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Hewlett-Packard has stayed at the top of the PC industry, fending off competition from Lenovo to remain the biggest PC vendor in the world with 16.2 percent market share. But the industry as a whole is shrinking, and new stats from research firm Gartner confirm the gloomy prognosis from IHS last week. Dell performed badly, with …

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Phablet?

Ok, I give in, WTF is a phablet?

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Re: Phablet?

It is BS Marketing speak for a large phone like a galaxy note. Likely to be used with other "words" like monetize, Paradigm shift...

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Re: Phablet?

phablet: Phone + tablet. A device too small to be a useful tablet, and too big to be a convenient phone.

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Re: windows 8 came out, sales fell 26%

Why spend thousands on a Rolls Royce when all you need is a bicycle?

For a lot of home consumers, they just want to be able to read the odd email, browse the web and do a few other, basic, tasks. Maybe some games, which there are plenty for tablets. A tablet does this job fine, and with the advent of smartphones, a lot are now used to typing on a touchscreen.

Not everybody is a touch typist, and seek-and-peck typing isn't impaired greatly by an on-screen keyboard.

So I think it's less to do with Windows 8 per se, and more to do with people actually finding what they need in a computer. The netbook was just part of this transition — people didn't want a big monstrosity, and these smaller computers, both cheaper and smaller, did the job.

That said, I do think Microsoft have somewhat lost the plot with each new release of Windows. The Windows 95/NT4 UI to my mind was fine. Windows 2000/ME stuffed up what was known as Network Neighbourhood with the, IMO, less usable, "My Network Places". Windows XP stuffed up the Start menu with this monstrosity that hides most of your applications in this little submenu called "All Applications", then Windows Vista made it worse by compacting that menu into this little clostrophobic scrolling menu that doesn't open out. Windows 7 layed down the lid on the coffin by throwing out the classic mode start menu, and Windows 8 nails the coffin shut with its rather confused not-quite-mobile-but-not-quite-desktop user experience.

It's been one retrograde step after another as they re-arrange the deckchairs on this titanic of a platform.

It seems Microsoft was responsible for putting a PC on everybody's desk. It seems Microsoft will soon be responsible for taking the PC *off* everybody's desk.

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Re: windows 8 came out, sales fell 26%

"Is it because they are useful, or is it because they are Microsoft-free?"

What's the difference?

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Re: windows 8 came out, sales fell 26%

Exactly, the desktop OS is irrelevant. What do people use on the local OS? Office, maybe. Everything is online. If you have an OS that can open a browser and the occasional local file, you are good. XP is good enough for everyone.

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Re: windows 8 came out, sales fell 26%

As other commentards have noted, people buy what they need. The only place anyone cares about who makes the software is your mom's basement.

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Obvious

Pretty clear this would happen given the switch to mobiles, iPads, tablets and now 'phablets' - Lot more 'weazing' to be done

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360M is still a lot of PC's

90 million PCs per quarter works out to 360 million per year. I already have two of them, so I don't need to buy another until my second one gets so old it's useless, and the new models are enough better than my quad core i7 to be worth an upgrade.

The point is, they are still selling a lot of PCs, and the market is getting saturated. Unless the hardware makes a great leap forward, existing models are good enough for many people.

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Excuse me Reg - your talking cr4p

"it appears that people are buying tablets instead of replacing their PCs and"

Excuse me Reg, I know that without this push for ever new gadgets, you would have to layoff staff, and you may have lower your Webpage counts. But….! No, honestly, you can’t judge a market purely by the level of sales during a recession. All that tells you is the number of well off gadget addicts who have money or credit to burn. There’s still a whole army of PCs in people’s houses, and laptops being thrown about in kids bedrooms. The tablet thing is just hype! I just can seriously buy into one, just for the hell of believing media sites like you and market promo.

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Re: Excuse me Reg - your talking cr4p

In a recession, what are you going to buy - a £250 tablet, or a £500-£1000 PC?

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Re: Excuse me Reg - your talking cr4p

> In a recession, what are you going to buy - a £250 tablet, or a £500-£1000 PC?

Neither if it's just a plaything. Otherwise I'll buy the one that does the job I need it to. Why, what do you buy in a recession?

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Re: Excuse me Reg - your talking cr4p

Don't be obtuse, you know exactly what he was getting at. People have tightened their belts and have cut large bill items. They're happy to buy cheap tablets because it turns out that they didn't actually need a computer. Who would have guessed that you don't need a computer for doing emails and shopping online!

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Re: Excuse me Reg - your talking cr4p

I'm not being obtuse, you're just saying exactly what I did. If you only need a £250 tablet, why buy a £1000 computer, recession or not? Likewise, if you need £1500 of twin-head processing power then buying a £250 tablet because you've tightened your belt is just £250 wasted, since it won't do the job.

The only difference the recession makes is that people might buy fewer gadgets just for fun. That's going to affect sales of everything.

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Re: Excuse me Reg - your talking cr4p

Why, what do you buy in a recession?

Err, food, fuel and things around the house that needs mending. I don’t buy a monthly or quarterly stock of iPhones or iPads. I don’t dash out in an emergency to pick up a small tin of Desktop goodness, just for the hell of keeping up the image of being Technology affluent. This talk of PC sales being down, is like the talk they have about Tesco and Asda sales being down; and "poor old Morrisons, just made it 4th place."

Honestly, I build PCs, and despite my yearning to splash out and have CityLink drop off the latest Motherboard with USB3 as standard, I realize I still have the choice of ignoring the hype and keeping my feet firmly grounded in the real costly-world. Economies should not be built on PCs, tablets and computers: and people should be allowed the dignity to think – computers are not the be all and end all – worth-while quarterly investment the market men seem to want us to believe. [Dell going private sounds like a reality check gone right for once]

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Re: Excuse me Reg - your talking cr4p

What £250 tablet, it seems most people are buying iPads and the current version starts at £399 and tops out at £659. You can get a laptop that will do what most people want to do for £399.

I do have a cheap tablet, a Nexus 7 but I don't use it instead of a computer, I use it as well as. I could not do what I need to do with a tablet, even a much more expensive one. But I can do more if I have both.

If I wanted Windows 8 I'd have bought the upgrade, anything that can run 7 can run 8 since it's been optimized to run on crappy tablet hardware. The only people who are going to buy a new Windows 8 computer are people who had their old xp box die and need a new computer, or execs who want a new shiny touch screen ultra book to run their powerpoint.

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