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Amazon's cloudy music service is filling up with every CD you ever bought, ready to play back on as many as 10 approved devices along with your MP3 collection. The service is called "AutoRip" and is US-only for the moment, but where available it creates digital versions of CDs in the cloud so as soon as the purchase is made one …

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Anonymous Coward

No clouds for me, please.

I prefer clear sky, thank you very much.

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Re: No clouds for me, please...I prefer clear sky, thank you very much.

Ya, me too!!!

I knew someone who got fucked by the Plays For Sure shutdown.

I would rather do the ripping myself, and, in any event prefer FLACs to that lossy MP3 format.

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Re: I knew someone who got fucked by the Plays For Sure shutdown.

I bet they were fucked for sure!

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What about...

CDs you've bought to give to other people? I mean, there's this whole issue of who inherits the music you paid for, right?

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Re: What about...

yep... just another case of a huge tech company deciding it can do what it wants without sorting things out with the rights-holders first... :-/

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Re: What about...

I doubt very much they are doing this without the approval of right holders… They are aggressive, not crazy.

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Re: What about...

Err, Ratfox... You seem to have missed the whole GoogleBooks malarkey!?

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Re: What about...without sorting things out with the rights-holders first... :-/

Don't be surprised to hear the piracy bullshit spouted from the RIAA's PR departmentshit sprayers over this one.

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Re: What about...

@TRT

Didn't you know, you must not give CDs to other people! That's an infringement of, of, whatever.

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Re: What about...

Well that's my Christmas f***ed then.

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unearths your OLD stuff too*

*Provided you bought it from Amazon after 1998.

*Provided you live in the US.

That's a couple of fucking big caveats.

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Re: unearths your OLD stuff too*

Most services start in one territory before expanding/being rolled out worldwide, so why single this one out for criticism? I can only assume that you are disappointed that you won't be getting a downloadable copy of 2 Unlimited's hit, if you bought on its release before 1998. Besides, prior to then, Amazon mostly sold books.

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Re: unearths your OLD stuff too*

Check the CDs that are available - sure it will probably increase but it's not great and I assume a lot of artists will not agree to this.

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Re: unearths your OLD stuff too*

In the US, this should fall under 'fair use'. Elsewhere may not have such liberal copyright law, certainly not the UK (yet). Of course, if you buy the disc as a gift you're going to delete the image in the cloud, right?

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Re: unearths your OLD stuff too*

"*Provided you bought it from Amazon after 1998."

How is that a big caveat? That is when they started selling music. They were founded in 1995 and only sold books. A little hard to buy music from them pre-1998 when they didn't sell it.

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Caveats

True - but it's a nice freeby if you happen to benefit. I just got an email from Amazon telling me that they'd populated the cloud player. Should keep me entertained for the afternoon while I watch people wave their egos around. Dontcha love meetings.

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Quote

Kay: "Guess I'll have to buy the 'White Album' again..."

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So if I bought CDs in 2000, I can access them free in the cloud? or do I have to pay for the digital copies as well?

And I now live in the States, but bought the stuff on the .co.uk site. Will it still work?

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Authorised devises LOL

When will companies learn that letting pirates have more freedom with their media than paying customers do is hardly encouraging them to "go straight"

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Re: Authorised devises LOL

That does seem to be the rationale behind Ultra-violet [loosen the restrictions on the user so that they hardly notice them] but how well it works it practice is yet to be seen. I do know people who have home-servers that can stream ripped Blu-rays to any sufficiently connected device anywhere, but the less-dedicated consumer could benefit from just buying a Blu-ray, and stream it to a TV from somebody else's server when they visit friends.

Being able to watch a legitimately-purchased DVD without sitting through anti-piracy advertisements would be a good start. In the mean time there is [software name deleted] and [software name deleted] and a nice note from Seagate thanking you for your continued custom.

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iTunes Match is better still - takes all your music not just the stuff you bought from Amazon and puts it in the cloud / replaces it with higher quality versions it can match.

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and...

Amazon offer this too and like with Apple you have to pay for it.

Google offer it free for 20000 tracks and Microsoft do something similar which they don't seem to tell people about so I have very few details. I can access a large portion of my personal music collection stored on my Windows 8 PC on my Windows 8 laptop and on my Windows 8 phone but at no point did I set anything up I'm just using the same MS account on all three devices.

I guess it depends what devices you have, if you're on an iDevice then iTunes is probably best, for a Kindle use Amazon, for Android you can use Google and if you're all Windows you can use Microsoft.

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And Google Play is even better

As it does the same, but has more storage and no subscription fee. The quality is better to (320k)..

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Re: and...

Roll your own server and you aren't beholden to the platform du jour.

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US only = fail.

Just did a search on a few albums / artists and there is a LOT not available = fail.

If it's CDs you already bought you have probably already loaded them into Media Player / iTunes etc. If it's new music you are buying you will probably just buy the digital version anyway so can't really see the point = fail.

A lot of music gets gifted so the digital versions will be in the purchasers Amazon cloud drive not the recipient of the gift = fail.

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Must have been bought from Amazon = fail.

Assume it will not include 'marketplace' vendors = fail.

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Does this mean that I will suddenly get access to all the CD''s I have brought for my mother/grand mother in the future... Oh goody...

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MP3.com by another name...

This is what MP3.com's service was about a while back. Except the publishers all got upset...

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Only one real point

Only real point in this that I can see is that you can listen to the tracks as soon as you purchase the CD. Ripping a CD takes less than 10 minutes even if you're being really careful with your tagging and ripping and most people want to be able to put the tracks on their phone or mp3 player which this isn't going to allow unless your phone supports Amazon's chosen DRM.

Still, it's a nice idea.

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Re: Only one real point

Why do people actually want the 'CD" (physical media) at all - it's a bit like eating the pizza and wanting to keep the box - these days you will either get the music digitally in the first place or if you do get a 'CD" you would just bang it into iTunes then have the hassle of storing it probably never to see the light of day again.

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Re: Why buy the CD?

Because we like to have a physical proof that we're entitled to play the music?

Because we want to be able to let whoever inherits our stuff to also be able to legally play it?

Because we don't want to be the victim of yet another online service shutdown?

Mine's the coat with the 2TB drive in the pocket...

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Because I like the artwork and liner notes having grown up on the scale of vinyl albums that weren't just music but also an artistic production.

Because I get the tracks in the order the artist intended.

Because the quality is far superior (usually) to mp3 and I can rip the discs to FLAC myself.

Because I have an easily stored hard backup of my data for the same price as not having one!

Because they play in my car.

etc

discuss

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Re: Only one real point

Album art.

Sleeve notes.

Lyrics.

Writing credits.

Musician credits.

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Re: Only one real point

I buy CDs because I only have a CD player in my car. Mind you, as soon as I get them, I rip them to MP3/FLAC, after all, what if my car got nicked etc?

That said, over the last year or so I've moved towards buying MP3s (mainly from Amazon as it happens), but at the end of the day, every single one gets backed up to an external drive, I don't trust someone else's cloud.

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I use CDs ...so I go halves with a download-prefering friend who purchases the CD for me/us.

Nice! Particularly as, here in the UK, it's being mooted to 'legalise' the historically unrealistic ripping-your-own-CD for your-own-use technically is/was considered as being copyright 'piracy'. So now it looks like the content is to cost 50% less AND home recording (old terminology) or ripping (new terminology) no longer closet-illegal. Just need to find a download-liking friend with the same musical tastes. Rock On 2013 ...it could be a good year for a change;~)

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D'oh, for cripes' sake...

Does Amazon honestly think that I'm so goddamn' impatient that I can't wait a business day or two for my CD to arrive?

Let's assume for a moment that I would even buy a CD from Amazon (never mind that most of the stuff I'm after wouldn't be carried on Amazon, or probably hasn't even been reissued on CD). What if I don't need or want the CD I just bought to be "auto-ripped"? Will they blow me off and just keep piling up auto-ripped tracks in their cloud until it hits the limit and they start charging me? P'wah, "auto-ripoff", more like.

Besides, I'm not so friggin' incompetent that I can't slip a CD into my computer, fire up iTunes, and rip the tracks to 320k mp3, or wav, or use my FLAC converter myself, thankyuhvurymuch.

Yeah, I'm sure there's a bunch of people who will totally go for this, but, hey, you can't fix stupid.

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Re: D'oh, for cripes' sake...

"I'm going to make a bunch of unfounded assumptions about the service doing things I hate, and then become violently angry with the service because it's doing things I hate.

I also feel it necessary to point out that I am smarter than other people and therefore take it as a personal affront that you offer others a service that I personally find unnecessary.

Additionally, I believe it is important to point out that I am aware that there are formats which are higher quality and, frankly, cooler, to use than mp3. Just in case I haven't made my contempt for anyone who disagrees with me clear enough already, by the way, I include 'thankyuhvurymuch' in a pseudo-dimwit accent, to drive home the fact that I consider those who created or use this service to be inbred descendants of moonshiners, and who probably don't even know how to set up their own email servers.

In conclusion, anyone who doesn't agree with me or doesn't want the same things I want is an idiot."

Sincerely,

Sheldon Cooper

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Re: D'oh, for cripes' sake...

> Does Amazon honestly think that I'm so goddamn' impatient that I can't wait a business day or two for my CD to arrive?

Does it matter? You still get the CD, and they give you the download for free.

> (never mind that most of the stuff I'm after wouldn't be carried on Amazon, or probably hasn't even been reissued on CD)

Then this doesn't affect you at all, so no need to worry.

> Will they blow me off and just keep piling up auto-ripped tracks in their cloud until it hits the limit and they start charging me?

When you buy music from Amazon, it doesn't take up any of your paid-for space, you get it added free.

> P'wah, "auto-ripoff", more like.

auto-freebies, more like.

> Besides, I'm not so friggin' incompetent that I can't slip a CD into my computer, fire up iTunes, and rip the tracks to 320k mp3, or wav, or use my FLAC converter myself, thankyuhvurymuch.

And you still can. They haven't taken anything away, just added things.

> you can't fix stupid.

Indeed.

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Re: D'oh, for cripes' sake...

Argh wrote: "Does it matter? You still get the CD, and they give you the download for free?"

YES! It does matter. Because Amazon is a business and it costs them money to run this service that could otherwise be devoted to things actually useful to me like decent packaging for my items and better wages for the warehouse staff.

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>>Will they blow me off and just keep piling up auto-ripped tracks in their cloud until it hits the limit and they start charging me?

You post on a technology site, yet you think that they'd keep a separate copy of identical music for each user? D'oh!

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Re: D'oh, for cripes' sake...

And certainly Amazon wouldn't have any of those songs already stored because they definitely don't sell them on their own.

It is Steve in dispatch that rips them before he posts them.

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Re: D'oh, for cripes' sake...

>>Sincerely,

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>>Sheldon Cooper

I think you mean Dr Sheldon Cooper

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Re: D'oh, for cripes' sake...

I think you mean Dr Sheldon Cooper

My bad. Won't happen again.

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My iTunes. 8,151 tracks. NO DRM. Not one ONE single track.

They can keep the latest iteration of "Plays For Shit" AWAY from MY music.

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No DRM on Cloud Player

Just a limit on the number of devices you can register with it. Since it uses your Amazon account, you'd be an idiot to share the login details with friends and family. Can't see too many people having more than 10 devices they'd want to access their music from.

I signed up primarily to get an online backup for my music collection, which includes a lot of downloads from eMusic who would charge me to re-download the tracks. I can also now access my entire music collection from my Android phone, including downloading the tracks to my device (as MP3 files without DRM). I can buy tracks (and hopefully soon CDs) while on a train and listen to them virtually immediately. Assuming I'm not in a tunnel.

Getting CDs purchased added automatically will save me having to rip them. The quality may not be perfect, but there's always a trade off between quality and file size. Anyway, how much better would FLAC sound on a mobile device with traffic/train/tube noise in the background?

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Three thumbs down for using iTunes and pointing out I have no drm.

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flac ... ETC

Why do they think that anyone buying a CD these days will want an MP3 encoded copy? Anyone old enough to want a CD is probably ripping it to a lossless format like flac.

What Amazon is actually attempting is to seduce the diehard CD buyers away from the format by showing them the "joy & convenience" of pure digital files ... As usual they've failed to spot that the reason people still buy CD is not just because they want a shiny disc but because they want the biterate that Amazon won't provide via mp3!

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if they can do this with cds, why can't they do this with books?

so when I buy a CD, the e-CD will be ready and waiting for me in the cloud,

but when I buy a (paper) book, the e-Book won't be available and I need to fork out extra if I want the same book in the cloud... not exactly consistent, amazon.

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Re: if they can do this with cds, why can't they do this with books?

one step at a time, anon, one step at a time

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A whole ten devices?

Woo hoo. My god, they're really spoiling us. Next thing you know, they'll be acting as if we owned the stuff we'd bought!

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