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A jury in the US District Court in Delaware has ruled that Apple infringed on three patents owned by MobileMedia Ideas LLC of Chevy Chase, MD. "We're very pleased," MobileMedia CEO Larry Horn told Bloomberg. "We think it's justified." MobileMedia Ideas, reports the Los Angeles Times, is a patent holding company formed by Sony, …

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Surely a mistake

Apple would never use another's patents without proper license, why that'd make them almost a US version of Samsung .....wait a minute.....

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Meh

I see it is time

To make some apple juice.

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Re: Surely a mistake

No mistake, each of the jurors left the court and were observed making calls on bright yellow phones. When confronted the jury Forman commented ," so it's a new Nokia win8 phone, I won it in a raffle, though I don't remember buying any tickets, but look 10 years worth of free calls!"

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Re: Surely a mistake

Ah finally Apple is getting a dose of its own medicine. Sweet.

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Re: Re: Surely a mistake

"Ah finally Apple is getting a dose of its own medicine. Sweet." And just in time for Christmas! I hope the MMI team insist on a complete and immediate sales ban of all infringing Apple handsets until the fine and patent payments are set....

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Re: Surely a mistake

You forget they are ALL at it - the stakes are too high not to. Everyone wants to patent anything on the slight off-chance they can claim it's being infridged years later. Often they have not even used the technology - we might as well go around patenting most of the stuff in Star Trek as one day it may come true.

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Re: Surely a mistake

Do you mean slate like portable input devices that can be activated by either touch, a stylus or by voice command?

Or perhaps does that open automatically as you open them (with or without the swoosh noise).

Or perhaps you were referring to the flat screen computer terminals that double as both display and input device.

Replicator, One Guinness Cold.

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Re: Surely a mistake - Star Trek

Ah, but Gene Rodenbury did patent most the technology ideas and then bequeathed them to the general public in his will as wanted people to have the chance to deevlop upon them. Alas the look and feel are a different matter resulting in their holder (is it Sony or Time Warner) threatening anyone who make anything even close to resembling the look.

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WTF?

Invalidated due to obviousness?

As opposed to "Slide to unlock" which is pure genius, and had not been seen ever before, certainly not on fence gates.

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Re: Invalidated due to obviousness?

Don't forget the stunning "turn page" patent, which freed the human race from thousands of years of bewilderment trying to figure out exactly how to use those mystifying pieces of paper bound together as "books".

http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/19/3659382/apple-design-patent-on-virtual-page-turn

And let's not forget their recent amazing innovation, surely at Nobel prize level in its dazzling breakthrough, again enlightening all mankind together by inventing the "leaf" - that's right, at last we have a name for those puzzling little things no-one had thought of before which covered trees.

http://www.techtree.com/content/news/2227/apple-patents-leaf-patenting-rectangle.html

Round corners? Fuck 'em - there's loads more of this hilariously desperate shit coming as Android eats their lunch.

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Hey books are complicated things

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ

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Re: Hey books are complicated things

Upvoted for being one of my favorite sketches :)

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Re: Hey books are complicated things

But Apple invented the book. Didn't you know?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkQkeKbTP_w

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The Irony

The irony is simply delicious!

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Hahahahahahahahahaha!!

Karma!

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Re: The Irony

While this is certainly Apple getting a taste of their own "obvious" medicine and watching them lose at their own game gives a warm fuzzy feeling, the patents in question are still rediculous.

The two regarding incoming calls basically boil down to: phone receives call and displays contextual tasks, user selects the task (accept/reject) to perform.

True, Sony and Nokia land-grabbed these concepts in the 90's, but seriously, what else would you do with a phone that receivse incoming calls?

I agree with the poster below that says that almost all IT patents are obvious or prior art. It's just land-grabbing and patent trolling. The system is still broken and this is still just irrelevant numbers being batted from one corporation to the next.

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Re: The Irony

"True, Sony and Nokia land-grabbed these concepts in the 90's, but seriously, what else would you do with a phone that receivse incoming calls?"

Get an engaged tone, like landlines have done for the last 70 years or more?

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Obvious?

Phone for an ambulance, I need my sides stitching up.

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Re: Obvious?

Unfortunately, it's currently tending to the deep wounds and irreparable injury (probably a kidney lost in a backalley organ heist) of MobileMedia Ideas.

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Re: Obvious?

Thank you for your call to the Ambulance service. We are sending an ambulance to your postcode using Apple mapping so just fuck off and die will you?

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I'm not holding my breath

waiting for the merry cans to realise that patent trolling is barbaric.

After all, they still have the death penalty.

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Let me get this right

So Nokia sues Apple, Apple settles for millions, and then Nokia sues Apple again through another company they created together with Sony?

Btw, for the others who are loving MobileMedia over this - get ready, your favourite company's turn will come soon. RIM is already in court with them.

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Re: Let me get this right

> your favourite company's turn will come soon

It won't... Unless Apple patents the use of a phone to make phone calls. While holding it normally. The first thing might have crossed their minds briefly but the second seems quite safe.

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Re: Let me get this right

Not only it will, it's already happening - MobileMedia already sued RIM too. A win against Apple now empowers them to go further.

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Re: Let me get this right

> empowers

This being the War Of Patent Terror, you have to use the iconic verb "embolden".

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Re: Let me get this right

At least this isn't a patent troll, as the companies behind its founding honestly hold the patents. More like a patent shill: a frontman for the companies involved.

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Re: Let me get this right

"Btw, for the others who are loving MobileMedia over this - get ready, your favourite company's turn will come soon."

Unless that company is already doing the right thing and paying the licence fee.

Not every company has the morals of Apple you know!!!

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Re: Let me get this right

If Apple invented their own stuff instead of copying Nokia's ideas then they wouldn't get sued. There has to be some way of protecting innovative companies from cheap imitations made in China, you know!

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Re: Let me get this right

>Unless that company is already doing the right thing and paying the licence fee.

>Not every company has the morals of Apple you know!!!

Doubtless many do or reach agreements - but this if this is the same Larry Horn of MPEG_LA, Apple are also using him to play the other side of the coin when it suits.

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> There has to be some way

When the patents are "saying yes to an on-screen message" and "saying no to an on-screen message" I think you'd be hard-pressed to do anything other than pony up your license fee.

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How do you like it, Apple?

99.9999% of all IT patents are idiotic or prior art. Those that you try to so ardently abuse are the worst and the most obvious. Got it?

Enjoy, may you get fucked more and more in the course.

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Re: How do you like it, Apple?

So say we all!

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Re: How do you like it, Apple?

So is the 0.0001% a genuine software patent - I'd love to know a genuine one just so I can start taking the pills again.

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Pity . . .

that those 'merkin courts don't seem to talk to each other.

Like this it will take decades until all judges had a case of overwhelmingly obvious morosity and learned to just kick them out.

Mind you, I did snigger a bit at the creators of the leaf-adorned-rounded-corner-device-unlocking slider having a taste of their own medicine.

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Smelly in here

As usual we get the brainfarts from the same people who don't know the difference between a patent troll, a non-praticing entity who only holds pieces of paper to sue others with - and a company suing to protect the products and features they do have on the market.

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Re: Smelly in here

No - I think you'll find we know the difference between a patent troll and a company suing another company over completely obvious and trivial patents that should never have been granted... there isn't one.

IF Apple's patents were really novel and non trivial then they might get more support... I suggested the notion of changing pages of a electronic newspaper by swiping with a finger at a Science Fiction convention in 1988... there is now way anything as obvious as that should be patentable.

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Re: Smelly in here

"people who don't know the difference between a patent troll, a non-praticing entity who only holds pieces of paper to sue others with "

Yeah because a joint venture between Sony and Nokia is obviously nothing but a fly by nighter patent troll. After all its not like Sony or Nokia would have any products that might use those patents would they?

*slaps forehead at the stupidity of fanbois*

So you notice every room you walk in smells of brainfarts from the ignorant? Those brainfarts are your own - please get a clue and stop stinking up the conversation in here...

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@Chet Mannly

"Those brainfarts are your own - please get a clue and stop stinking up the conversation in here..."

While the brainfarts may be his or not - there is no conversation in here. This is so far all just apple bashing. (This may be deserved, but don't kid yourself).

"In a communication terminal device, the connecting state of a call can certainly and easily be controlled without learning troublesome operating methods which are different depending on the connecting state of a call by providing controller for displaying processing items available to a call a display and controlling the call into the connecting state corresponding to the processing item which is selected and determined by the user's operation of an input unit, the user can control the connecting state of the call by merely selecting the desired processing item. "

Have you read that first patent? How about that being thrown out in '96 because it wasn't even written in english? No time for me to moan about the others... that train isn't going to catch itself.

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That call rejection patent...

...is not only obvious, but probably also the only sane way to do it.

It's worth following the link. The patent describes a system that examines the caller's ID, compares it against a list provided by the phone's owner, and rejects the calls coming from people the owner doesn't want to talk to.

OK, so if we accept that this isn't the most obvious implementation possible (a big if) then presumably the court feels there are other criteria for rejection that phone manufacturers can use instead. Perhaps they could reject every third call, or calls from numbers with a 6 in them, or all calls on Wednesdays, or...

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Re: That call rejection patent...

Welcome to innovation in the 21st century.

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Re: That call rejection patent...

I'm not going to defend the validity of the patent since I have rather mixed views on patents, especially with regards to software. Though to be completely fair, before the phone system became at least partially digital, there was no way to screen calls prior to answering. I only glossed over the abstract of the patent, not the full explanation, but there is a bit of novelty to the patent in being able to reject a call without first answering it.

That said, I personally do not agree with any sort of software patent and feel that software should be protected by copyrights and trade secrets alone. But eh, what's my opinion worth?

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Re: That call rejection patent...

After Ogg invented the wheel, Magog protested that Ogg's idea was obvious...

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Re: That call rejection patent...

was no way to screen calls prior to answering

Usually called the Secretary who held in their hands a list of people allowed to talk to the boss. Oh wait. Just because you have replaced a know function with the same function, but with new technology, thats worth a patent? Suppose it must be true, 'cos how else would Apple get a patent on a slide bolt.

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Re: That call rejection patent...

> Welcome to innovation in the 21st century.

The call rejection one was filed in 1998, for starters.

Prior to this, the 8110 (Banana/Matrix phone) was released (my first phone). In it you were allowed to assign profiles to entries in your contacts list - among the profile types was "silent" - i.e. you wouldn't know they were calling. Personally, I'd put the rejection patent as a potentially obvious extension of this - although it reads as if the patent is actually on a standards implementation of a feedback mechanism to the calling party within the paging response on call setup attempt, I'm guessing it's an IE in a call setup reject message and so doesn't fall into the scope of a standards essential patent.

Having a quick rummage on the 3GPP standards website at standard 04.08 (the GSM standard detailing call setups and whatnot) and you can find that there was already a cause field prior to the filing of this patent that would specify a call is rejected by the end user - I'm guessing historically this was activated manually by pressing the "hang up" button when you received a call.

The specific field is:

"H.1.9 Cause No. 21 "call rejected"

This cause indicates that the equipment sending this cause does not wish to accept this call, although it could have accepted the call because the equipment sending this cause is neither busy nor incompatible"

In context, combining the "silent" profile with this aspect of the standard gets you this patent - personally I would agree with Apple that it is a tad obvious as all you are doing is automating an existing process. But then IANAPatent Examiner, merely a lowly telecoms engineer.

I agree that it is rather delicious that Apple are suffering this way, though... Their petard seems to be a bit hoisted.

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Re: That call rejection patent...

A "petard" is a sort of bomb. One is "hoisted" by it due to it "going off".

It is not like a flag which gets hoisted - not the same at all.

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Re: That call rejection patent...

Oops - just noticed I got it the wrong way round, too. Oh well

<insert moan about lack of edit facility>

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Re: That call rejection patent...

"The call rejection one was filed in 1998, for starters.

Prior to this, the 8110 (Banana/Matrix phone) was released"

This would be the Nokia 8110, then. That would be the same Nokia that then patented the call rejection system, yes?

You do realise that turning the ringer off isn't the same as rejecting the call, don't you? Well, obviously not, but still: They aren't even close. With the former, the connection is still made and you can't make or receive other calls until the existing call is ended. The latter rejects the connection so your phone is available to be used.

Doesn't validate the patent: This is just to correct a misconception.

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Re: That call rejection patent...

"The call rejection one was filed in 1998, for starters."

Just a few decades after people started using "rules" to deal with spam in other communication systems, then. How depressing.

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