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As expected, RIM today unveiled its much-delayed QNX-powered smartphone operating system, BlackBerry OS 10, along with two new handsets. The Canadian company also changed its name from Research In Motion to BlackBerry along the way. (It's quite a drastic way of evading our double entendres, but needs must.) The first device out …

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Looking just at the supplied picture, subjectively it's definitely not a particularly attractive phone by a long way. However Blackberries have always tended to be a bit more function than form focused anyway so this isn't really surprising and in real life the thing could easily look quite good, marketing shots aren't always that great.

10h talk time? In a modern smart phone? :) What are they thinking?

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"What are they thinking?"

Starting at 100% battery, Wifi/BT/GPS turned off, screen turned off, perfect signal, no apps running. Most companies claim a lot of talk time, Samsung reckon the S3 is capable of 21 hours* on 2G and apparently the Nexus 4 can do 15 hours.

*Samsung/N4 battery stats from gsmarena. Samsung's site has 2 battery time figures: "up to 10.8hours(3G) / up to 21.7hours(2G)" and "upto 900hours(2G) / upto 750hours(3G)" but doesn't specifically say "talk time".

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Tastes vary, I would say the design is quite nice actually. Sharp design anyway.

I find Samsung and Nexus phones pretty ugly. Curves may be nice in use but they look shit much of the time, an old Hyundia accent or Micra is proof of that.

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You're using 3G phones as an example. This has LTE.

Real world figures depend on reception quality.

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It's quite small for a tomb stone.....

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Seems promising...

...and even if 2/3rd of the promised 70k apps turn out to be non-native/ebook/whatever it's still more than enough to cover ~99% of the immediate needs of their users.

Important thing is to get it into as many hands as possible, to gain traction and follow-up with an updated handset by Christmas so it won't be left behind again.

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"Promised to show up"

....right, just like RI-*cough*-Blackberry was in "negotiations with Netflix"....TWO WHOLE YEARS ago? And still no Netflix. And their Android layer is incapable of running Android's Netflix (along with a host of other useful Android apps).

They really haven't learned anything from Apple on how to do a launch properly. The first device is out in Canada next week but the US doesn't get it until...late March? And the Playbook doesn't get the update until...maybe late February at the earliest? Not an Apple fanboy by any measure but on launch day ALL of the above happens at the same time, across all their supported platforms.

Once again it sounds like they are seriously rushing to get something out to market.

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Re: "Promised to show up"

I suspect the launch timing is dictated more by carriers than by RIM. If all the US carriers haven't completed acceptance testing and finished all the junk apps they will preload on the device then they have to wait. They won't want to annoy some carriers by allowing one or two to have earlier release dates.

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Re: "Promised to show up"

"Once again it sounds like they are seriously rushing to get something out to market."

Hardly rushing...BB10 was supposed to be out 1 year ago. Just more crappy marketing by BB.

Never really pushed the PlayBook when it first came out. No real mention of it today either...just more of the same from them.

And STILL no decent PB applications in their store...yet.

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WTF?

This is a sad day indeed. Another company showing it's politically correct nature, not wanting to offend it's userbase. Why can't their users stand proud and pronouce that they are happy to be RIMmed on a daily basis.

What is the world coming too...

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So... When is Apple suing for round corners on a rectangle? When it becomes competition?

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Yup, they'll wait until a few million are sold so that they can ask for a few billion in irreparable damages.

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lol

Quick change the deck chairs on the titanic approach is not going to fool anybody and if anything distracts from there product launch. Still have same shite middle managment fuggerling things up

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Re: lol

The company is profitable and still popular in business where BB excel.

They have suffered the same problem as Microsoft did, took a bit too long to launch a new OS but what they have launched is good.

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That sounds a bit like OS/2 to me. Yes it probably was the best operating system available at the time, but where is it now?

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In summary

It has LTE (which few people have) but us twice the price of a nexus4, much worse specs and a dire app store

I can't see this setting the alight.

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"It has LTE (which few people have)"

I presume you mean few people other than all of the major players like Apple, Samsung, Nokia and HTC who all have LTE?

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Re: In summary

Or he means few people as in "why pay £30 to EE for a sim-only, low data limit LTE contract when the same £30 to 3 gets you a SGS3 with unlimited data on hspa+".

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I'm liking what I see so far, and, as a proud Canadian, I hope this thing kicks some ass and becomes a viable competitor.

Small niggle #1 - if you want to view the launch video from blackberry.com, you get redirected to tremolo.edgesuite.com, where the 'desktop_dvr' page complains that 'your mobile device is not supported' (using Firefox in Win7, at least - haven't tried on an actual mobile device.)

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"I'm liking what I see so far, and, as a proud Canadian"

Come on, even as a proud Canadian they'd have to add an internal maple syrup bottle to push you into buying into this surely? RIM were amazing back in the day with the jog wheel, push email and high res grey scale screens but now unfortunately they have nothing but the looming threat of obsolescence and bankruptcy.

Having said that, if they made a new device with the jog wheel and wide screen even I may consider them for a work phone :)

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Proud Canadian?

Sorry, I used to work for Nortel.

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Don't worry, weary hacks, you can continue to use the RIM BlackBerry gimmick for as long as, well, All! Of! Your! Other! Gimmicks!, bitch.

We wouldn't want it any other way.

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Wow

Nice spec. Things like removable battery and MicroSD are awesome in a high-end phone. And is that now the highest pixel density in the world?

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" Things like removable battery and MicroSD are awesome in a high-end phone"

yeah, up to 48GB storage FTW.

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Some phones (will) have Full HD 1920x1080 on a 5" screen - 441ppi

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You mean compared to the more expensive Nexus 4's 8GB, yes, it's FTW.

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In all, I rather expect it will bump Windows Phone to #4. I wouldn't actually take a money bet on that, but.... It has a much better interface due to its borrowing all of the good ideas from WebOS. It does have that Android compatibility layer and as a result will go to market with a much bigger app store. As stated in another comment Blackberry hardware is generally very good. There is still a fan base for Blackberry.

I haven't bothered to look at the new API. Hopefully folks writing native apps will get to deal with a much better API than the Charlie Foxtrot the old API had become.

I'll stop in a store to give one a try when they are released (just like I did with the Torch), but I'll stick with my Droid.

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Hopefully they sorted this! :-/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqTFa6j9QNE

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I hope they make it

I'm not likely to leave the Android camp any time soon, but I'd like for them to become a credible third player. Or fourth, if Nokia survive.

Let's get some proper competition going again. And less of the ridiculous trench warfare between the two current combatants.

Fingers crossed icon?

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Re: I hope they make it

It won't affect Androids' market share a jot, but I think it'll take a hearty helping of Apples lunch and certainly keep Win8's anonymous entry in the "1% others" section of all the market share charts for the coming year.

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Re: I hope they make it

WP8 already overtook RIm in sales and is #3 - with sales still climbing steeply.....

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Re: I hope they make it

For sure. Blackberry is still fairly embedded in enterprise and I think this is now the natural upgrade path for those firms. Apple will have a tougher time getting traction there.

To be honest, I like the look of this phone. I'd be delighted if my employer decided to upgrade me to it.

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It looks like some rimmer is downvoting people who don't like blackberries

Just saying.

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Re: It looks like some rimmer is downvoting people who don't like blackberries

Probably used to work at Nortel or maybe Palm - maybe just a canadian thang :).

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All looks very nice to me

I like the styling of it, as far as it goes. On the face of it the OS looks pretty good, they certainly seem to have made a real effort to make sure it can stand comparison with what else is out there, and there's a couple of really nice features - if Balance is implemented well I can see that helping them regain some ground in enterprise. The review at Crackberry is extremely positive (although you might expect a positive approach from them, and battery life looks like it may be questionable). Well done RIMBlackberry.

But....

There's nothing compelling there, at least for me. Like many others I'm already invested in a platform (literally - some of us Android users pay for stuff too, you know!) and I don't see anything in what they've announced that will make me inclined to switch when I next update my phone, and I can see that being a major problem for them.

I hope this does ok, competition is great, but I'm not convinced.

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Angry Birds not available?

Well that's a deal-breaker right there...

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Palm Treo Directors cut in 3D

So many comparisions to Palm and there lovely treo phones, that ended well. But company on last legs - CHECK, Canadian - CHECK, new OS and phones - CHECK. WHo will play the part of HP for RIMberry is unsure at this stage. But calling it now.

Still nice phones and OS, but the same was said of Palm and that ended up well.

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There's no competition

At least not in the european manager's mind...

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/30/3931942/six-years-later-rim-still-wont-acknowledge-the-iphone

:D

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Can it do full 2-way call recording?

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Nice to see some objectivity

...from Andrew as always...the usual suspects like Engadget can't see past their iPhones and Nexus 4s. To be fair they didn't totally slate BB10 but they made the classic populist mistake of simply measuring up against the competition / their favourite handsets when this system (as far as I can see) offers a much more powerful way of working (actual useful multi-tasking anyone, unified inboxes?)., with all these features completely brushed over by the other tech press, which completely missed the point.

Remains to new seen if the public think these features are worth having, but in my view they don't know what they are missing...I use webOS and Meego and really like actual multi tasking instead of psuedo multitasking tombstoning which feels a bit crap once you know what true MT feels like. Plus webOS and Windows Phone offer excellent integration with services, pulling in everything for you straight from the OS instead of half-baked apps. You just don't get this on Android or iOS (unless you purely use Google services on your Android...).

BB10 seems to offer both these features so I wish them well, looks like a really nice system.

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Re: Nice to see some objectivity

The fact is, the media coverage will be like this:

Tech Media: Bum iOS/Android until the cows come home and always compare negatively.

General Press/TV: Give it a slight positive slant and compare the new platform to how it's previous handsets did.

Joe Public: Word of mouth will be more important in encouraging more people to buy into Blackberry products.

I personally think Blackberry have readjusted themselves well and actually now have a clear target audience to sell to. Managed to pull all the major app developers and beyond onboard. It's not going to be slow to take off and taking a brave step to invest in a rock solid architechure shows entrepreneurial skills required to fight in this business. Apple did the same when reviving the smartphone. I'm hoping Blackberry can continue WebOS' good work and have spun their development around that influence of fluid multitasking. It's certainly making me think about coming away from my beloved iPhone 4 (not because I dislike iOS - just need something to make my work/personal life management easier). iPhone 5 has a crappy cheap design, Android phones I'll never touch again after my horrid experiences and Windows can keep shooting themselves in the foot by not convincing me their phones are for my target group.

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I agree with your comments about the media - from what I heard yesterday (the video stream didn't show the audience once started) , they managed to get the cast of some zombie movie in a between-takes moment. I've heard more more emotion at a Lib-Dem party political broadcast. Mind you, the opening shot of the press in the front row with their Apple laptops should have forewarned me. Maybe the poor luvvies were uncomfortable to see that perhaps someone might start to challenge Apple.. but we'll see.

As regards "strong carrier support for BlackBerry", I don't know if I'm looking at a different set of carriers, but I still see the Blackberry Curves etc being pushed on web sites. Considering it's allegedly launched today in the UK I'd say someone's missing a trick here..

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As regards "strong carrier support for BlackBerry", I don't know if I'm looking at a different set of carriers, but I still see the Blackberry Curves etc being pushed on web sites. Considering it's allegedly launched today in the UK I'd say someone's missing a trick here..

I think you're right Flywheel. UK carriers are very slowly pushing the phone:

- Vodafone has it on their frontpage to order

- EE is still not showing it anywhere on the frontpage but are now selling it (weirdly, T-Mobile and Orange who aren't the 4G brand under the same umbrella are pushing it more)

- Three are showing nothing

- O2 are battling for business by plastering it on their front page

Maybe Blackberry haven't been strict enough from removing their old stock and carriers still wish to sell them until all gone. As you say, that could be a big mistake.

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I think the limited availability of LTE and the expense of EE's service in the UK is probably keeping away the two biggest sectors of the BB market (Suits and Da Youf), which is probably why they're not pushing it very hard.

It might get onto the front page in six months when the coverage is better and businesses think about using the network, but that will very much depend on whether or not it shows signs of taking off.

To keep in with El Reg's tradition of providing anecdotal evidence in the comments, I'd just like to say that so far no one I know is planning on getting one. Those with Blackberrys at the moment have decided they're not impressed and are off to Android or Apple, those who had Blackberrys are not coming back because they can't see any advantage over their current smartphone.

And the appointment of Alicia Keys as Creative Director just makes them look like one of those stuffy politicians trying desperately to look cool by saying they're into whatever the current hot singer/group is.

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After ditching RIM they were going to call themselves SpitRoast...

...but the domain name had already gone. So I am told.

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Re: After ditching RIM they were going to call themselves SpitRoast...

I hear they're collaborating with LG and E-ten on their next device.

The Blackberry Chocolate Starfiish.

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I seem to remember?

A reasonable selling point of RIM was the security and privacy - how's that going? And judging by the article I also don't see any end to the "headline pun filth" either:-

Blackberry?

Front buttons?

Trouser pocket?

Stupidity aside - good luck to them! I might even read a review...

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Was a rebrand necessesary?

I was hoping theyd just do a Dick Smith-style piss-taking advertisment, playing on the smuttier aspects of the acronym "RIM":

- I've been waiting years to get RIMmed again!

-My girlfriend is RIMming me for my birthday!

or even just job advertising application - RIMjobs, perhaps?

Back to the phone though, I'd like to see it take a piece of the market, competition is always a good thing, and whilst they're not for everyone (including myself), Blackberry, whilst not good at everything, seem to be focusing on doing a few things well.

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So it's a mobile phone...

But what makes the fruit machine and the robot toys interesting are the 3rd party apps. It'll be interesting to see how many developers jump on board and whether the best apps get ported. Or maybe RIMs target will be the corporates who typically hate 3rd party apps 'cos of "security issues".

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