifted ( Obviously exact figures will not be provided).

Headline : Elop publically flogged by unknown chair wielding, ape like figure with alopecia.

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Re: Annonces

I can normally resist my grammar nazi tendencies, but this is such an unfortunate error, and three times in one email...?

Please replace with announces.

I'm going to lie down now

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Re: Annonces

Ooopps, my daily language is French and unfortunately "annonce" is correct in "french*.......

Must remember to "write" in English.....

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A bargain

Yeah right! I couldn't give a shit if they were 10p each the OS is complete rubbish! (I've not used it but been told)

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Re: A bargain

You're a prick. I've not met you but I've been told...

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Re: A bargain

"(I've not used it but been told)"

Becuase people who go on about how great/crap a product is never have a hidden agenda?

Would I buy one of these for myself? No. I love my Galaxy Note with Cyanogen on it too much. Would I buy one of these phones for my wife? Possibly, as all she wants is a phone that makes calls, does texts and runs skype.

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Re: A bargain

I've been told that people that believe stuff they are told but never test the theory end up looking like complete morons....

I think you've just proved that for me, many thanks

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Re: A bargain

There are other and better phones that make calls, do texts and run skype.

And YES, I have bought, used and burned a WP device. I had a horrible Lumia 800 which causes me so much grief that I started a boycot campaign against Nokia, the retailer and the repair-agent. I made a complete loss on it not to mention that the walled garden OS is so incompetent that even the most trivial things are a pain in the ass (just TRY adding a ringtone...AARRGGH)

So for me NO MORE Lumia's EVER AGAIN! Symbian is much better IMHO. And that too can make calls, do text and run skype.

Cheers

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Re: A bargain

@Manu: How did the boycott go?

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Re: A bargain

@Manu T:

Nokia was the company that invented downloadable ringtones in the first place. If they've recanted on that, I for one will be flocking back to them.

Ob. XKCD.

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7.x?

£150 for an obsolete system?

£100 for a second hand N8, save £50 and get an obsolete system which still has enough users to ensure decent support for a couple more years.

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Re: 7.x?

No, this phone is WP8, but they have also released a 7.8 upgrade to older models.

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Re: 7.x?

Oh Jess, I know your torch is burning brightly for Symbian but do read the article before posting.

It runs WP8.

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Re: 7.x?

Gotta go with Jess here.. The fact that its windows 8 makes not the slightest. A newer featureless crippled wasteland is still a featureless crippled wasteland. Course you could go buy a 2008 touch pro/diamond for £35, flash it and install hostsUI, it'll even overclock.. All the fun of the tiles, none of the Ballmerhorrea.

Or indeed you could get a belle based phone, a smartphone -as opposed to the one all new WP 'special'phone category.

Windows Phone 8 - does about half what it says on everyone else's tins...

Symbian must be spinning in its grave... What is this I see before me? An S3 rom for beagleboard...?

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Re: No, this phone is WP8

So still £150 for an obsolete system

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Re: 7.x?

You clearly havnt used WP8 - It is much better and faster than Android / IOS. And over 160K apps now.

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@jemna

How is it a featureless wasteland?

What does it say it can do and does not?

So much bad info out there.

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Re: No, this phone is WP8

@hplasm

how is it obsolete? How did you measure obsolescence?

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Re: how is it obsolete?

I like this definition, it seems apt:-

Obsolete: imperfectly developed or rudimentary in comparison with the corresponding character in other individuals.

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Re: 7.x?

Simply compare Lumia specs to anything running symbian belle and my point she is made. Compared to Symbian, which itself came from EPOC, not-win-mo is a joke for a power user, and not-win-nt is barely better. Tv-out, winmo could do, symbian does, windows phone.. Ooh look, no go. Decent integrated 1998 grade bluetooth integration, oh failed again. USB-OTG even android can manage, WP? Nope more chance of getting a saddleback to 20,000 feet.

The most telling thing? That it all runs perfectly well on a single core processor running at less than half the speed of the quad cores needed to stop Android syrup syndrome. Not to mention inbuilt proper multitask and secure app features. Should I go on?

WP7 was based on the same CE core as Windows mobile which dates from the mid late 90s, WP8 on an NT core from the same era. Oooh look at my shiny new OS... Oh wait, is that a BSOD I see before me?

The depressing thing is that Symbian has suffered from the run to mediocrity that has happened due to IOS and 'droid. It is harder to program for because the people who developed it thought there should be some resiliance in there. The other approach is the 'hail and well met, script kiddies' one, and we know were that has gotten android, FCs, malignancy, and shutdowns galore. When Alexander the Great got to the sea it is said that he cried since there was nothing left to conquer, 10 minutes with Android programmers and he'd have thrown himself in, or gone totally postal. Mediocrity is not something to aspire to (although you wouldnt know it for looking).

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Whoop, yes I read it too quickly.

However, odds are my point about a second hand N8 not being totally obsolete before it may easy still turn out true, given Microsoft's previous history with mobile platforms.

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Bargain

The 610 I got for £160 last year (it's a bit slow but otherwise decent). This is powerful enough to run the more demanding NT kernel and costs even less?

If it runs WP8 OK this is a seriously good deal, but that would be my main concern. Did they mention if it has SD support?

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Re: Bargain

It has micro sd support up to 64Gb.

My lumia 710, cost £90 and it's been a good phone, this price point looks like it is as aggressive as that. Hopefully it will drop a bit more soon and I may pick one up.

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