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A hacking attack by self-proclaimed members of Anonymous has uncovered highly disturbing data relating to a rape case in Steubenville, Ohio, that has garnered national attention. In August a 16-year-old girl was allegedly assaulted at a series of parties in the Ohio town. Numerous pictures, tweets, and videos were broadcast of …

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Anonymous Coward

the police dont care about rape

here are a list of "real" serious crimes that police care about:

. smoking weed

. not saying yes master quick enough when they tase you

. knowing your rights

. supporting terrorists (aka any activity where the cop sees you and wants to practice breaking your ribs)

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Re: the police dont care about rape

you forgot pulling people over for speeding tickets

and pulling them over for not wearing their seat belt(well that happens frequently around me)

The above 2 also come with a car search for drugs if you are a minority

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Re: Re: the police dont care about rape

"you forgot pulling people over for speeding tickets

and pulling them over for not wearing their seat belt(well that happens frequently around me)

The above 2 also come with a car search for drugs if you are a minority"

I'm amazed you can drive at all with that massive chip on your shoulder.

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Re: the police dont care about rape

I'm lucky our local plods are alright, at least with locals. I did get pulled once for no seatbelt (on a motorbike, go figure) but another officer I knew turned up and I got a warning about high winds (just fyi I wasn't speeding etc, I guess he was having a bad night). Mostly I've found being polite and respectful gets you out of tickets, even when you deserve them. Having said that, cops vary massively!

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Re: the police dont care about rape

Wait, I thought knowing your rights was supporting terrorists or is that exercising your rights. It's getting harder to tell without a program.

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Re: the police dont care about serious crime

Fixed the title for you (but not the missing apostrophe).

The police don't care about serious crime, because dealing with serious crime means dealing with serious habitual criminals, the sort (male) when questioned about the ladies handbag they are carrying respond with a glasgow kiss.

They care even less about really serious crime because that means dealing with really serious criminals who usually have shootey things and are prepared to use them to protect their multi-million stash of drugs.

The really serious criminals also do their homework, "Good evening officer plod, how's Mrs Plod, isn't she marvellous the way she helps out in the old peoples home every Tuesday night, and how's young plod getting on in St Chlamydia's primary school, the teachers are great aren't they. Now what do you want to talk to me about?"

Much easier to give out speeding tickets and operate checkpoints looking for motorists without tax and/or insurance. And it generates revenue for the state as well.

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WTF?

> assaulted at a series of parties

A SERIES of parties? How? Are there many parties doing rape in town at any given night? Do they pass drugged-up girls around? WTF??

Also looks like at this point in time the evidence will be so tainted / potentially shooped that it might well be thrown out. Unless someone fesses up.

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Sadly, yes, by the accounts she was drugged and carried from party to party

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It's rather sad and sickening.

I'd shoot them if they did that to me.

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Re: I'd shoot them if they did that to me.

And I'd acquit you if they brought you up on charges after you did so.

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Re: I'd shoot them if they did that to me.

It would be better to invoke Nullification. Nullification says that the Jury could not in "good conscious" find the defendant guilty and are invoking their Constitutionally granted authority to nullify the law, ignore the evidence and Judges instructions.

US Judges and Prosecutors HATE this clause and don't tell the Jury about it anymore. It used to be part of the instructions given to the Jury before deliberations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

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Disgusted, yes. Surprised, no.

Not all college students, "student" athletes, and frat boys are spoiled brats who grew up never hearing "No, don't do that" or feeling the consequences of their actions but enough of them are that this shit continues. Hangin's too good fer 'em.

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Re: Disgusted, yes. Surprised, no.

I am not surprised on more than one level.

As long as as there is a "dating queue" for every small deity on the college/high school football team that shit will continue. The poor girl life will be ruined, she will get nothing from the local "justice" either. However, that is not the most disgusting part. The most disgusting part is that another one will readily take her place amidst the crowd which will hang out with jocks for that fleeting chance to date one. The fact that her predecessor was drugged and gang raped will not deter any of the fresh aspirants for "jock date" position.

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Re: Disgusted, yes. Surprised, no.

Agreed. But we're not supposed to notice stuff like that and instead become holier than thou, protect our innocent virgin angels. Acts like this rarely happen in isolation - 'The Rape Crew' moniker should have given EVERYONE nearby a clue earlier.. Don't get me wrong, these animals should get some 'serious' justice, just let us not also forget our society accepts (encourages?) girls going after violent thug alpha male types..

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Re: Disgusted, yes. Surprised, no.

not all of them are, just 90% with the other 10% "just following orders" so thats okay then.............................

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Re: the police dont care about rape

Yup, the same society that pays college football coaches multimillion dollar salaries. One university just lost nearly 2 million bucks in a year just on the football team. Another school just spent 5 million on a sports field, the same school system that could only afford teachers for 9 days a fortnight last year. Just to hammer it home they had some interviews with the students about the field, I guess the football team was off at a party so they got the girls soccer team, one comment was "now we don't have to worry about getting dirty". Nothing about not breaking ankles in holes so it can't have been bad before.

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As well as those directly involved, I hope those who just stood by and watched are also prosecuted - particularly any who recorded the rape.

At the very least, they should be named & shamed.

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But hopefully it will be those recordings that will be found and bring to justice those.....sorry, can't call them people.......<insert word(s) of choice>. Without that evidence it's easy for justice to get buried by those with influence.

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accessories and accomplices

Accessories and accomplices are libel for the same range of criminal penalties as the person who committed the original crime.

So yes, let us hope they go after the closed mouthed people practicing a civilian version of the thin blue wall of silence (aka the thin blue wall of obstruction of justice).

But that may not happen, perhaps because it would set precedents that could be used against the thin blue wall of silence.

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Re: accomplices are libel

I think the word you are looking for is 'liable', as in this instance if it was 'libel' they would be innocent of all charges. The meaning of particular words is important.

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Well done Anonymous, I suppose

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Maybe well done maybe not

I know your well done was probably a grudging one but they may have caused more harm than good.

If the rozzers can't now get provable pre-hack copies of all the evidence the defence has all the material they need to get the evidence thrown out as tainted.

In which case it's more like Anon you utter fuckwits.

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Re: Maybe well done maybe not

I see your point, but it's also true that more might be done now it's in the spotlight.

Either way I hope something does get done, though I'm not so sure I care about *how* it is done in this particular case.

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above the law

In football country Lady Justice only peeks out from her blind fold when she hears the words football and program in the same sentence. Alma Mater red neck tribal behavior at its worst.

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Here say?

So without any real evidence Anonymous are attacking two people?

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(Not trying to say the guy doesn't come across as a douche mind)

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Nope. Releasing evidence that implicates a hell of a lot more than two people, and supposedly didn't exist according to police/prosecutors.

BTW its hearsay.

Are you aware:

That one of the parties where the girl was raped was hosted by the original prosecutor, and that the prosecutor's son was one of the alleged participants?

That the prosecutor disuaded the girl and her parents from pressing charges?

That she did not recuse herself until six weeks after the original allegation, and that by the time she did, almost no evidence remained.

That the accused were already known as "The Rape Crew" BEFORE this assault took place.

That the ONLY members of the football team who were suspended were the two who developed consciences (possibly quite gulity ones) and spoke up.

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Re: Here say?

I think you can post links in the Reg. Presumably you know the local papers. I'd like to read more.

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Re: Here say?

Bloody hell, how depressing those details are. As a foreign johnny my USA is composed from films: seems like for small-town I should be thinking "Mississippi Burning" mixed with "Benny's Video" plus a dash of "Deliverance"?

(or a mirror image version of the Robin Hood murders: different sort of accusees, same sort of ghastly prosecution apparatus)

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Re: Here say?

Woah. If any of that about the prosecutor is true, when is she being locked up for gross misconduct in public office, then put on trial for her part in the alleged rape?

Or are judges and prosecutors simply above the law in the USA?

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Re: Here say?

Prosecutors and judges do occasionally get put on trial, but it's a high bar. The presumption is that they are operating in good faith, and it's hard to prove otherwise. No one involved in the Rolando Cruz debacle (the case that started the suffered any lasting consequences.

And just to make this properly international, this is hardly an exclusively American phenomenon, e.g.:

"It is better that some innocent men remain in jail than the integrity of the English judicial system be impugned."

Lord Denning, 1988

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Re: Here say?

Sorry about the editing.

s/(the case that started the/(the case that started the innocence investigations)/

:wq

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Its rare that something hits hard enough that I sign up just to comment, but its the degree to which those in authority here colluded to simply make this disappear that utterly astounds me.

It will be very interesting to see if the publicity generated by these revelations has any actual impact.

I also have to put the Denning quote into context as on the surface it puts the English system in an equally bad light. At the time he made it, the old boy was touching 90, and had been retired for years.

In fact he had to retire due to a stream of increasingly erratic comments and judgments, so while he said it, he was in no position to put it into practice, and similar comments had ended his career.

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Denning's comment needs to put in the proper context, he seems to be a bit of a fuckwit more concerned with protecting the system that protecting innocent people; from wikipedia:-

"In 1980, during an appeal by the Birmingham Six (who were later acquitted) Lord Denning judged that the men should be stopped from challenging legal decisions. He listed several reasons for not allowing their appeal:

Just consider the course of events if their action were to proceed to trial ... If the six men failed it would mean that much time and money and worry would have been expended by many people to no good purpose. If they won, it would mean that the police were guilty of perjury; that they were guilty of violence and threats; that the confessions were involuntary and improperly admitted in evidence; and that the convictions were erroneous. ... That was such an appalling vista that every sensible person would say, "It cannot be right that these actions should go any further."[83]

"In the summer of 1990 he agreed to a taped interview with A.N. Wilson, to be published in The Spectator. They discussed the Guildford Four; Denning remarked that if the Guildford Four had been hanged "They'd probably have hanged the right men. Just not proved against them, that's all".[92] His remarks were controversial and came at a time when the issue of miscarriage of justice was a sensitive topic.[93] He had expressed a similar controversial opinion regarding the Birmingham Six in 1988, saying: "Hanging ought to be retained for murder most foul. We shouldn't have all these campaigns to get the Birmingham Six released if they'd been hanged. They'd have been forgotten, and the whole community would be satisfied... It is better that some innocent men remain in jail than that the integrity of the English judicial system be impugned."[94][95]

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No Offense, but I don't consider everything posted on the internet as fact.

When you provide more specifics as to where you obtained your information and how you formed this would be helpful in making your point. links to hard evidence would help.

Don't get me wrong, I think anyone involved in the act or cover up of this girls attack should be punished fully tot he extent our US Laws, but I also know mobs are formed by the use of mis-information and catering to the peoples emotions and avoids the fact that in the US, all criminals are considered innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law. Just remember back when Spike Lee tweeted the wrong address for Zimmerman's and an innocent families house was picketed and they were harassed and had to go into hiding due to the mob mentality and lack of calm minds.

By irresponsibly posting information on the web, these "hackers" could risk the life of an innocent person. That would not help this poor girls cause/case.

We have law enforcement officers to prevent lynch mobs. Don't get made at a police officer if they pull you over for speeding when you were speeding. If your breaking the law and get caught, try and learn from it. don't blame the people's whose job it is to enforce the laws. Keep in mind there are bad people in all jobs/careers and that not all police are bad. Just as not all lawyers are good or have your interests in mind. Not all doctors are good, etc.

Best wishes for a safe and happy new year,

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The people standing by who did nothing to help but took pictures and movies and then shared them, should at least be arrested for distributing child pornography, as the girl is under 18.

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No they will not

They are on the college football team.

So you have to see Lucifer driving to work on a snowplough first.

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@TechnicallyConfused

No. They shod be publicly tortured for the rest of their lives. . . Which should be prolonged for as long as medically possible. All of them, the silent and the picture takers included. Anyone involved in covering it up should share their fate.

If what is alleged is true (and the evidence is compelling) then they should be punished... harshly... including those who stood-by and did nothing to stop it. However, if you really believe they should be publicly tortured, you are more than just technically confused. In fact you're more than just confused, you're disturbed.

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Perhaps his suggestion of torture is going a little far, but I can certainly understand the sentiment.

At the very least, those involved should be neutered (like animals) so they cannot do it again.

Perhaps with a rusty bread-knife.

W*nkers.

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Re: @TechnicallyConfused

A bread knife seems a bit rough. I'd think elastration or a Burdizzo would be more apt as it allows a couple of weeks for the consequences to sink in.

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@ed: read the web and see what was actually done to her. Torture would be my starting point for these scum. If they did that to one of my kids I'd teach them what fear really is. Multiple gang rapes and sodomy on an unconscious 16 year old. You think an icikle bit of jail time and a chat with a shrink is going to cure them? Public flogging and serious time would be a good start.

On other points it is alleged the attacks took place in Ohio and she was dumped on her front lawn in West Virginia - does that not make it federal jurisdiction or is that only in the movies? Sheriff shitkicker needs a good hiding from the Feds.

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I'm not surprised. We let the commoners treat atheletes like gods despite the fact they're nothing more than mentally deficient teenagers / adults playing childrens games.

When the mentally deficient think they're above the law they do stupid things. I don't think we should ban sports but it should be illegal to make money from it. If you want to play games meant for 10 year olds, do it in your free time as a hobby.

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Social media firms should always ask for a search warrant

Social media firms should always ask for a search warrant, and in cases like this a search warrant should be easy to get. Same deal with ISPs and telecos, no search warrant, no info.

Social media firms should not be deciding what and what not to reveal to police based on rumors or vigilantes.

Search warrants are easy to obtain when there is probable cause, and can be obtained 7/24/365 if necessary.

I suspect (but do not know) the police, being typical American police, did not want to go out of their way to harm the local high school football team -- which is pretty sad if true.

I mean, did they even try send the phones off to attempt to have the deleted data recovered?

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Re: Social media firms should always ask for a search warrant

yeah, i'm going to assume the article's call for "social firm justice" was made in a state of emotional distress. You don't set the precedent of ignoring the people's freedoms every time a disturbing case needs evidence. evidence you could have had just fine, in many cases, if your local justice system functioned properly. no they didn't try to recover the "deleted data". There is no way all these kids/rapists securely wiped their storage media. In fact, i would wager it was the police who were doing some of the deleting. everyone always wants to pass the buck to the people every time doing it right is too tedious. hint: doing it the right way is not usually the fastest, easiest or cheapest way to do it! This kind of socialist, lowest common denominator shit is being drilled into people's brains from an early age.ex: all the kids in a class are punished because one didn't follow the rules. the author needs to be wary of spreading enemy propaganda as that's going to start coming with a cost attached to it.

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Real men don't rape

These are not men or even young men, just stupid, violent boys.

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Re: Real men don't rape

They are all grown up enough to rape and so should face the harshest penalties available They aren't men though! They are pathetic pond slime.

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Re: Real men don't rape

Just boys? I've known many boys, to my knowledge rape was not a common pastime for them.

Animals, maybe.

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They only kidnapped, drugged and raped her...

If they had pirated a movie, or illegally accessed a computer, they would feel the full wrath of the law.

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Re: They only kidnapped, drugged and raped her...

If i knew you weren't being serious i'd call you an insensitive bastard, but seeing how some plonker has just had a 5 year stretch in bird for filimg films then i wont...

Justice is a fucking joke......

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