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Apple sold 2 million iPhone 5s in the three days in China after the device went on official sale on Friday. It's a sales figure that is solid, but will not see buyers in the east Asian country replacing Apple's lucrative markets of Europe and the US in a hurry. iPhone 5s in China achieved a market penetration that was just 25 …

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El Reg hasn't even covered the Samasung SIII/Note malware vulnerability yet but runs another riff on last week's iPhone 5 China launch.

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You mean this article?

Posted at 06:19 this (17th December) Morning.

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Oh—that's where they buried it, not on the frontpage. Yeah I missed it there.

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Wow, you get your own private Reg front page? That's not fair - I want one too. I only get the miserable regular front page which did include that article.

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Private Reg front page

Actually, that's a damned good suggestion. Something like an iGoogle-style thing for logged-in users which will promote certain types of stories to the top for your perusal, should you set it up to do so.

Something to suggest in here, perhaps?

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While the reg does seem to miss out on big news about Google, like Guido leaving, they generally seem to be nicer to Microsoft, one f their big advertisers (from what I can see). They just mention Apple as many times as possible to get people to look at the site. That's why we get the dumbest and most pointless articles about Apple.

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El Reg cover the minutai that are important as the headlines

El Reg can't be bothered with immaterial big story, it leaves that to the plagiarising Charles Arthur from the Guardian - the resident Apple Troll to puff up nothing.

Listen to what he says today about Apple non-sales: "sales in world's largest smartphone market beat expectations . He explained that "observers" the launch was "was low-key" - obvious; Apple talk for the huge no-shows.

El Reg goes for the meat, they actually investigate things not just wait for Apple to supply a pre-written story fit for press.

As for Apple, it's a failure as Cupertino doesn't supply the Chinese market needs.

P.S. iThingy 5 just arrived in VietNam - all 6,000 pieces. This in a country where the human population is around 90-million and the handset/cell population (of working units) is 140-million. Another Apple success story?

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>They just mention Apple as many times as possible to get people to look at the site. That's why we get the dumbest and most pointless articles about Apple.

...and why we get the "dumbest and most pointless" fanboise's fawning comments about Apple.

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If they want to sell more in china they only need to bring out a red iphone which would treble sales within minutes.

Red is considered a lucky colour, and 54% of phones sold are that colour.

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.....why we get the dumbest and most pointless articles about Apple, and the most pointless and ridiculous comments from their purchasers.

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A great many Chinese still live in villages with one donkey between them.

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What are you smoking.

"Apple sold 2 million iPhone 5s in the three days in China after the device went on official sale on Friday."

2 million, in one country in 3 days? What are you smoking to say this isn't important?

I understand that you are playing to the cheap seats but when Apple ships 2 million units in 3 days and you carp when compared to Samsung that does about 5 million a quarter of the SIII what is the point?

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Re: What are you smoking.

Yes, I'll take Asymco's expert insight and analysis over Ms Leaches amateur slag-Apple-fest any day of the week.

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Re: What are you smoking.

Did you read the article or just the headline?

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Re: What are you smoking.

It's funny because when I mentioned the author's name in a previous post, the mods rejected it.

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Re: What are you smoking.

Given the style of Leach articles, I'm pretty sure she is actually a 13 year old boy who received an andorid phone this year.

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What are you smoking.

Interesting that the Fanbois are throwing up Samsung as a comparison - they obviously recognise who the competition is, especially since Samsung outsold Apple.

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Re: What are you smoking.

"Interesting that the Fanbois are throwing up Samsung as a comparison - they obviously recognise who the competition is, especially since Samsung outsold Apple."

Samsung is the top selling smartphone brand. What's the point of comparing to HTC or Motorola?

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@JaitcH 17/12/12 22:25

"..they obviously recognise who the competition is, especially since Samsung outsold Apple..."

Proton outsold Aston Martin last year.

Proving what, exactly?

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Re: @JaitcH 17/12/12 22:25

aston martins are better than protons. so its completely opposite. so it proves that the brainwashing might be restricted to just a few plebs and maybe there is hope for the world.

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Grey imports...

How do the figures stack up if all of the grey imports sold over the last few months are included?

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"Still, 2 million sales in 3 days nothing to sneer at"

I think you just did.

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Customer response to iPhone 5 in China has been incredible, setting a new record with the best first weekend sales ever in China,

Headline wrong, again.

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Erm...

...setting a new record FOR APPLE...

Fanboise thinking, wrong again.

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Yet over on Ars Technica....

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Apple's push into China is making some inroads, as indicated by the iPhone 5 launch in China this past weekend. The company announced Monday morning that it sold over 2 million iPhone 5 handsets in greater China in the last three days—a new record launch in that market for Apple. The number is particularly impressive given that the iPhone 5 isn't available on China's largest carrier, China Mobile.

"Customer response to iPhone 5 in China has been incredible, setting a new record with the best first weekend sales ever in China," said Tim Cook, Apple's CEO. "China is a very important market for us and customers there cannot wait to get their hands on Apple products."

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I gotta ask, who's the biased out of reality side here?

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What?

You've "gotta ask, who's the biased out of reality side here" when reading reports about Apple and choosing between Anna Leach and "Tim Cook, Apple's CEO"

Good God "Chad"

What have you been smoking?

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The venomous Leach at it again.

China has a market big enough for about 100 million smart phones per year, many of which are cheap and nasty kit that doesn't compete with the iPhone. 2 million out of that number in a weekend isn't to be sneezed at (but I'm sure Ms Leach will try to find some other way of dissmissing that).

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Re: The venomous Leach at it again.

That's maybe another one of Apple's problems.

Many attribute 'cheap and nasty' comments as chav like.

Thus we end up with the impression is that the iPhone is a chav phone.

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Re: The venomous Leach at it again.

When the manufacturer is asking the question "How much less than $100 can I make a smart phone for" then I assure you that the comment is very relevant. The Chinese manufacturers are perfectly able to produce better quality stuff, buy much of their buying public can't afford it.

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Re: The venomous Leach at it again.

"cheap and nasty kit that doesn't compete with the iPhone."

Given that Apple fans managed to put up with a phone that, over the years, couldn't do video chat, multitasking, copy/paste, homescreens, picture messaging, 3G, apps, or even be a smartphone at all in its first incarnation, that must be some pretty nasty kit to be criticised.

Or perhaps actually, people are buying smartphones that are more than good enough for their needs, and easily compete with the stuff that Apple puts out. Latest flagship feature, the same but slighty bigger?

As for sales, I don't need to dismiss it - it's simply of zero importance to me. I don't see you worshipping Android or Samsung for their massive Apple-overwhelming sales. Even Nokia sell more phones still - but I bet you'll find a way to dismiss that.

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Re: The venomous Leach at it again.

You seem to have confused features with well built or expensive. Having a camera built into your phone doesn't mean that the images that it creates are good, or even usable in some cases.

You also seem to have a very shallow view of the world. The 5 has a much faster CPU and GPU, tougher screen, a back that won't crack, LTE radio, better front camera and bigger screen in a smaller, lighter package. I can't think of a significant bit of hardware that Apple skipped (and no, NFC doesn't count, it's a technology looking for a use).

These cheap Chinese phones tend to be based around ARM11 CPUs, have low resolution resistive touch screens, small amounts of RAM and flash, small batteries and cheap plastic cases. To use a car analogy, there are many people who find that a Proton is sufficient for their needs, and they couldn't afford a BMW or a Mercedes anyway, but that doesn't mean that there's no market for BMWs or that Proton is taking sales from them.

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Re: The venomous Leach at it again.

Steve mate!

iPhone, the buzz died years ago! Are your aware?

iPhone was been leapfrogged, spectacularly, by Apple competitors.

Shall I NFC you the link, oh! sorry! your phone can't do that.

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Re: The venomous Leach at it again.

6 years (near enough) later and its still the same old shite. Change the record, means nothing.

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Another Anna Leach negative Apple story.

Do give it a rest and find something more interesting to write about.

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Apples reality distortion field in action

http://www.slashgear.com/heavy-subsidies-saved-apples-iphone-5-china-launch-17261190/

Ho Ho Ho....down she goes :-)

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Re: Apples reality distortion field in action @derp 17/12/12 18:20

"...Heavily subsidized carrier deals helped Apple set its new Chinese sales record, it’s been suggested, with strong demand for discounted iPhone 5 handsets offsetting low traffic in the company’s own stores..."

Q. And how does this differ from the UK where the vast majority of upmarket phones are carrier subsidised on 2-yr deals?

A. It doesn't at all.

It is a mere "suggestion" - (note: suggestion, not confirmed as fact, possibly merely an idea in the author's mind) which the troll here implies is factual.

Meanwhile, in the UK, it's been suggested that acting as a Leach acolyte will get you out of short trousers more quickly and make doing your homework less of a chore...

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"across a potential customer base of 815 million"

Not quite as population != potential customer base. Certainly just because China has a population of 1.3 billion it can't make sense to think that is the potential number of customers. Even ignoring financial resources there is a lot in the demographics that would rule out many people as ever being a customer. It's a bit like saying the market in Hungary is the same as Somalia as both have a population of ~10 million. It totally ignores factors like per capita GDP, which is about $19k for Hungary vs $600 in Somalia, and median age, over 40 and under 18 respectively. But sure, if your brush is broad enough it's the same thing, right?

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Re: "across a potential customer base of 815 million"

But if they launch the iIncontinancePad they will get close to 100% with the iNappy reaching the other end of the age range.

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Re: "across a potential customer base of 815 million"

What, your baby doesn't shop for smart phones?

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Re: "across a potential customer base of 815 million"

"Re: "across a potential customer base of 815 million"

What, your baby doesn't shop for smart phones?"

Yeah, they bought iPhone, till I returned it and told the kids that they are not pikeys.

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How many genuine sales?

Only a couple of people queued to buy one it seems...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/14/us-apple-china-iphone-idUSBRE8BC1FD20121214

"Unlike the crowds that the iPhone 5 debut drew in many cities around the world since September, just one person was waiting at the Apple store in Shanghai's financial district when its doors opened at 9 a.m. on Friday."

I'm personally calling BS on Apple's numbers, which I'm guessing because it's China, can be easily faked... to keep shareholders happy, and stop Apple stock sliding even further.

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Re: How many genuine sales?

Quite simple they had an enforced reservation system so no point queuing,

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Re: How many genuine sales?

BS on Apple's figures - really - how could they fake it - people would end up in jail.

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Yes, because we always see business types jailed and multi-national businesses for fraudulent actions - see recent HSBC related activities for a complete and thorough refutation of that.

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Uh........perhaps it has something to do with average income?

Have you given any thought to the possibility that iPhone sales are not higher because, for the average Chinese citizen, paying $700 for a cell phone is just not an option? China is still a poor country. Perhaps you should travel there sometime. The average monthly salary for a college educated engineer is $2500, while the cost of living has increased dramatically in China. Yes, there are some Chinese citizens who have the disposable income to pay for an iPhone, but this is still a very small percentage as compared to the population of an average Chinese city - even Beijing or Shanghai.

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Re: Uh........perhaps it has something to do with average income?

I think you got the currency wrong there. An average salary for college educated people would be a lot closer to 2500 RMB than USD.

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China is still a poor country? Spheroids to THAT!

China has much more real money than the USA. The USA borrows money from China! The USA is bankrupt.

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Re: Uh........perhaps it has something to do with average income?

Average income in China (2011) about $5000, and 170 million still below poverty line (about $500/year). So not unreasonable that a lot of people want the best they can get for under $100 rather than the most expensive thing on the market, even if it is better.

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The signoff is the important bit

It's not the Apple sales figures which matter, it's the bit in the copy which says "With Apple sales flatlining in Europe". The iPhone just isn't cool any more, it's the S3 the kids want

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Re: The signoff is the important bit

I know no kids who want a S3 whereas plenty want iDevices.

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