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Members of the largest remaining group of Native Americans, the Cherokee, have built the first local language pack for Windows 8, just 27 years after the launch of the original Windows. "The project started with Tracy Monteith, a Cherokee citizen in North Carolina who worked at Microsoft, who'd wanted it done for a long time but …

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Anonymous Coward

Can we have a Welsh Edition?

No!

Racists...

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IT Angle

Re: Welsh edition

Don't see why not.

Contact the languages dept at University of Wales aka Coleg Prifysgol Cymru.

Welsh is actually a very good language for speech input/output as each letter group has a fixed sound, unlike English.....

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Windows 7 claims to support Welsh, but it seems you have to upgrade to Ultimate (@ £125 from Home Premium) if you want it.

Anything less and it does very little - oddly enough, it will display clock & calendar in Welsh, but not much else.

Same applies to any other language, of course.

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Re: Welsh edition

Prifysgol Cymru means "University of Wales". No need for the "Coleg" unless you are referring to one of the constituent colleges, like Prifysgol Cymru Coleg Caerdydd.

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Joke

It would be easy too, just set up a regex to remove all the vowels from one of the other language packs and you're done.

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Welsh on KDE since 2003

You could always help

http://www.zdnet.com/welsh-desktop-linux-project-is-making-slow-progress-3039246204/

http://l10n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=cy

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Welsh Edition

Control Panel > Region and Language > Format > Welsh (United Kingdom)

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Linux

If you use Linux you can.

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Re: Welsh on KDE since 2003

Another example of why using free opensource software is better.

It doesn't matter it supporting something is economically worth it, there is far more change of a minority language being supported in KDE than any other desktop I have seen.

Most distro's still ship with ddate (the discordian calendar) ....

Today is Prickle-Prickle, the 62nd day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3178

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What about the 256 character limit? That screws Welsh over every time.

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Merkey?

There was a guy named Merkey, a real "character", who claimed to be doing a Cherokee operating system (during the SCO we-own-Linux circus). I wonder if he's found greener pastures?

Seems like the market for a Cherokee-language OS would be rather small, but then again, what do I know about it?

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Still won't make METRO fly

so can we have a Cornish Version next?

Mines the one with a big pasty and slice of yarg in the pocket.

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Re: Still won't make METRO fly

Well you can have Firefox in Cornish and many other languages. Strangely Cherokee is not one of them.

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Coffee/keyboard

Re: Still won't make METRO fly

Come 'ed, wack, why not go all the way and do a scouse one?

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Re: Still won't make METRO fly

You can have it on Gnome

https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/gnome-doc-utils/+pots/gnome-doc-utils/kw/+translate

or KDE

http://packages.ubuntu.com/ca/oneiric/language-pack-kde-kw-base

and help improve it

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Happy

Re: Still won't make METRO fly

They already did a Scouse one back in the 90s: Documents came up as "My Shite", Recycle as "Other Peoples Shite", etc....

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no translation for Windows Update?

Or would have been represented as an obscenity, and thus not translated?

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Re: no translation for Windows Update?

I guess it fell on the side of it being a name rather than a description. Like the names Oracle or Microsoft, you just leave them as is.

Otherwise, what would be the proper translation? A transliteration, like "goo guh" for Google (as in Chinese). Or an attempted description, like "forked tongue up your ..." Who would decide which company it fit best?

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Cherokee fonts

Lets hope the Cherokee fonts are not disabled with Microsofts next patch releases...

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Well it's a start

Now they just need to hand the country back to the native Americans that it was stolen from.

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Not the first, I think

The first thing to note is that America != USA

So, with that in mind, there are several Windows XP in aboriginal languages, including Quechua (Bolivia) and Mapundungún (or Mapuzungún).

https://www.microsoft.com/chile/mapuzugun/

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Re: Not the first, I think

Each of those two has more native speakers than Cherokee (16,400 per the wikis) and use a Latin alphabet. Quechua also has the privilege of being an official language in two countries.

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Re: Not the first, I think

Not true actually when used alone 'America' does refer to the USA which is in North America, the country you mention is in South America, two separate continents from a geographical/geological/plate techtonics point of view. The two continents collided several million years back. When referring to the two together they are called 'The Americas' (plural), well at least in English (English English not Amerglish). Off hand I don't know any other country in the Americas which actually have 'America' in their name.

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Consumer reports say you're best to swerve it, no matter what the language

Another of the imminent torrent of "Windows 8 is shite" reports:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Consumer-Reports-Windows-8-Upgrade-Donna-Tapellini-Modern-UI,19878.html

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Re: Consumer reports say you're best to swerve it, no matter what the language

This one is lovely:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WTYet-qf1jo#!

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Reg Commentors, I am disappoint.

Where are all the jokes about which web server should be in the package?

Not *one* reference to the joke:

*nix like Teepee

No Gates

No Windows

Apache inside

Seriously? Not one?

Son, I am disappoint.

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Re: Reg Commentors, I am disappoint.

I understand their tag line was going to "The How starts now".

That was after they nixed "Windows How?"...

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How about Windows in English?

... or must we continue to be forced to use American? (even when all region and locale settings have been set to UK)

Typing 'Favourites' into the Win7 Start Menu search box returns nothing.

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Re: How about Windows in English?

But think of all the wear and tear on your "u" key you are saving!

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Re: How about Windows in English?

You beat me to it.

Can we have Windows in English?

I have enough to do subclassing all the classes with colour and methods with centre - sorry cannot bring my self to type the crap names.

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Re: How about Windows in English?

I used to #define UK spellings for library functions in C++ but decided I needed to chill out about it and stopped.

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Re: How about Windows in English?

KDE: http://l10n.kde.org/team-infos.php?teamcode=en_GB

Gnome: http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/en_GB/

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Just let it die already.

What practical use is speaking Cherokee in everyday life? It's about as worthwhile as leaning to speak Klingon. Stop trying to preserve it as a living language - just document everything for future academics to examine, and let the language die out.

Then stop being proud of where your many-times-great grandparent came from. It isn't important.

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Re: Just let it die already.

Stop being square (since we're telling people what to do/do not do)

The pleasures in my life are not decided solely on their practicalities!

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Stop

Re: Just let it die already.

It is not totally frivolous if you live near Cherokee N.C. where I grew up. White people get a lot of respect from the Cherokee for even expressing interest in their culture. It helped me get some dates in high school I probably wouldn't have been allowed to go on by their parents if I hadn't been taking classes to learn the language.

So there.

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Re: Just let it die already.

Probably more usefull than Welsh.

Remember Cherokee was there before English

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Re: Just let it die already.

Welsh was here before English, too.

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Re: Just let it die already.

Written Cherokee was not invented until 1821 though.

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Re: Just let it die already.

Yet again another success for Dave's law "Blokes will do anything if they think they might get their hole"

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Anonymous Coward

Re: cherokee dates

did you get to pokahontas?

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Anonymous Coward

Re: Just let it die already.

"Welsh was here before English, too."

So was ancient Egyptian, but I don't hear or see much of that now.

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Re: Just let it die already.

Ancient Egyptian survived as Coptic, still used in Egypt in the Coptic church.

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How ay

Givvus Geordie man

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Re: How ay

Ah divnt nah like... If wa let thm naah what wa tahkn aboot, thn thll nah how tu intaacept wa secrut messagus afta wa have tu gan every man forum self (afta them Myans dee their stuff on Frida).

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Most exciting news since the trailer for Microsoft 500 Nations with Kevin Costner

I'm surprised El Reg hasn't picked up on the fact that Windows 8 is the first release that has the option of English with correct spellings, or as they call it "English - Great Britain"

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How

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"it's the biggest project since the [Cherokee] translation of the Bible."

Why did they translate the bible? Why not the life of Horus?

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Stockholm syndrome I can only presume.

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i`d demand $1 for every error message i translated

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The writing system has a unique history

I wondered about the strange characters in the screen shot, and looked up what Wikipedia says about the Cherokee language. Absolutely fascinating! It seems a Cherokee called Sequoyah developed this on his own in 1821, which Wikipedia says is "the only time in recorded history that a member of a non-literate people independently created an effective writing system."

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