Feeds

back to article Dead Steve Jobs' mega yacht seized by testy Philippe Starck

Steve Jobs' luxury yacht has been impounded in Amsterdam port after French designer Philippe Starck's bill wasn't paid. Bailiffs boarded the shiny new boat, named Venus, last Wednesday and have chained it to the dock, the Dutch newspaper Financieele Dagblad reported. Venus has been seized over Starck's claim that Jobs' estate …

COMMENTS

This topic is closed for new posts.

Page:

Bronze badge
Thumb Up

bailiffs?

well I know bailiff are only interested in recovering the sum owed , not getting value for money.

I'll certainly get 9m together if i get a 150m yacht out of it!

3
1
Anonymous Coward

Boats

Boats are meant to look pretty, with curves and shape, this one looks ugly and deserves to sink.

9
0

This post has been deleted by its author

Anonymous Coward

Re: Boats

Don't worry, it is controlled by iMacs, once the dinky fans pack up they will overheat and crash, causing iScow to smash up on the rocks or sail into a hurricane.

2
2

No contract?

No contract + dead customer (generally) = loss.

oops.

9
0
FAIL

Re: No contract?

Yep - how hard would it have been for Philippe to say "I'll have my people talk to your people about the paperwork"? Relying on friendship for a business deal for someone generally acknowledged to be pretty ruthless in business affairs was careless. Hoping that his estate will honour some verbal deal is downright foolish.

9
0

Re: No contract?

I don't know about wherever you guys live, but certainly in the UK a verbal contract is exactly as legally binding as anything on paper. Proving it ever happened is another matter, of course.

Seemingly that applies in the Netherlands too, otherwise that boat wouldn't have been seized.

6
1
Anonymous Coward

Re: No contract?

I'm guessing they were not involved in the discussions, so it's Stark's opinion versus none ?

Leave the family alone, the reward for the work seems ample. Someone husband / father has died - it's going to be painful enough.

0
11
Silver badge
Boffin

Re: No contract?

This seems to be a bit much about nothing...

Yes there is the issue of a verbal contract.

Then there is this thing called probate where the executor and the lawyers work out which bills are to be paid and what taxes are to be charged, along with the value of the estate...

Could be that Starke jumped the gun.

0
0
Go

Dutch news...

Says the family claims Jobs agreed to 6% of the cost of the yacht, and that Starck has been paid in full.

Starck claims 6% was discussed but the final bill was €9M, so he's still €3M short.

Either way, it's clear I should start designing boats instead of commenting on El Reg...

6
0
Silver badge

Re: Dutch news...

Yup, apparently the bar is quite low!

3million is an expensive way to learn the value of contracts.

1
0
Silver badge

I should start designing boats instead of commenting on El Reg...

From the look of that boat you don't even need to be any good at it.

19
0
Gold badge

Re: I should start designing boats instead of commenting on El Reg...

From the look of that boat you don't even need to be any good at it.

I think "it floats" is enough. Personally, I'm glad this thing will possibly never see another harbour. For someone who has put together very impressive designs, this tub looks like he was compensating for that. Ugh.

1
0
Anonymous Coward

Re: I should start designing boats instead of commenting on El Reg...

I venture to doubt that Starck did the bit from the keel to the sheer strake- you know, the bit that makes it a boat rather than a wet caravan.

0
0
Silver badge
Thumb Down

€9M, €6M or €3M

Anyway you cut it, the tub is hideous.

17
0
Silver badge
Happy

Re: €9M, €6M or €3M

St Steve was obviously planning on taking out a patent on boats with square corners....

1
1
Silver badge

Always have contracts

As a photographer, even for a family wedding, always have a written record. Doesn't have to be formal, even for pro bono work, just a basic statement of expectations etc. Haven't ever done work for friends or family for profit, they cover any costs upfront, no room for misunderstandings.

Given he did design work (so not as much out of pocket as say construction), has no written proof and claims it was with a friend I find it in poor taste to impound the skiff. Your friend died, yes it's not an insignificant sum but you aren't going to starve. If you can't work it out amicably (say split the difference) then you grow a pair and walk away. What would your friend say of your treatment of his family? I would haunt your ass! No written contract = your loss.

6
1
Bronze badge

Re: Always have contracts

Agree with the "always have contracts" side of things but playing devil's advocate the Jobs estate is also not going to starve and might also be expected to work this out amicably for the sake of the family.

What would Jobs say of his estate's treatment of a friend?

7
0
Anonymous Coward

Re: Always have contracts

F*ck 'em?

6
0
FAIL

Re: Always have contracts

He'd say something along the lines of "One born every minute".

Knowing the Jobsian bandwagon, Starck's design would be replaced by one slightly smaller which casts 10% more in 6 month's time anyway.

6
4

This post has been deleted by its author

Silver badge

Re: Always have contracts

You are correct, they won't starve, the thing that would swing it for me is simply the lack of a contract. It's extremely unlikely he will get that 3 million if the estate chooses to fight so (at least as far as I can see) all he stands to get is ill will. Personally I would chalk it up to experience and not screw with a family friendship, but then again I don't design $150m tubs and it's easy to say that when it's not my money. I've written off quite a bit over the years for wedding shoots where invariably the bride caught the groom cheating a few days before the wedding (this happens a scary amount of times). My contract says I keep the lot but I generally ensure I'm not out of pocket and refund the rest. I'm no saint but I figure its the right thing to do and it's won me plenty of referrals \ repeat business.

As an aside, did I read that it came in hugely under budget? Thats impressive!

1
1
Silver badge
Pint

Re: Always have contracts

"He'd say something along the lines of 'One born every minute'."

And if they can convince another 30 that it's 'cool', you can get 31 a minute!

0
0
Bronze badge
FAIL

Re: Always have contracts

" What would your friend say of your treatment of his family? I would haunt your ass! No written contract = your loss."

If the rolls were reversed...Jobs would screw HIS family out of the money in a nanosecond.

7
0
Anonymous Coward

They might and they might not. I don't know them and I am (probably foolishly) basing it off what I would do. I just don't expect him to get far without a contract \ proof so has little chance of gaining anything and every chance of it tarnishing his reputation and damaging a friendship.

0
0
Bronze badge

Re: Always have contracts

No.. More likely, Jobs would demand full payment, and then claim he left him the boat too, but forgot to put it in his will.

0
0

Wrong assumption

You are all assuming that no contract means that the ship belongs to his family. It's just as likely that if there is no contract then it belongs by default to the person who designed and had it built...

0
2
Mushroom

Re: Wrong assumption

You right - You have a wrong assumption.

The yacht belongs to who ever is the registered owner. Its not a difficult concept.

Sure as eggs are omelettes in progress, the designer has no claim or lien on the boat.

Frankly, I am highly surprised that the Dutch court even entertain the notion of arresting the vessel. This is a last chance saloon type action and as the plaintiff you have to produce some pretty heavy and water tight argument to make it stick. Like a contract, an invoice, a latter of protest for non-payment of said invoice.

Rocking up in Den Haag, saying that this dead geezer owes me 3M, but I got nothing to prove it, should have got him thrown out on his ear.

0
0
Silver badge

Re: Wrong assumption

No, but I assumed they were the ones Phillipe is saying are liable for the bill as it was stated with was a verbal contract between Phillipe and Steve.

I assume, for tax purposes, the registered owner is actually a dachsund somewhere in the Caymen Islands.

6
0
Silver badge
FAIL

Re: Wrong assumption

The one who designed it is not the one who had it built, so that's you who's made a wrong assumption. Even if the designer hasn't yet received a single penny, he has no title to the floating thingie. That would lie with either the builder, or the person who ordered the floating showoff thingie, depending on the amount of money that had moved from the latter to the former and the contract between them.

0
0
Silver badge

Plus Phillipe Starck designs a lot of different things, I doubt he did much more than provide an aesthetic guide, an engineer would (hopefully) actually drawn up the designs otherwise it would likely end up a seaweed farm somewhere.

Isn't ownership normally held by the constructor until it is released to a company registered in whatever country has the most friendly terms for a flag.

0
0
Anonymous Coward

Being pedantic, a naval architect would draw up the plans to an appropriate standard - usually Lloyds - and a surveyor - or in this case more than one surveyor - would monitor the construction. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to get the thing insured, and without insurance if you did any serious damage to anything and had plenty of assets, your life would not be worth living. Even if you were Steve Jobs.

0
0
Bronze badge

let us hope

That in tribute to late owner the authorities docked it in a handicapped spot.

3
0
Silver badge

Dead Steve Jobs

Is there also an "Alive" Steve Jobs.

1
0
Silver badge

Re: Wrong assumption

Probably quite a few, there were more Dave Gorman's the I expected! (google "are you dave gorman").

I doubt many of the Steve's have $105m dinghys

0
0
Silver badge
Alien

Re: Dead Steve Jobs? Elvis lives on ...

THIRTY-FIVE years after he stopped breathing.

Of coarse Jobs no doubt walks around haunting people, to. Some magazines, such as Slate, still have advertisements running as if he was still here.

0
0
Silver badge

Is there also an "Alive" Steve Jobs.

No, but there's an UNDEAD Steve Jobs, shuffling slowly towards Amsterdam, feasting on BRAAAAAIIIIINNNNSSS!!!

0
0
Bronze badge
Devil

Re: Dead Steve Jobs

Probably, look in your local phone directory.

0
0
Bronze badge

Re: Dead Steve Jobs

> Is there also an "Alive" Steve Jobs.

Do androids count?

0
0
Ru
Headmaster

Hurrgh

"Venus was originally costed at €150m"

The butchery of English involved in this sentence has actually nausead me.

5
0
FAIL

Re: Hurrgh

And I was nauseated by "nausead"...

3
3
Anonymous Coward

Jobs family have a problem with pricing?

Who'd have thunk it?!

"Venus was originally costed at €150m, which would have entitled Starck to €9m in total, but Jobs' heirs say the actual cost was €105m"

That's an impressive underspend for a mega-yacht project!

0
0

Re: Jobs family have a problem with pricing?

€150m was for version two - the one with retina displays.

1
0
Silver badge
Happy

Re: Jobs family have a problem with pricing?

I would suspect that no exact cost was ever calculated as it is peanuts anyway, just too round to be exact. Perhaps an upper limit, who knows. Quite a difficult tin to get rid of for 105m.

0
0
Silver badge

Re: Jobs family have a problem with pricing?

So the heirs do have some paperwork?

1
0
Gold badge

Re: Jobs family have a problem with pricing?

"Venus was originally costed at €150m, which would have entitled Starck to €9m in total, but Jobs' heirs say the actual cost was €105m"

That's an impressive underspend for a mega-yacht project!

To be honest, I rather suspect their bookkeeper is mildly dyslexic...

0
0
Coat

iSore

Mr Starck should go and donate the full amount he received for this monstrosity to some charitable cause, then sink the ugly vessel in pursuit of another good cause: taste.

6
0
Pirate

Re: iSore

Definitely, that has to be the ugliest boat I have ever seen.

In fact it's the ugliest *anything* I've ever seen.

Skull n Bones, cos it needs to be boarded and scuppered immediately.

1
0
Silver badge

Re: iSore

In fact it's the ugliest *anything* I've ever seen.

You are unaware of the Fiat Multipla? Good for you.

2
0
Silver badge

Re: iSore

As David Hockney said:

"Always live in the ugliest house on the street... that way, you don't have to look at it."

0
0

Page:

This topic is closed for new posts.