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It sounds so promising: a "revolutionary paper tablet computer" that will completely change "the way people work with tablets and computers". Alas, the PaperTab, a concept device lauded today by "printed electronics" firm Plastic Logic, isn’t quite the gadget the company is pitching it as. PaperTab was created at Queen’s …

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I predict

As a result of this, I predict the paperless office in about 10 years.

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Happy

Re: I predict

I predict that we'll have the paperless office, at the same time as we get the paperless toilet.

Do you know how to use the three seashells?

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Re: I predict

Yes I do...

Possibly Mildly NSFW http://www.i-mockery.com/shorts/three-seashells/

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Re: The Paperless Toilet

The paperless toilet is here. It is just that the less hygienic nations in the world have not caught up yet.

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My 11-year old doesn't use paper at the toilet. No matter how many times I shout at him! Is this the future I have to look forward to? :(

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Actually the paperless toilet has been in use for centuries and is still in use in parts of the Middle-East and Asia!

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The Japanese have toilets that will squirt warm water up your bottom, then blow warm air at you until dry and fluffy. You can buy them in Blighty for about £6,000.

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Until someone invents bendy chips/boards/batteries, what is the point?

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The technology already exists for bendy batteries (e.g. http://www.gizmag.com/bendable-thin-film-lithium-ion-battery/23656/), and it certainly exists for bendy PCBs.

Not sure about bendy chips though, but perhaps they could be made small enough to fit inside one end of the thing, and you could then roll it up?

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>Until someone invents bendy chips/boards/batteries, what is the point?

It would allow devices to have a a screen twice the size of their footprint. Mobile phones have been getting bigger, in an attempt to find a compromise between being pocket-friendly yet big enough to use- but these solutions are compromises.

There have been devices such as Nintedo's newsish Gameboys, the Sony Xperia P Tablet and the aborted MS Courier that have a clamshell form-factor but with a bezel between the two screens... having a flexible display would allow a clamshell factor with no bezel.

As a rough guide, it would allow you a 6" 4:3 screen in a device the size of a 4" 16:9 smartphone (very roughly).

Besides, people are working on flexible batteries and circuit boards too!

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I could have shown you how to make bendy PCBs 25 years ago. It's a lot easier than you might think.

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@cyberdemon

ot sure about bendy chips though, but perhaps they could be made small enough to fit inside one end of the thing, and you could then roll it up?

Perhaps the name "Plastic Logic" is a subtle clue as to a possible approach.

Pity the clock speeds are rubbish and the linewidth is s**t.

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Because you can easily have a 10 inch diagonal screen that folds in half onto a 5 inch diagonal rigid body that then fits in MY pocket, genius!

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"Not sure about bendy chips though, but perhaps they could be made small enough to fit inside one end of the thing, and you could then roll it up?"

Yes back to the scroll, cool NOT

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Remember...

Bendy is trendy...

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...but Curvy is Pervy!

Ah, the late lamented Chelmsford 123 ("One for the Road" episode, IIRC)

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Upvote for the 123 ref. I wish they'd release it on DVD. Loved the first episode entirely in Latin... (although I just did a Google and it's on 4oD, so that's my weekend of viewing pleasure sorted)

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:-) So it's not just me that remembers Chelmsford 123..

..but it has (recently) been released on DVD:http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chelmsford-123-The-Complete-Series/dp/B004U603WA

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Re: Remember...

Why-oh-why was there no fanfare upon release of this? I distinctly recall emailing HatTrick many moons/years ago asking them to release it and getting a "no plans at the moment" response.

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Glad some of you got the reference :)

I did spend some enjoyable time re-acquainting myself with Badvoc, Aulus et al on 4oD a while back.

"They call me Mungo the evasive"

"Why's that then?"

"Who wants to know?"

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Completely useless......

Hold it on one side to use ike you would a tablet and each time you touch etc it moves.

Multi touch will be a real pain, what flexible screens need for use other than looking at are rigidity.

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Re: Completely useless......

You're right, the technology we have now is all we will ever need and the way we use it is the only possible way anything can get done. People should stop wasting their time inventing new stuff. What a bunch of losers, eh?

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And anyway my personal needs are for foolscap screens for looking at old documents, and these are clearly A4,

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Pi?

this is a small tidy screen in need of a computer

The rapserry Pi is a small tidy computer in need of a screen...

hmmm........

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Re: Pi?

So come on then, don't leave us hanging. What are you thinking?

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er, wait, hang on , idea forming..........

ooh ooh, i know!

Projector screens that dont need a projector!

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Weeeellll...

I guess you could set up an induction loop arrangement where wireless power was broadcast to a set of these PaperTab thingies from under the desk, and use something along the lines of Bluetooth to handle their content updates. Then you'd only need a fairly tiny set of chippery on the PaperTab themselves, which might give you something like the system manufacturers are selling it as.

Of course, unless you had a mobile charger pad you could put a PaperTab on to walk around the room with (turning it into a Kindle, more or less) you'd only be able to work with the tabs at the desk.

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Not convinced.

I currently have... 21 windows open on this PC, one of those is Firefox with a dozen tabs as well. And it's a fairly light day today at work and I've been quite focused in the things I'm working on. Some days there's far more than that and the pc struggles to handle it.

I can't see how having 50 paper screens scattered over my desk is going to be an improvement. I'll have to tidy them up and stack them on top of each other - which'll copy the data between them and screw everything right up!

I think there's probably a cool use case for bendy screens like this, but i don't think they've identified it yet.

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Hey Jai,

No reason these things can't use tabs. Some tasks require concentration on a single screen, some tasks benefit from being able to compare two documents side by side.

Kudos to this company for considering different uses for flexible displays, and not just retrofitting them to existing devices. They could well be wide of the mark, but at least they have put the idea out there.

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> I currently have... 21 windows open on this PC, one of those is Firefox with a dozen tabs ... and the pc struggles to handle it.

I'm guessing you are running some MS windows version. I have quite a bit more than that running (18 terminals, several editors, spreadsheets, word processors, database application [with multiple tabs], email/addressbook client, three VMs, Firefox and the current applications I'm working on). The PC barely notices it (current load is 0.08). If your OS can not handle multiple windows then I guess its time you upgraded your OS to something that can.

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>I guess its time you upgraded your OS to something that can.

AC, "test, don't guess".

I'm not knocking Linux, but suggesting that it is a universal panacea for all IT woes is just unrealistic, and could disappoint people who follow your 'advice', potentially putting them off Linux.

If the websites he visits use Flash, he might run into problems with hardware acceleration, too.

You don't know what other applications he was running, nor did you suggest he try another browser (an easier line of enquiry than installing another OS, don't ya think?) - on older XP machines with 512 MB RAM, I find Opera more usable than Chrome, for example.

I would suggest he get more RAM, but even that can have some pitfalls, depending on his hardware setup (Intel's advice for some issues is to remove the second stick, for example) so I won't.

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"I'm guessing you are running some MS windows version... If your OS can not handle multiple windows then I guess its time you upgraded your OS to something that can."

Arrogant jerks like you are part of the reason I avoid Linux - the jerk percentage of the community is too high to make being involved with it tolerable. Your post would have been obnoxious and sanctimonious even in the context of a windows/linux discussion, but to shoehorn it into a thread about display devices reminds me of the people who can't pass up any conversation about difficult times without promoting their chosen religion. Funny, that.

As if that wasn't all bad enough, you have the added double-whammy of your being utterly wrong about tech while presenting yourself as an expert on said tech! My main Windows machine happily runs Photoshop CS6, Indesign, Visual Studio, Illustrator, a dynamically-generated desktop background, several FTP applications, a dozen file manager windows, fullscreen H.264 playback, and eight or nine separate instances of Chome, each with upwards of 10 tabs, simultaneously, on six monitors, without the slightest flicker of a problem. And it hasn't been restarted in weeks.

So, in summary, you're pushy, arrogant, sanctimonious; you insulted the person you were 'giving advice' to, and, to top it off, you're wrong. And yet I suspect you wonder with a sense of personal grievance why the people you 'help' don't change (I'm sorry - 'upgrade') their OSes, thank you profusely, and send your flowers for your birthday.

How unreasonable indeed it is of the world to not see you for the helpful and benevolent bringer of Truth you really are!

Sometimes I wish that more of Richard Stallman's acolytes would behave as he does - refusing to browse the web on his own computer based on the risk of accidentally hitting a server that runs Windows, and resorting to requesting web sites to be downloaded via wget and emailed to him. Yes, I'm serious - look at his web site (Yes, he has one; he has other people maintain it since he refuses on principle.) The internet would be a much nicer place to discuss technical issues - hell, I might even give Linux another shot. Until then...

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AC@16:30

Note no mention of OS.

Do not feed.

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"Note no mention of OS."

The guy has 18 terminals open and quantifies performance with the load average. What OS do you think he's running?

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Where's the "wanker" icon when you need it?

Yeah, who gives a toss about your system load without any idea of the underlying hardware spec?

And no, I don't give a toss your hardware spec EITHER.

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re: Arrogant jerks like you are part of the reason I avoid Linux...

If you're basing your OS choice on who is a jerk in what community, you're doing it wrong.

Yes the Linux "community" has jerks, just like the Apple "community", the Unix "community" and *shock* *horror* the Windows "community".

Every "community" has it's fair share of arrogant jerks - including El Reg. Whatever OS you choose to go with*, go with it for it's technical merits and the support you get, not because there's a few chair-throwing, lawyer-upping, dev-bashing jerks advocating it.

*Also applies to life in general.

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As well as being an annoying arse, our anonymous Coward is also a bit of a liar. I present two quotes to you. From the OP we have:

I currently have... 21 windows open on this PC, one of those is Firefox with a dozen tabs as well. And it's a fairly light day today at work and I've been quite focused in the things I'm working on. Some days there's far more than that and the pc struggles to handle it.

And from the cut'n'paste job of our Windows-bashing idiot we have:

> I currently have... 21 windows open on this PC, one of those is Firefox with a dozen tabs ... and the pc struggles to handle it.

Notice the rather crucial difference?

I'm never quite sure when to ignore trolls and when to respond. Partly because you're never sure with the anonymous ones whether they're trolls or tools. You get to learn by experience with the named ones.

I guess with misquoting skills like that, they should be able to get a job with the Today Program on Radio 4, or most newspapers.

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one issue with the AC's advise too - ignoring that this is an old, underspecced work pc which is tightly locked down preventing the possibility of installing an alternative web browser, let alone a new OS - if i did switch to his preferred OS, i'd need to look for a new job, as we run a lot of proprietary software, written many years ago, no doubt highly inefficient and the main reason for the poor performance, which may or may not run under emulation in something like wine but regardless, there is neither the budget nor resources to fully regression test and prove that. which is why we're still running everything under WinXP and only recently purchased servers run anything as new as WinServer2008!

the other issue is, i am, to use the parlance of someone posting above, a mac jerk, so if i was going to be switching OS's here at work, it wouldn't be in the direction of the penguin-botherers.

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The multi-tablet thing seems like a marvellous solution in search of a problem.

What, IMO, they need to do is fix the form-factor; scrap the cables and just mount a tubular computing/power core at the bottom of the page and tadaa - roll-up Kindle.

I'd buy one.

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Would be interesting to know what the minimum bending radius is...

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Angel

ummmmm

Flat ?

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I think there's something you don't quite understand about "radius".

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... or possibly "minimum".

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It's over 9000!!!

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Multi Bendy Page Animations

If someone glued several of these bendy pages into some kind of Hardback/softback binder we could flip the pages over and make some clever little animations......

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Could be useful

All this needs is some device that pulls the paper taut and presents it to the user in a vertical format.

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Sod it - anyone seen my bendy screen? I swear I left it right on my desk on top of that pile of bendy screens, next to the pile of bendy screens for filing and the other pile of miscellaneous bendy screens I haven't had time to look at yet.

Some of these scientist johnnies obviously never had a proper job in an office in the eighties.

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Bet Apple and Samsung are crapping themselves - LAUGHING.

The b/w kindle must be pretty dead by now - so what hope does this have?

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I'm sure the one you're developing is soooooo fabulous.

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The B/W Kindle is NOT dead. People who want to READ are still buying them. The Kindle fire and its ilk are not really e-readers as much as they are general content devices, and do not provide the level of reading comfort and clarity. (Or the low cost and extreme battery life.)

I use a tablet AND a Kindle. Serious reading on an LCD is just not as good .

Now e-ink for what this video is showing on the other hand is just silly.

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