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USB 3.0 – aka SuperSpeed USB – is set to become more super-speedy, with a new specification scheduled for a mid-2013 release that will provide a one-two punch intended to greatly improve its theoretical throughput. "The USB 3.0 Promoter Group that defined and wrote the USB 3.0 spec is doing an amendment to the spec to increase …

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Plaid

Plaid.

Short, sweet, to the point.

USB Plaid.

"They've gone plaid!"

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The name

How about USB 3.1? Since it's a revision of the USB 3.0 spec, and thanks to TV manufacturers terms like "super" and "ultra" cause more confusion than anything...

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Re: The name

That was my first thought. No one I know uses the name "SuperSpeed" anyway.

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Re: The name

Same here, in IT, many techi friends, not one of them ever refers to USB other than the version numbers.

Keep it simple guys, 3.0, 3.1 etc.

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Re: The name

My immediate thought was USB3.1 too... but you can't copyright/trademark a version number... and then charge companies an extra fee just to print it. UltraSuperMegaUSBPlusPlusHD™ it is then.

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Re: The name

They'll probably call it "The New USB" and get sued by a certain fruity firm.

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USB 3.0 HD?

Also, that AudioQuest Coffee isn't an expensive USB cable, THIS is an expensive USB cable: http://www.locus-design.com/index.php/cynosure-usb-cable (scroll to the bottom, but prepare for the shock)

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Wow. Just wow. These people are amazing. They talk about the "sound" going down the cable. IT'S A DATA CABLE!!! If the data gets to the other end, it gets there. End of. Anyone buying thus stuff needs their head examined.

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Re: The name

Wow... that's one of the most ridiculous page of marketing techno babble about a data cable that I've ever seen.

All that bullshit to carry digitally encoded audio down a data cable where the basic USB v1.0 spec has more than enough bandwidth to effortlessly transfer HD audio even with heavy error correction and with no perceivable impact to the quality of the sound.

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WTF?

I still can't figure out if that website is a parody or not.... Some of the stuff there is more hilarious than the fake reviews on amazon - "These layers are one of the reasons that the cable takes a while to "settle" back in after it has been moved, or unplugged..."

At least I can be safe in the knowledge that my USB cable will have ultra pure CFDCT-UP-OCC-Ag conductors; the ones in my last cable were only 99% CFDCT-UP-OCC-Ag.

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Did you look at any of their other cables? $1599 for 5ft of speaker wire!?! Speaker wire!

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For mugs only

I also liked their return policy (and remember, you've just forked out $3.5k for 3 feet of cable):

Any custom Locus Design cable may be returned within 30 days for a refund, if for some odd reason it does not perform as expected in your system. A 20% restocking fee (of the the total price) will be charged and any shipping charges incurred will be the responsibility of the buyer.

Nice.

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Re: The name

As noted in other replies, they should KISS, i.e. USB 2.0, 3.0, 3.1 etc

They messed up by added branding, which only serves to confuse.

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Thunderbolt USB / Lightning USB

... in homage to Apfel fanboys

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Thunderbolt USB / Lightning USB

Magnifico-oh-oh...

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>Thunderbolt USB / Lightning USB

very, very frightening me

Gallileo, Gallileo,

Gallileo, Gallileo,

Gallileo, Figaro ......

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LightSpeed?

RidiculousSpeed?

LudicrousSpeed

Nailed it.

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@Emo

"LightSpeed? RidiculousSpeed? LudicrousSpeed"

Surely...

LightSpeed

WarpSpeed

TransWarpSpeed ?

<--- Boldly

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+1 on the Spaceballs reference.

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Light speed is too slow

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Happy

@Emo

Dammit, beat me to it!

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Re: @Emo - thumbs down :(

Hangs head in shame for missing the Spaceballs reference!

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SuperDuper Speed

Or maybe just "the New USB"

The naming of versions in place of numbers is stupid most of the time. USB Vista?

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Call me old fashioned, but why not USB 4 ?

Ah, because coming so soon after USB 3 took so long, people will rightly ask... what ? Why wasn't this in the products we already bought ? Did you rush to market or what ? And if so, why should we buy in to your rushed follow up to a botched first job ?

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Re: Call me old fashioned, but why not USB 4 ?

How about TIFKAUT

The Interface formally known as Usb Three?

or GFUT (Go Faster Usb Three).?

That's pleasingly frigative.

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Happy

how about

Thunderbolt Killer?

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Re: how about

USB is fine for "non-critical stuff" - mice, keyboards, webcams for skype, poxy printers. These look like more enterprise speeds.

I'd rather go with a dumbed-down lightpeak, than a fudged-up USB system.

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Re: how about

It's just a marketing number.... Without it Thunderbolt may look better.

As long as Thunderbolt and USB3 run at the same theoretical speed, USB3 will win on cost and those that need or are forced to use Thunderbolt will continue to do so.

See USB vs FireWire for additional examples.

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I think that...

USB 3.1 would be best. It's still the same technology as USB 3.0, just with a minor change (that reaps massive benefits).

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Agreed. USB 3.1 would be simple and clear. Which is probably the reason it will not be chosen. ;)

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NorrisSpeed USB

Norris is a unit of force, but could it be extended to a speed?

Paris, should be a unit, too.

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Re: NorrisSpeed USB

Of course it can be extended to speed: an object onto which a roundhouse kick of one Norris of force has been applied flies at a terminal speed of one Chuck.

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Re: NorrisSpeed USB

The Hilton is indeed a unit of speed - unfortunately it only applies in one direction.

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How about a few devices that come close to maxing out 3.0 first. I have yet to see much more than 80-90MB/s on my USB 3 hard drives.

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You do know that 80-90MB/s is typical speeds for hard drives? (They may state they are SATA 3/6, but that's just burst speed from cache, real word through put is still limited by the spinning disk).

If you want to see real USB 3.0 speeds. you'll have to buy an SSD instead.

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FAIL

Yes quite well aware and most crappy USB 3 controllers are lucky to even burst to 110. Most of them suck I have ran 3 usb 3 drives at the same time and could barely get them to 150 aggregate.

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Quite Right.

Quite Right.

I have gotten 100MB/s out of my wired GigE network. That was driven by a single big-but-cheap spinny disk.

Your spinny disk is the real bottleneck, not the external storage bus.

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Firmware

I presume that this means that all existing Firmwares will require updating.

At least with a cable it is a simple matter or replacing the cable, with Firmware there's always a lot of "crossed fingers" involved..

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Meh

can we not just have one standard please? lightpeek seems as good as any with PCIe direct and displayport multiplexed together.

there's the obligitory XKCD for competing standards somewhere...

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Re: Meh

Yes, let's have one standard.

Let's call is a "Universal" one, of course needs some sort of bus to run on and maybe if we could link up things in series, to keep it simple.

Dammed if I can think of a name for it.

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Universal? I thought it was Unreliable.

One who's wasted far too much time with USB to RS232 interfaces.

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Differences..

Between the $500 Coffee 10ft USB and the $20 off the shelf 10ft USB cable == 0.

(Note, go too cheap and you definitely get crappy cables with not enough actual metal down the wires to do the job)

And Hyperspeed, obviously.

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Audio Quest Coffee cable

Thank you for the link to the Audioquest cables. I love the way they bias and polarise the insulation around the cable (10% solid silver) to minimise the multiple non-linear time delays - just one of many innovations. I'll never be able to afford one, but it's like reading about the latest model of Ferrari - I can dream.

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Re: Audio Quest Coffee cable

Go read about the cables from Locus Design, they make the Audioquest cables look like a Ford Fiesta. :p

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@Irongut Re: Audio Quest Coffee cable

http://www.locus-design.com/index.php/cynosure-usb-cable

Thank you! Thank you !!

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Decaspeed?

Don't see the point of naming USB 3.1 as anything, but since it can go 10 Gigabit/sec, "Decaspeed" might be one possibility.

Of more importance though: having started to shift USB 3.0 in decent numbers at long last, will existing USB 3.0 setups see any speed improvement anywhere in the chain (assuming drivers have been updated to 3.1)? Or will everything (motherboard included) have to be replaced with 3.1 equivalents?

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If it was...

Dialup: USB 3.0v.2

DSL: USB 3.02+

WiFi: USB 3.0g

Cell: USB 3.0 LTE

Apple: Corona Cord

Windows: Enterprise USB

Intel: Penngrove

Audi: 2013 USB S3

Bargain bin: USB 3.0 v2.2 ultra speed 1000GHz

Government: USB 3.0 Section 521, Article 134.5.c

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