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Microsoft has updated its Mac OS X mobile software so that owners of new Windows Phone 8 handsets can synchronise music and photos with their Apple computers consistently. An update for the Windows Phone client for Macs appeared on the Apple App Store on 31 October, but while Windows Phone 7.5 devices continued to sync up just …

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Surprising choice

I would have assumed that any Mac owner would have wanted a phone by Apple

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Re: Surprising choice

I don't believe the majority of Mac owners are fanbois any more than Windows users are. Although it's fair to assume Mac owners are the demographic who favour iPhone the most.

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Re: Surprising choice

Whatever works, I had Sony Ericcsons which worked fine with OSX up until the M600i which didn't at all, then Palm Pre and HTC Desire.

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Re: Surprising choice

"I don't believe the majority of Mac owners are fanbois any more than Windows users are."

lol try meeting them

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Re: Surprising choice

I am writing this on a MacBook Pro; which is my main computer.

I have a HP ML115 running FreeNas, another HP ML115 running Windows 7, and a Dell PowerEdge 2900 which I plan to set up as another FreeNas Server.

A computer is a tool; and I try to use the "right" tool for the job.

Does this make me a Mac owner who is not a fanboy?

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No - it makes you too difficult for the hard-of-thinking to classify, and thus, unrepresentative.

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Not really - I would actually consider a new windows phone because I quite like the look of the interface, and I don't have much use for apps over and above core functionality. But the overriding criteria is that I must be able to easily and quickly back it up, and sync it with the data I want. Naturally the iPhone is best for this. We all have them at home, because going all-Apple has cut my home IT support duties down from dozens if not hundreds of hours a year to a handful - especially when things go wrong and a file goes missing or a phone appears to lose something. The worst that seems to happen these days is iOS losing appointments out of the calendar. This is actually pretty serious, but it's the only negative that seems to be affecting us right now.

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Re: Surprising choice

I like the Mac OS. When I got my Mac the Windows world was still on Vista. Windows 7 is good and I'd consider using it on a laptop. But with Windows 8 I'm firmly back on the OSX wagon for future purchases.

As for the WP8 connector, it isn't Microsoft's fault when it comes to drag n drop or mounting of the phone. Apple doesn't support MTP which is a media device filesystem abstraction protocol to allow OSes to mount media players without needing to support the underlying filesystem.

MTP is a USB standard, so why they don't support I don't know.

Android uses it too.

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What a strange assumption. Phones cater to very individual needs. I for one have been using Macs since the late 90s, both privately and professionally, and have always been served well by Nokia, was disappointed by SonyEricsson and somewhat bewildered by Motorola. Up until now, Apple never managed to come out with a phone that was even remotely interesting to me.

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Finally!

I'm sure both of the people affected by this problem will be relieved..

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Meh

Re: Finally!

They're probably the same two people who run Safari on Windows.

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Re: Finally!

More widely, it's irritating to have to use software on any host computer in order to talk to a device, at least for the basic 'storage' tasks. I've had to download some Sony software (though there's probably an alternative) to transfer files from my mate's Mac to my Android Xperia phone - which then works but slowly.

One reason why I have never considered owning an iPod is because I like MSC.

And now we have this SDXC cards with exFAT- camera likes it, newer Windows likes it, other systems needsome persuasion... some systems insist on 'safe removal', others get upset if the card ISN'T just yanked out and requiring a trip to device manager to uninstall then reinstall to get it working again... It's all doable, but not as smooth as it should be.

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Re: Finally!

I can't believe there are that many people who run Safari on Windows.

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I wonder...

...how many people this would actually affect.... double figures maybe?

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Question

It's actually quite difficult to imagine that anyone would own a Mac and a Windows Moble Phone...

I don't own an iPhone so I can't answer the following question.

Is there something that can be done on a WM8 or WM9 that can't be done on an iPhone ? I am thinking along the lines of MS Exchange/Outlook or MS Office ?

[ It's a serious question ]

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The obvious answer is people who got one from work, not that I've heard of any workplaces handing them out.

(Nokia and MS would probably be in there though.)

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Is there something that can be done on a WM8 or WM9 that can't be done on an iPhone ? I am thinking along the lines of MS Exchange/Outlook or MS Office ?

Office comes baked-in, except for (I believe) Access. But Access is foul anyway.

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Re: Question

Can't edit post awaiting moderation, so apologies for double-posting.

It just occurred to me that even though WP doesn't support Access, neither does does Office for Mac.

So no real loss to Mac users there.

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The question is not why a Mac user would want a windows phone, its why would anyone want a windows phone. As hinted at by S4qFBxkFFg, vast majority of users will have the devices inflicted upon them by work, although no company im aware of would touch it.

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Re: Question

The iPhone mail app talks quite happily to Exchange, there are apps that view and edit Office documents so about the only thing missing is XBox Live gaming (which is similar to Apple's 'Game Center' in what it offers).

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WM8 and WM9???

"Is there something that can be done on a WM8 or WM9 that can't be done on an iPhone ?"

I don't know what you mean with 'WM8' and 'WM9' (As you're probably not talking about Windows Media 8 and 9 formats I guess you mean 'Windows Mobile' but the last version of that one is 6.5). I assume you really meant to say 'Windows Phone' (which is what has replaced WM several years ago) but there is only WP 7 (which includes 7.5 and 7.8) and WP 8.

As to your question: WP8 is supposed to have very good integration into corporate AD (Active Directory) infrastructures. This aside, they all come with Nokia Maps which is better than Google Maps and beats the crap out of Apple's mapping solution, and at least with Nokia you get better cameras.

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Re: Question

>the only thing missing is XBox Live gaming

I don't know what functionality that provides, but some XBOX functionality is already offered to Android and iOS devices through MS's 'XBOX SmartGlass' app.

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Re: Question

>>It's actually quite difficult to imagine that anyone would own a Mac and a Windows Moble Phone...

Not really, it's pretty easy to imagine. Hard to believe maybe is what you meant.

Although I own a Mac and a Windows phone. And an iPad and a Windows desktop with Cygwin installed. And a Kindle.

I hope that didn't stretch your imagination too far.

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Re: Fashion statement

Beauty may well be in the eye of the beholder, but Windows Phone 8 is gorgeous. Just a bit lacking in admirers still, unlike Paris.

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Re: Fashion statement

Where do you get the idea that the Mac is at all locked down? There's a default trust level that stops it running unsigned code, but that's something the user can override quite easily and there's no restrictions on developers (or users) getting a key.

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Re: Fashion statement

I have a mac but its not in the least stylish - its a few years old so its completely unfashionable now - it looks like shit according to this years fashion mode. That's the whole point of style - it means fuck all - even the iPhone5 looks shit now to those that think style is important judging from its sales figures.

We need the iPhone6 now!!!

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Re: Fashion statement

A Mac is not a locked down devil of a box?

It finds windows shares better than Windows can

It runs bash and a whole raft of Open source utilities.

I can install applications such as firefox, thunderbird and a whole load more just be downloading and running the the .DMG file

So why is that locked down? If it was locked down then I wouldn't be able to do this sort of thing.

I use mine mostly for Photoshop & Lightroom. These tools run (IMHO) considerably better on a Mac/OSX combo than the Windows versions.

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Re: Fashion statement

There seems to be a lot of misinformation as to how locked down a mac is. I had someone in a webchat try to tell me the other day that Macs were prevented from running other web browsers.

I was talking to him through Firefox for mac at the time.

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Re: Fashion statement

I'm happy with my mac (been a user for 8 years now). I do still prefer Adobe Audition for audio editing though, not a fan of soundbooth (in fact, it's bloody awful), I support Windows networks and accessing Citrix on a mac is a pain in the backside (oh, and logmein are incapable of writing a stable plugin for any mac browser) so an XP VM is, to me, 10gb of disk space well used (and with a 500gb drive I'm not worried).

If WP8 is as hard to use as that metro thing on a desktop Windows 8, I'd run a mile - currently arguing with a vendor about getting a PC licensed to downgrade to windows 7 and them doing the licensing wrong (I've seen 1 windows 8 machine, that when it got its network settings in a pickle was quicker and easier to rebuild the machine with windows 7 again). Even the owner's Microsoft partner of an exchange provider couldn't get the W8 integrating with his email like it's supposed to be able to.

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Re: Fashion statement

@Eadon

Someone coming to Linux from having used a Mac will probably have an easier time than someone who had previously only used Windows. The way that OSX asks for the admin password to protect itself, for example, or the way that packages are installed. Then you have ZFS-style Logical Volume Management...

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Re: Fashion statement

The Nokia 920 is a nice design. It's not quite iPhone "beautiful" but then the iPhone 5 is not durable and some of us like a choice of colours.

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Microsoft ends Mac users' Windows Phone 8 misery

Scraps windows 8 phones offers an iphone or android replacement.

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Re: Microsoft ends Mac users' Windows Phone 8 misery

Yes, because we all like duopoly don't we?

Just like Republican and Democrat or Tories and Labour. What a great choice.

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Re: Microsoft ends Mac users' Windows Phone 8 misery

"Yes, because we all like duopoly don't we?"

Just like the desktop - oh wait

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Terminator

From the headline, did anyone else think...

...that MS just took them outside and shot them?

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microsoft need to learn to be more evil and format the mac when connected to it like any sensible device.

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The phone would need to know the admin password to do that. And even that did work, the user would just reinstall the latest TimeMachine image whilst making a cup of tea.

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And meanwhile

I just plug my phone into any computer via USB and it just shows up as a drive. I can use sync software if I want of my choosing or I can just drag and drop stuff through the desktop.

These monolithic lumps of bloatware that act as gatekeepers to a device really need to die.

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Re: And meanwhile

Yeah, you can do that with Windows Phone 8, the sync tool is just that, a tool to help you sync the phone.

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Re: And meanwhile

Alas, Android phones don't work as Mass Storage Class devices anymore.

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MTP has advantages. You can design an MP3 player that uses EXT3 for its filesystem but since it supports MTP it will mount on any OS that supports MTP. The OS wouldn't need to know anything about EXT3.

Sadly, since OSX doesn't support it the usefulness is severely limited.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol

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Alas, Android phones don't work as Mass Storage Class devices anymore.

They do if you have root and make a quick change in a terminal emulator. Most people would prefer MTP instead though. I do think it should be an option that doesn't require root access, but that would probably confuse most people. Then again, they could always just throw that in an "Advanced" section.

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Re: And meanwhile

I don't like MTP at all (stuff like copying multiple files at once is limited or absent), but I suspect it's used to abstract away the device's storage format from the view of it that you see in a computer. So the tablet may be formatted with ext4 yet it still works with Windows.

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To be fare

I think it's just a case of tit-for-tat over iTunes on windows for it's first few (haha...) iterations.

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Lockdown!

It's pretty clear that the only people who really know anything about macs are those people who actually owned or owned one. Is this stating the obvious? Because an awful lot of people who have clearly never even considered buying one have some pretty weird ideas about what they can do and how they work. All I can say is - YOU WEREN'T THERE, MAN. You don't KNOW!

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WOW

that looks like the mother of all DOUCHE

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Mac users with Windows 8 phones?

Wow, you mean, all 3 of them?

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Re: Mac users with Windows 8 phones?

I think they are referring to the the Windows QA testers.

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