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As the 2013 Consumer Electronics Shows (CES) wraps up in Las Vegas, we’re left to ponder whether it as was a good show this time round. In 2012, IT vendors, buoyed by Intel encouragement and marketing money, were keen to show off their first Ultrabooks. A year on, and the chip giant’s skinny laptop brand has largely failed to …

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The smartphone with a decent battery life on a is the star of the show for me. That it's waterproof is impressive but secondary.

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Waterproof means no user changeable battery.

I would consider it if they tell me up front how much a battery replacement will cost and how often it should be needed.

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The typo in the article made me laugh though...

"If you’re worried - not unreasonably - that the 4G support means the Z’s battery life will suck, Sony insisted you should be concerned"

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2013 marks 20 years of mobile ownership for me. In that time I've had over a dozen devices from Ericsson, Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, HTC and Apple, and yet I've *never* had to replace a mobile phone battery, despite having owned some phones for well over the realistic nominal phone lifespan of two years.

I'm amazed that people are still hung up on the fact that batteries need to be user-replaceable.

Sure, failure etc. (thanksfully rare) will necessitate a service call, but to me the convenience, packaging and cost advantages hugely outweigh this.

Apple and their iPhones have their faults, but chief among the things they're got right is proving the fact that factory-sealed batteries are not an impediment to adoption by most users. Before the iPhone there were few if any phones that didn't have replaceable batteries. It was just one of those accepted norms that were blown away.

Yes, there will be some users that demand flexibility (and I'm sure people will pipe up to say they absolutely definitely cannot live without n batteries to run their always-on,mission-critical cellular lifestyle), but much like rugged or dual-SIM devices, time has proved these are not really concerns that the majority share.

I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of people only take the battery out when they get the phone to install the SIM, or to do a hard reset if advised by mobile forum/customer service rep, not mentioning any names... /cough/Blackberry/cough/

The rise of practically onmipresent chargers (thanks to standardisation of connectors to two types- Micro USB and Apple) means that judidious topping up at home, work and in the car is all that is required for most people.

Flame away, desperately important multi-battery types :)

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Re: Waterproof means no user changeable battery.

"...standardisation of connectors to two types- Micro USB and Apple" - the standard here is Micro USB !

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@Wam

Well yes, but Apple are 'special' so get away with having their own proprietary connector. Hold on, make that TWO proprietary connectors.

As I said, special.

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Re: Waterproof means no user changeable battery.

Well, you are simply lucky. I have had to replace 3 batteries in the last 4 months. But then I don't think 2 years should be a lifespan; that is just wasteful.

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Re: Waterproof means no user changeable battery.

Two batteries and a wall charger has long been my preference with modern smartphones. Just replace the battery when getting low on juice - no need to remember to fish the phone from the wash bin to charge or find the dammed lead which you were sure was in the bedroom, but is now nowhere to be found.

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Dual SIM isn't important? I'll just go tell the billions of people in Africa, India and other similar locations that they don't need their 2 and 3 SIM phones.

Just because you don't need a replaceable battery or dual SIM phone doesn't mean the rest of the world doesn't either.

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@Irongut

I'm aware of the need for multi-SIM devices elsewhere, but we're talking high-end 1st world smartphones here, not low-end emerging market devices.

I'll happily admit that this market demands multi-SIM capability, but that's not really relevant to this device or to our market. How many multi-SIM devices are sold in the UK each year? <10,000?

Horses for courses.

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@ribosome

Wasteful it may be, but the subsidy market that has developed in the UK and elsewhere tends to drive people to a biannual upgrade, and the pace of technological change in such a mature market drives this as devices from even three years ago can start to feel very limiting.

Hence, very few keep phones for more than about 2 years.

We may not like it but there's little that will affect this result of marketing/technology in the short to medium term.

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Re: Waterproof means no user changeable battery.

I've once had to replace a battery on a 5 or 6-year old Nokia 3310. Other than that I have had a variety of Samsung, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, HTC, and some french brand I can't recall. Most of these continue to work after I've stopped using them, and in all cases the batteries are still good (if with reduced capacity). The S-E that I still use as a secondary phone, I've had for about 10 years and it's still fine on it's original battery.

So largely I agree with Lunatik, for most phone owners, changing the battery will never be required in normal circumstances (ie the battery isn't itself faulty), and while a swappable battery is a 'good-to-have' feature, it will rank fairly low on the priorities of the 99%.

Re chargers, I thought the EU was mandating the micro-usb charger, maybe it was only a recommendation (that Apple ignored), or it hasn't come into force yet? (and inany case, Apple would probably prefer to package a uUSB-to-Apple converter for free in phones sold in the EU rather than change the whole design)

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Re: Waterproof means no user changeable battery.

I come from south armagh, which due to it's proximity to the border means i pick up southern irish mobile networks as often as not (Telcos don't bother with a mast for a tiny town when most of the signal will be covering another country)

Most people in my town (that actually need their phone more than casually) will either have 2 handsets or a dual-sim

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Re: Waterproof means no user changeable battery.

I;m not sure why people are so concerned about removable batteries - just because it is not removable does not mean it is not replaceable when ultimately it fails but my iPhone 3GS has been used every day for the last 3.5 years - fully charged to nearly fully discharged every day and still works fine.

So by my reckoning it's probably had well over 1000 full cycles and although I can't be totally scientific it still lasts a full day - even it it's lot 10-20% of it's initial capacity it's not noticeable and by the time it does need changing it will either be time for a new phone or for relatively little I can get it replaced.

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I used to buy spare batteries when they were removable but typically never / very rarely used them - mostly they would sit in my desk at work. Since everything like this charged off USB I have carried a small battery pack with a USB port and recharged on the go. It's far better that replacing the battery - you don't have to power the device off for a start and it can recharge multiple devices.

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They picked micro USB but it's poor compared to Apple's lightning connector. It's quite a simple problem to solve - I carry a micro USB cable which recharges my mifi and bluetooth headset and an Apple micro-USB to lightning adapter.

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So special Samsung etc. had to copy it - look at Samsungs 'dock' connector and Apples 'dock' connector.

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Re: Waterproof means no user changeable battery.

Ever thought of a portable USB charger - they come in various sizes and can charge the device without having to power it off (better) and be used for more than that device. You also usually just charge them with micro-USB whereas an external battery usually needs to be put back on the phone to charge it (unless you spend even more on a charging dock).

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2 years?

"despite having owned some phones for well over the realistic nominal phone lifespan of two years."

2 years realistic? That's not a realistic lifespan for a phone. It's how often the telco what you to renew your contract (3 in Canada) and how often Apple want you to buy a new phone. I've only ever had one phone less then three years and that was because it was a steaming pile of crap the day my boss bought it.

I've had 5 cell phones starting with an original Motorola flip phone. I have replaced the battery in 3 of them.

I've been tempted to buy a Nexus 4 but don't like the idea that I can't replace the battery and that it will likely not run for a full day if I use it as more then a phone (I have a Nexus 7 for that). The battery on my current dumb phone (a Razr V3 on it's 2nd battery) is starting to go, only 3 days on a charge now. Don't know if I'll still be able to find a new battery for it.

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Re: Waterproof means no user changeable battery.

But you can get an external USB battery pack that has four advantages.

1. You don't need to power down the phone.

2. It is a lot safer than carrying around a spare battery. If you are stupid enough to put a mobile battery in your pocket and a coin shorts it out then you'll have a very warm leg (probably with chunks of battery shrapnel).

3. It can charge multiple devices, not just your phone. You buy one unit and you can carry on using it when you upgrade phones.

4. It can be recharged using your computer at home/work in parallel with your phone.

But of course, you've not thought about this.

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there now follows numerous postings that basically are all about an object that is a phone.

Look around, there is one out there somewhere that nearly meets all your needs. and you can speak to other people on it too! How's that for novelty?

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I travel to many so-called 1st world countries and sure like a multi-SIM phone. I'd say it's important for traveling people. I don't know why people in developing nations need multi-SIM. Why?

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If you're developing software on a phone then being able to pull the battery is often very useful. Developing on blackberry with webworks it's pretty much essential...

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"I don't know why people in developing nations need multi-SIM"

phones are too expensive for everyone to have their own, so users own a SIM and share a phone

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Im a 1st world traveller, and like the ability to have a "native" private SIM from my home country for friends and family, and a PAYG sim in the country I'm working in. Just so convenient, and the 2nd SIM useage is easier to bill to the client.

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No mention of NVIDIA Project Shield? The one device absolutely everyone else has been raving about?

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It just won't happen!

I have a phone and tablet that runs on exactly the same chipset. Why would I need another device just to play games?

They would have been better of developing a system that enabled the tablet/phone to act a console with wireless controller and wireless HDMI to the TV.

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No mention of Piston either. I'm wondering if the Reg's man actually went to CES or spent his time in the pub after having written all the articles beforehand based on what he expected would be shown.

Beer icon because he clearly had the right idea. It was mostly just incremental tablet upgrades and 4k TVs.

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Project Shield will be DOA. What exactly is the point of it? They should pack all that power into a tablet or smartphone. Most people are happy to carry a smartphone and a tablet, but not a third device.

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That is maybe, but my point is the device was missed off the article and was considered by many to be one of the hottest products of the show.

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>No mention of NVIDIA Project Shield? The one device absolutely everyone else has been raving about?

No, but the article did mention the guts of Project Shield, i.e the new version of Tegra.

>No mention of Piston either.

No, but sites that have mentioned it have scant details on its innards. It does seem to have a lot of USB ports, though.

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Tegra 4 "Wayne" gives me a very big nerdboner... Sod putting it in tablets or phones though, I want to see desktop SBC computers built around it.

The Sony phone does look rather purdy, but I'd be a bit worried about this "freezing" of background applications though; what if I *want* background background apps running, so they can provide notifications? Bet the screen looks damn fine though, even if you really don't get the benefit of 1080p on a screen so small...

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Apparently you can selectively enable things to run in the background.

A nice accessory would be a glasses-mounted long range binocular microscope like the one my dentist uses, so I could use all of that 1080p screen, and look really weird on the train.

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> Tegra 4 "Wayne" gives me a very big nerdboner... Sod putting it in tablets or phones though, I want to see desktop SBC computers built around it.

Listen to this man!

The main question is, can it run Boinc Projects?

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Battery life

Sony's recent phones have had terrible battery life. It's the power sucking LCD displays that are the problem.

I have the Note II and the battery is pretty good (2 days with moderate use) but I bet the Xperia Z is dead before the end of the day.

Add to that the battery is non-replaceable and it's a dead duck. No use having all those features if the bloody thing is dead in a matter of hours ......

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Haven't really found too much of an issue with my Xperia S on the battery front, if I start turning stuff off I can get 2-3 days out of a charge, However I cannot be bothered with that and am a heavy user, and it works fine with a charge every night. Small price to pay for a screen that doesn't give the horrible blue/green tinge you get from AMOLED.

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No great issues here with the Xperia P, though that may be because I use the ICS battery saver feature that selectively disables data traffic- the side effect is that you won't receive emails, Whatsapp or Facebook messages etc until you take the phone out of standby. Whether this is a plus or a minus is up to you.

The additional white pixels on the Sony phones can be turned off very easily, and a shortcut created to do just that.

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But with the new phone having 1080p resolution, the power drain is greater? more grunt required to draw the display.

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move along please, nothing to see here

It would seem we've invented everything already, nothing new here it would seem, disappointing indeed, world economic recession really kicking in, maybe finally the reality of the fact that people just do not have the money to buy these toys right now.

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bet there were a million new patents last year even though (nearly) everything has been invented...

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That thin watch looks very very nice....

....until you realize that the time is sideways, compared to a normal watch.

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Re: That thin watch looks very very nice....

And watches are jewellery. Who wants the sort of Sinclair watch you had as an 8 year old? Just because you can't be bothered to get your phone out of your pocket?

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Re: That thin watch looks very very nice....

"And watches are jewellery".

Actually no, at least not for myself or any of my friends. Watches are functional devices. Something worn to provide information, not something worn to looks nice.

Not saying they can't be used as jewellery, but it's not their primary purpose. Unlike say a ring or necklace.

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Re: That thin watch looks very very nice....

Totally agree. I see no reason why a watch should not be both functional AND look nice. I'm very pleased with the watch my wife bought me for my 40th birthday which I've now had for nearly twenty years. And it keeps excellent time. (Unlike my phone, which yesterday decided to magically decide I was in the Albania time zone...!)

And who wants to dig into their pocket to pull a phone out and switch it on to find out what time it is, when you can glance at your wrist?

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Re: That thin watch looks very very nice....

So is my nike sportband which I've been using for half a decade now. But that actually serves a useful purpose, logged 4k miles+ so far in it's life.

My neck has not yet permanently kinked sideways from checking the time.

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Samsung Youm was the most impressive tech of CES 2013

The possibilities that bendy OLED opens up makes this the coolest and most amazing tech of CES 2013. Samsung are so close to something truly groundbreaking here. If the prototypes are anything to go by, Samsung is not far off from a consumer product. A GS4 with double the battery hours thanks to a thinner screen and larger battery would be most welcome.

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Seagate Wireless Plus

Possibilities of portable cheap NAS in the offering soon. 1TB is a reasonable size for such a device - in infancy. What would have been nice to know is transfer rates over WiFi for data and video files.

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Wrap-around mobiles. You know what that means? A mobile phone with no buttons or bezels - that's what I want to see!

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An outrageous omission

Your pub bound correspondent missed booth 35853 obviously, where they would have seen THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING EVER.....

http://www.quantummansite.com/catalog/

and it's from SPAAAAACE

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