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Virtual women are more likely to be naked than virtual men, researchers at the Canadian University of Laval have revealed, after publishing a scientific paper on the topic. An analysis of nudity in Second Life led the Canadian duo Anna Lomanowska (a trick-cyclist) and Matthieu Guitton (a neuroscientist who specialises in " …

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Anonymous Coward

Was this research sponsored by Second Life?

An advertorial for SadVille perhaps? Isn't it dead yet?

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Second Life?

More virtual women are nude online in second life because:

All the real pretty ones are out on the town.

All the virtual nude ones belong to real ugly fat ones sitting behind a computer who never go out pretending to be the pretty ones in their virtual world.

With a small minority of nude virtual women being run by weird blokes with beards pretending to be women and getting a kick out of having a pair of virtual breasts.

Say it as it is.

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Re: Second Life?

quote: "With a small minority of nude virtual women being run by weird blokes with beards pretending to be women and getting a kick out of having a pair of virtual breasts."

I disagree, I highly doubt it is a small minority of female avatars being run by men. I'm going to cite Lara Croft as an example; what is the male:female player ratio for the Tomb Raider series, where you have no choice but to use a female avatar?

Blokes like looking at skimpily dressed / nude females, and creating a female avatar means you get to play dressup yourself; I'm sure a majority of guys running a female avatar are deliberately and specifically clothing it in a bikini, or nothing.

Also, the female gamer demographic is less moose-like than you think. Some of the "real pretty ones" are (happily?) married or in a stable relationship, and rather than being out on the town are inside playing WoW, or Farmville, or Second Life (wouldn't really call that a game, as much as a furry BDSM simulator though). Go through all your pretty female friends and actually ask them if they ever play games, from Angry Birds through to MMOs. You may be surprised at some of the answers :)

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Re: Second Life?

Maybe gaming ( I played Guildwars for a while - so much so I cant face buying GW2 for more of the same) is different to SL, but if youre going to spend a couple of hours more or less staring at a running arse whilst twitching at keys it might as well be a shapely female one.

Also - there are no women on teh interwebs!

Paris for staring at.

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OK we get it NS, you enjoy dressing up in skimpy outfits just like the rest of us.

(p.s. a wee hello from Chunky, ex of MLR)

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@NumptyScrub. Also doubt the 'small minority' notion, perhaps a followup study could measure correlation between % skin and beard length of player. Anecdotal, a girlfriend who worked as a catwalk model told me she got a kick out of playing as a male avatar during her WoW fad.

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Re: "there are no women on teh interwebs!"

This is simply not true, there are women on teh interwebs, I've even met some IRL.

However it is probably psychologically for the best to believe the statement to be true because whilst there may be women on the internet they're most likely not on the same part of the internet that you're on.

Consider chatting away to someone pretending to be female in a game, is it better to picture them as a bloke, or get carried away and then have a "crying game" moment later on?

I prefer to think the internet is still void of double X chromosome individuals despite evidence to the contrary.

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A small minority? What game are you playing?

Lots of women in WOW, a lot of them play male blood elves so they don't have to deal with people like you.

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quote: "OK we get it NS, you enjoy dressing up in skimpy outfits just like the rest of us."

Absolutely, as mentioned earlier I'd rather stare at a shapely female arse if I'm playing a 3rd person game. :D

That's probably because I'm a bearded techy troglodyte though ^^;

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Re: Second Life?

With a small minority of nude virtual women being run by weird blokes with beards pretending to be women and getting a kick out of having a pair of virtual breasts.

With the overwhelming majority of nude virtual women being run by weird blokes with beards pretending to be women and getting a kick out of having a pair of virtual breasts.

there fixed it for you.

mines the one that shows off my cleavage to best effect (sad but true :D)

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Re: Second Life?

I like a game where my girls can wear ridiculous frilly dresses and carry giant spears... making rusty hearts more or less the only game for me.

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Re: Second Life?@ NumptyScrub

Took your advice and asked 15 women between the ages of 28 and 37 if they played games on line.

11 said no, they had jobs and families that took up most of their time. 3 played solitaire and one, I say one just looked and raised her eyebrows and shook her head (the wife). I was then banished to the shed while the yummy mummy brigade had their weekly bash.

The consensus in the house was that if you have enough time to strut around as a naked avatar you:

1. Need to get out more

2. Need to look at your priorities

3. Need to get a job

4. Need to get a girlfriend

5. Exercise more

6. Learn how to talk to real people

7. Probably perverts

8. Fix the television

If you recall last year a recently married couple, who were on benefits and could not work because of their weight problems (seriously fat) played the game continuously next to each other on their computers using their 'perfect' body semi naked avatars.

The woman then divorced her husband because 'his' avatar had an affair with another avatar. I kid you not. She said she could no longer trust him.

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Re: Second Life? Men and their appendages

If naked male avatars could be generated with a large swinging penis I am sure statistics would show that the most of the men using said avatars were liars.

Strangely discriminatory, women avatars can have large breasts but men's cannot have a large appendage.

I say this is sex discrimination.

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Re: Second Life? Men and their appendages

You haven't actually played SL, have you?

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"perhaps a followup study could measure correlation between % skin and beard length of player."

and length of time player has lived in parents basement.

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Re: Second Life?

"Go through all your pretty female friends and actually ask them if they ever play games, from Angry Birds through to MMOs. You may be surprised at some of the answers :)"

My Facebook feed (not that I ever read it more than once a fortnight) is frequently polluted with status updates from my manager and their scores on some marble bouncing game. I read that, then I see her at work and try to suppress a smile. "You're, like, mid-40s, married, with kids, why the hell are you wasting time on Facebook's games?!". That said, it seems to be the females more than the males in my "friends" list that play these things, sometimes getting quite competitive about it. And the older women kick the younger ones asses regularly.

The demographic of who uses and enjoys this sort of stuff might surprise people...

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Re: Second Life?

My girlfriend played a large black male Tauren in World of Warcraft, and when I used to play, I was a pasty white female Blood Elf.

Confirmed.

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"Lots of women in WOW, a lot of them play male blood elves so they don't have to deal with people like you."

Or, conversely, because women like genderbending in games for exactly the same reasons that men do (I know, completely crazy!). But with the added benefit/incentive of not dealing with the aforementioned.

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You should probably take closer note of the times that your boss' status updates get posted.

As a parent with two young children, I can attest that after the kids go to sleep at 8:30 or 9, there is little else *to* do but fart around on facebook until I'm tired enough to sleep. At that time of day, any housework that hasn't already been done whilst the kids were awake is too exhausting to do that late in the day (or way too noisy), you can't really expect to go out with friends and leave the sleeping kids with your significant other (and besides, you don't have much time left to spend in the first place, especially on a weeknight). "Real" hobbies can sometimes get accomplished, but these days "marble madness" often qualifies for someone's hobby.

At least it's not the usual old pastime of pissing away your earnings on gambling and booze, so there's that!

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Jiggly quarian bumbum

Quite safe to google for the above - Mass Effect 3 MP character.

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" if youre going to spend a couple of hours more or less staring at a running arse whilst twitching at keys it might as well be a shapely female one."

I'm inclined to agree, though the reason is a bit odder than I realised at first.

I'm a bisexual male, my taste in men is really trashy (big, ripped meatheads). Now, a lot of male models in games are precisely this- but I've noticed that even the big, ripped males are designed in a very sketchy way. A lot more care (albeit probably lascivious) seems to be taken with the female models, and good grief, the arses are a great deal better- collapsing arse syndrome certainly isn't dead, despite the era of Unreal Tournament being over.

Doesn't bother me much, as if I have to stare at an arse (some games don't play as well, or don't even offer an option for first person), a nice curvy female one suits me just fine- but it was strange to realise that it's such an imbalance.

Of course, the problem is more likely me having a mind like a Welsh railway (one track and dirty). It does sound like I am a one-man objectification army- that's actually not the case.. most of the time, honest :)

(Anon for very obvious reasons, it'd be TMI for coworkers)

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I nominate these chaps for....

This years Ignobel pize

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Re: I nominate these chaps for....

Funny how they make the logical leap from "Well, measuring this in real life is too hard, so...", and then bugger the whole thing up with one collossal poor assumption. Namely, that Second Life has anything at all to do with First Life.

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WTF?

OMG Yawn...

I don't get how this study has any meaning beyond whatever its undoubtedly vital importance to the last four people in Sadville. How exactly does it relate to flashing one's tits or arse in real life and who exactly the fuck cares?

Have these people REALLY nothing more interesting to research?

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Re: OMG Yawn... @Ketln

>and who exactly the fuck cares?

Obviously you do otherwise you wouldn't have bothered to read the article and post your comment

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Re: OMG Yawn...

My tax dollars at work once again.

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Have these people REALLY nothing more interesting to research?

We can't all get into CERN (or in the US FermiLab).

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Goodness gracious

What a startling piece of research. I would never have guessed that female figures from a fantasy setting have less coverings than male figures from a fantasy setting unless they had told me.

Or, of course, unless I was someone who ventured into bookshops and comic shops where EVERY female figure in a fantasy setting wears the tanned hides of five mice while the hero is either armoured head to toe or has the whole 'loincloth and a big chopper' thing going on.

I really must consider going into research to get paid to state the bleedin' obvious.

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Re: Goodness gracious - " ... the tanned hides of five mice ..."

Softcore eh? I read comics where they use the hides of three small mice.

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Paid to state the bleedin' obvious...

...sounds like a career at Gartner to me.

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Re: Goodness gracious - " ... the tanned hides of five mice ..."

Look again.

Those aren't mice.

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Re: Goodness gracious - " ... the tanned hides of five mice ..."

reminds me of Red Sofia from Cerebus: -

Red Sofia: "What do you think of these?!" (Flashes breasts)

Cerebus:"If you stopped wearing chainmail the scars would go away."

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Re: Goodness gracious

... while the [male] hero is either armoured head to toe or has the whole 'loincloth and a big chopper' thing going on.

Well if his chopper was called Brainbiter, then sometimes he'd go "sky clad" too.

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@frank ly

Coward! I just by porn.

No, I jest, no one buys porn, anymore.

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Who'd have guessed

So guys pretending to be women online will wear skimpy clothing because lets face it that is who these people are.

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Re: Who'd have guessed

While I'll grant that probably accounts for a great deal more than the researchers attribute to it, some of them probably are women who would never be caught wearing clothing like that at home let alone in public. The real world has real, lasting consequences. Yes, men should control themselves, but wear clothing like that in public and your chances of being raped go up, so you don't do it. Act like a floozie and there are adverse consequences. In the virtual world none of that happens.

In a non-computer RPG I played once upon a time, the most conservative of the female players played a seductive floozie in game. In fact one of the funniest moments in our play happened when her character tried to seduce my uber-geek, no social skills character. She rolled a straight up success to seduce him. I said "Brooke looks up and says 'you're not a computer' and goes back to hacking away on his computer.' This was followed by me rolling a critical success and much laughter.

Another case study: Felica Day and The Guild. The character in the RPG is much more of a flirt than the character she plays in the script. Which mirrors her actions in real life. She may be happy to toss off an innuendo or three while talking on stage, but when some asks 'does the drapery match the curtains' he gets escorted out of the room (and probably by fans if security isn't fast enough).

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@Tom 13 Re: Who'd have guessed

"...toss off an innuendo or three ..."

I saw what you did there :)

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Meanwhile, back IRL...

... they could've just gone out one weekend in Newcastle, Leeds, Manchester, or any other major city. Of course, gathering the measurements needed to prove the argument would've put them at greater risk of being punched in the face...

They should get out more...

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My Next Research Paper

I'm off to submit my research grant application for:

"A Ten-year Study of Coastal Erosion in Sim City"

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University of East Anglia...

... would probably fund that providing you could link it to SIM sea levels rising due to global warming.

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Great work everybody...

Is it fair to assume that funding for this would have been less forthcoming if the title had been 'Virtual Environment Reveals Sex-Dependent Nature of Skin Disclosure'?

Also this smacks of a researcher who was supposed to be working having spent a year messing about on the internet and suddenly getting an ultimatum to publish something.

Glad I'm not paying Canadian taxes.

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In other news...

The duo also discovered an unusually large number of really horrible indy/hipster bands that no one has ever heard of on Myspace.

Keep at it my friends in The Great White North. We don't call you America's Hat for nothing!

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What a waste of a morning

> After studying 400 avatars

> physical attractiveness [ was equated to ] the waist-chest ratios

An alternative theory is that some researcher got caught playing a computer game by his/her/its boss and made up some cockamamie story about "research" and "virtual worlds". Then they found they had to follow through when the boss said "Carry on, I look forward to reading your conclusions".

So far, so fair enough. However the really sad part of the whole affair is that after scxrambling around for an hour or two to knock together some words and meaningless statistics of dubious quality, they managed to find a publication gullible desperate enough for material to accept, and peer-review, it.

Coming next, maybe: the effect of a hang-over on FPS scores?

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Re: What a waste of a morning

>Coming next, maybe: the effect of a hang-over on FPS scores?

See now, if you are going to do that then you have to be thorough. The effects of being slightly tipsy on your Scores, then being drunk.. then being absolutely blottoed, THEN the effects of a hangovers at all different levels. All the way from "ouch my head hurts" to "OMG I WANT TO DIE!!"

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Re: What a waste of a morning

I'd like to see a study on how they change during the process of drinking. My friends have noticed an amusing trend that the more I drink, the better I become on FPS's.

I've come to the conclusion that this is due to me relaxing, and being less twitchy while aiming and so getting better at aiming....

Few years later we'll see the argument for giving all the troops rations of beer when out in the field ;)

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Re: What a waste of a morning

@Pete 2

I wish I could upvote this more than once as I am still giggling at your theory

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Re: journal of irreproducible results.

Nope.

I'm pretty sure if somebody were to give me a $100,000 grant I could reproduce those results within an acceptable margin of error.

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Anonymous Coward

Bloody students

Get a job.

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Happy

Is this a problem?

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