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Labour's health spokeswoman Diane Abbott will today warn that Britain's culture is "increasingly pornified" and hyper-sexualises adolescents. The shadow minister reckons today's technology - specifically, the proliferation of internet connectivity and cameras in every phone - damages British teens and society. That bullies can …

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Parents are responsible for censoring the web.

Why haven't they turned on protections such as a blocker at the carrier level?

There are numerous solutions available, but parents haven't got a clue!

They are solely to blame.

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@Obviously! ?

How do parents turn on "carrier level" blocking on their children's iPhones?

PS: Carrier level means the carrier does the blocking.

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Carrier level blocking

...is a very very bad thing, because it is so easily and readily abused by crooked ISPs and corrupt Governments.

If you want to filter content, do it on your own equipment in your own home.

Otherwise agree completely; it is a question of parental responsibility.

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She's probably right but

She's probably right but who the hell is going to take any notice?

Would you listen to a bunch of MP's that spent years with their snouts in the trough and tried desperately to prevent the publication of their expenses, not to mention the MP's who tried to find 'work arounds' directly after the scandal to continue to fleece the tax payer by renting houses from each other and claiming expenses from them?

It is up to parents to resolve this issue ( I'm one ) and not for the Government to nanny me over it. Yes there are parents who have no idea or don't care, the majority do though and I for one won't be dictated to by a bunch of thieves.

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carrier blocking is terrible...

I had it on my mobile, I went to access a story site... instead of sending me there, it redirected me to THEIR offering of porn.... very very bad form I thought....

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Re: @Obviously! ?

Why does a "child" need a smartphone?

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@Lars G Re: She's probably right but

Your comment should be read aloud to every MP who 'moralises' in public.

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Re: Carrier level blocking

"If you want to filter content, do it on your own equipment in your own home."

Still doesn't stop little Timmy pulling out his smart phone and browsing porn via 3G

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Re: @Obviously! ?

"Why does a "child" need a smartphone?"

I've wondered why they need phones in the first place, smart or otherwise.

Some parents argue that their kid needs to be contactable, but that should be done like it always has been, via the school.

And if your child really really needs one (you live in the middle of nowhere, little Timmy walks home, etc) then give them a dumb one, just for those occasions where they can't be reached.

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Re: Carrier level blocking

It certainly doesn't!

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Re: @Obviously! ?

Agree they don't. Mostly for status, "my daddy is richer than yours".

Even if they don't know how to use much of it (yet).

However, really hard to get one without a camera now, and SMS is near-universal.

Might be useful if you want to track them, but that's a whole other kettle.

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I find it ironic that the person who talks about a sexualised Britain is the same person who kills my boner every time.

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Jack

You sound like part of the problem pal.

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Always the same. Remember Mary Whitehouse? Victoria Gillick?

Melted wellies. About as much good as Lady Gaga.

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I am not a fan of Diane Abbott at all, and would be happy never to see the name again. But this entire article is one mad non sequitur after another.

"Active web-filtering has already been sort of introduced in the UK"

No it hasn't. At least if the story at The Reg linked to is to be believed.

"...but largely resisted."

Eh?

"Abbott thinks there's something wrong with teenage boys learning about sex from hardcore porn"

Maybe there is?

"but she doesn't offer ways for them to change any subsequent damaging behaviour."

Perhaps ceasing to use Anal Midget Adventures Vol.3 as educational material is all that's needed. It's hard to tell what Abbott is really saying, because the writer here is so keen to tell us not to listen to her.

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"No it hasn't. At least if the story at The Reg linked to is to be believed."

TalkTalk does active filtering; other ISPs have been pressured to bundle filtering with new connections.

"Eh?"

Largely resisted by ISPs and parents. I've had another stab at that par to spell everything out for you.

C.

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Source of educational material?

> Perhaps ceasing to use Anal Midget Adventures Vol.3 as educational material is all that's needed. It's hard to tell what Abbott is really saying, because the writer here is so keen to tell us not to listen to her ..

They won't need to purchase Vol.3, a sizeable number of them out there are into making their own porn and distributing it online - for free. As for what's offered for sale, it isn't the porn your Daddy used to watch, some seriously disturbed stuff out there on the Intertubes.

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Re: Source of educational material?

"some seriously disturbed stuff out there on the Intertubes."

Where????

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Re: Source of educational material?

You can do your own looking, sunshine.

I've seen enough examples of relatively ordinary, one man, one woman, sexual activity, that is presented in an intensely misogynistic manner, that I really do worry. And if you cannot spot that, you;re the one with a problem.

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Just America?

Because we are the only people country that makes nasty porn? You have got to be kidding.

I have to agree that kids are being over-sexualized. If you are buying high heels for your six year old, or a motorcycle jacket for your toddler boy you have issues and you are giving them to your children you have issues. But blaming this solely on the US is just buck passing. This is a world problem.

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Re: Just America?

Sorry what is wrong with a biker jacket for a toddler?

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Re: Just America?

Darn it buy me one, I miss my old super-heavy old-school one that I offloaded, crashed in it a few times, it barely noticed. ;)

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As the father of a teenage daughter...

I hope I have educated her well enough to realise that anything she posts online, or texts / emails could come back to bite her, possibly years from now.

Whether other parents take such actions seems to be the problem.

Education begins at home!

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Re: As the father of a teenage daughter...

Why should anybody be haunted by nudity exposed online? Elimination of certain tabus may not be the only solution, but it is certainly an important part. Just speaking about the education of future generations ...

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Re: As the father of a teenage daughter...

It's not nudity that's the problem, it's how porn depicts sex. It's just weird and wrong, in a technical way more than anything else. No-one has sex like that unless they employ prostitutes or are making their own films. It's like attempting to drive to work when your only experience/training has been on the race track. If young people think sex is like a porn film they will have problems when it comes to reality and relationships. Porn isn't too bad so long as it isn't used in an educational way, in other words children need to know what reality is before seeing fantasy. (Like trying to live your life based on video games.)

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Not impressed.

"In her speech, she will say that there's something wrong with "padded bras, thongs and high-heeled shoes" being marketed to younger children and although she has a point, it is uncomfortably close to the argument that the way women dress invites aggressive sexual attention."

No, I'm not having that. Dressing a per-pubescent girl with no sex drive whatsoever in clothes mimicking those of post-pubescent girls and women with a definite sex drive is a twisted concept from the get-go. Actively marketing these clothes to the former group is as ethical as marketing cigarettes to the same age group.

Conflating sexual attention (which few would argue is the purpose of padded bras and low-cut tops) with *aggressive* sexual attention is also a pretty cheap trick to pull.

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Re: Not impressed.

Well said - where has childhood gone?

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Relax...

Relax Diane, luv. Trust me, you're in absolutely *NO* danger of being affected by this...

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Well I would

I think Diane A's kind of sexy.

I think her politics stink but I imagine she'd have her mou** (cont. page 69)

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Get it all out in the open

The basic problem with sex, skin, sexual content, sexting etc. is that it IS considered "nasty" or "dirty" or "shameful" and it's impossible to have a mature discussion about it. Just look at the way the media deals with smut: on TV it must be post-watershed so the little darlings can't be "perverted" by the sight of something half the population has or worse: the sight of two people using their bodies in ways that might lead to embarrassing questions of their parents.

The tabloid press is even worse in their hypocrisy. On the one hand going to great lengths to seek out unintended photos and on the other lambasting those who don't fall into a narrow category of what's considered "normal" behaviour by the prudish readers and the professionally angry journalists.

We are brought up (for better or worse) in an environment where violent death is on the screen nightly (and even during the day) and few ever complain: probably because they've given up complaining. Yet the wrong piece of skin on the wrong channel at the wrong time causes ructions amongst the regulators and those who's hobby seems to be getting aroused apoplectic about nudity.

What's the answer? short of banning clothes during the summer when it's warm enough, I can't think of a way to get past the entrenched opinions.

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The MP ain't talking about what's on tv. She's talking about the kind of material available on the internet which noone in their right mind would suggest is suitable for young teens.

It's on thing to develop an understanding of adult sexual relationships without Victorian prudish hangups, it's quite another to learn and mimic it based on hardcore internet porn.

This is besides the very real problem the MP mentions about bullying and sexual exploitation of young girls through sexting and picture phones etc.

Either we all come to an agreement as a society about some way of restricting access (without restricting freedoms or inviting unnecessary government controls) or we accept a new reality of youngsters being oversexualised and sexually objectified. We can no longer pass the buck by saying it's parents responsibility alone (many of whom don't even understand the issue or don't know the problem exists) any more than we can claim underage smoking or underage drinking isn't a societal problem that requires a societal solution.

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It's bad ... because it's bad.

> The MP ain't talking about what's on tv. She's talking about the kind of material available on the internet which noone in their right mind would suggest is suitable for young teens.

Completely agree. However the basic problem is that the whole topic is marginalised or taboo. Until it's possible to debate the subject unemotionally and with no sniggering at the back, it will not be possible to address the root cause, which is the taboo nature of the topic.

In that respect, it shares the same properties as discussions about drugs. Because hard drugs are illegal, society cannot (or will not) address the problems that drugs cause. All that happens is the discussion always comes back to " ... because they're illegal". At which point no progress can be made in helping the victims or destigmatising those at the unfortunate end of the problem.

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Hardly the scientific approach is it?

What exactly does the term "pornification" actually mean? Is there some kind of scale for measuring pornification? Perhaps something in boners, milliboners and PSBs (porn star boners) might make acceptable units?

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Re: Hardly the scientific approach is it?

Well you could look at the teenage pregnancy statistics for the last 20 years to see how much impact t'Internet has had and you will see it is terrible!

Actually, no, it has dropped slightly in the last few years. Kind of puts a dampener on all of this Pornogeddon "think of the children" rhetoric we hear from DM reading politicians. But since when has fact-based policy been used by either party?

<= Our esteemed leaders.

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Re: Hardly the scientific approach is it?

>Well you could look at the teenage pregnancy statistics for the last 20 years

Might be more relevant to look at the STI stats - anyone out there with a medically informed opinion?

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Re: Hardly the scientific approach is it?

I have a very vague memory of reading somewhere that the teenage pregnancy stats falling was being linked to the teenagers watching porn and following the industry standard approach of hosing down the recipient externally rather than depositing the little swimmers in the dark.

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Re: Hardly the scientific approach is it?

From my distant memories of being a teenager, I doubt I could have held out long enough to "hose down the recipient"!

Really, if anything should be done about pr0n it would be to have more safe-sex practice on show and to do more about the women getting their way. Alas, AC don't get the choice of the gimp-mask icon!

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Re: Hardly the scientific approach is it?

It's not a real verb.

It's just meant to push peoples buttons by sounding bad, while not having any actual meaning.

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"Revolution" in sex education

Is that teaching them about anal, or 69?

S'pose it depend on which axis the revolution is happening.

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Re: "Revolution" in sex education

S'pose it depend on which axis the revolution is happening.

I once tried revolving about more than one axis and ended up with a locked gimbal...

Try explaining that to the A&E doctor!

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Bravo

That's unusually interesting and insightful comment for the reg :)

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That Diane Abbott...

basically the female equivalent of disgraced ex Europe Minister Keth Vaz. (However in my heart of hearts I think she might have some scruples).

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female equivalent of Keth Vaz.

Damn that's stingingly harsh! But true!

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Re: That Diane Abbott...

As bad as Vaz - methinks you are exaggerating somewhat. Vaz's ability to grandstand while stealing from his constituents and his country, at the same time as indulging in dodgy deals with foreign nationals is surely far more developed than anything Abbot has done.... He makes Teflon Tony look positively filthy (and Tony had the good grace to destroy his expenses amongst other things before they could be viewed).

So Keith, where did all those accounts and mortgages get serviced from?

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Re: That Diane Abbott...

Hey, I know where you're coming from, but coming from an unenlightened Leicester based educational establishment during the eighties, (not the university - but the other one with really quite good computer equipment for the time - which is why I went there), I can only say that the Vaz was as a sour disappointment then as he is now. However I do despair at people, (or this case persons), trying to emulate his conduct.

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Re: That Diane Abbott...

ps

No he didn't do computing, but he had a major influence - for some reason - over local politics at that time.

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> I think she might have some scruples

I used to watch that politics thing on the BBC late at night. She was a regular on there.

If she truly has any scruples, she hides them well...

Vic.

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On Radio 5 Today ....

Dianne Abbot said that some young men now prefer anal sex as they think pubic hair is disgusting.

She got told off :D

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