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Microsoft has launched a repeat of a Twitter-based anti-Android marketing stunt that it first tried last year, but this year's campaign seems to have netted the software giant more than it bargained for. On Wednesday, Redmond's official Windows Phone Twitter feed at @WindowsPhone laid into Google's mobile OS for being vulnerable …

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There are very few malware problems on Win phones, probably due to the fact that the numbers sold are so low hackers and malware writers don't see profit in it.

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.. or there may simply not enough resource left to run malware as well. If I see just how hard it is to run pong on the device (according to the events I've seen), it's hard to believe it actually is able to run a self respecting virus of any description..

Or was that Win 8? I'm getting confused - they are now so alike they're probably just as prone to infection (especially since MSE isn't exactly working either, quelle surprise)..

I'd say BWAHAHAHAHA, but I'd be repeating myself.

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I'm an Android user through-and-through, having just bought my third phone (Nexus 4) and running an Android tablet. However, a friend of mine has a Nokia Lumia 800 and I have to say I was really impressed with it. I think the Windows Phone OS has some promise and seemed to work really well in my (admittedly limited) test of it. It's simple and there's definitely no tinkering available (and obviously the well documented lack of apps), but it seemed to do the job pretty well.

This sort of badly implemented smear campaign really won't work for MS and I don't think the demographic that's likely to buy Windows Phone devices are going to be following them on Twitter en-masse.

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Microsoft REALLY desperate now

Clearly it's all gone do badly wrong they have had to scrape the barrel and resort to this.

Anyone buying a Windows Phone as a result of this campaign is a fucking moron.

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Absolute nonsense. There is NO Windows phone malware in the wild. I have checked with both of them.

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Re: Microsoft REALLY desperate now

MS: Make a few anti-Android tweets.

Certain other company: Agenda to destroy Android, by using software and design patents, already achieving court success at taking a billion dollars from leading Android companies, and banning Android products from sale.

There's certainly desperation here - but it's interesting to compare the levels of desperation at work here. I would hope that no one's persuaded to buy a product by these tweets; and I hope that people are actively put off buying a product by court actions.

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Re: Microsoft REALLY desperate now

Mark, you seem to have overlooked the other prong to Microsoft's anti-Android racket: "We have loads of patents but ours are so clever we can't show them. Just hand over the Danegeld"

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please Microsoft, go die in a Fire...

I can't watch it anymore...

Selfish and incompetent at once is a sad, ironic combination.

It must be the great mental vacuum at Microcruft preventing its spontaneous combustion so far.

Proof positive that retardation is not devoid of benefits.

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Hackers would go after Windows phones...

If only MS could convince the public to buy some!!

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

A bit like Linux then.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

How?

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

@JDX - really! Linux not being very popular then on consumer devices?

I know you are probably trolling but underneath every android handset is linux. And every iphone and ipad essentially runs a version of *nix, not to mention the Mac. Or quite a lot of netbooks.

Oh, and the raspberry pi, yes there is that. I think they sold a few of those too.

Oh, and most consumer NAS drives. Oh, and quite a lot of routers.

But no, nobody would pay for any of those would they?

I'm assuming you are doing those posts to keep your gold badge. Don't worry about posting informed critique or comment, just put loads of comments in any article so you can keep your gold badge. Bless.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

Also most set-top boxes and TVs, and quite a few routers.

There's a bit of Windows CE out there still, but MS don't recommend it for new designs.

So these days pretty much every consumer "black box" device with a network connection is running a version of Linux, because it's cheap and lightweight.

Industrial are mostly Linux or VxWorks - the latter is properly real-time, but modern hardware is so fast that's starting to matter less in real equipment.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

just put loads of comments in any article so you can keep your gold badge

Oh dear. Did El Reg introduce badge envy now? :)

From the original article:

"This discretionary badge is awarded by Reg staff, and we are starting off with 10 people who have been very helpful - to us, through news tips and beta testing, for example - and to their fellow readers, through their posts." (emphasis mine)

Don't worry about posting informed critique or comment, just put loads of comments in any article so you can stay envious of those who can actually read. Bless.

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Re: A bit like Linux then.

Ooh, think you hit a nerve!

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

"Industrial are mostly Linux or VxWorks - the latter is properly real-time, but modern hardware is so fast that's starting to matter less in real equipment."

There is also an effort within the Linux community to gradually improve real time response for Linux. There goal has been to get their changes into the core distribution. Coupled with faster processors what's needed to give acceptable RT performance before you need to break out the specialist RT OS has been changing for years.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

@HollyHopDrive: So now we're saying that Linux is the #1 target for malware, thanks to Android? Ok, gotcha.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

@HollyHopDrive

>>I know you are probably trolling but underneath every android handset is linux.

Yes, that's why Android IS being targeted by malware. But Android is NOT Linux. Linux is Linux. Android is based on Linux. Linux is the thing you install on your desktop, which is NOT targeted because statistically nobody uses it for that.

My badge has nothing to do with my rep.

I guess reading isn't your strong suit since you've clearly messed up on both cases. And the hypocrisy is rather fun when you deliberately posted a "bash someone who attacked Linux" response in the knowledge it would attract all the OSS-sheep votes.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

> But Android is NOT Linux.

Android *contains* Linux[1].

> Linux is Linux.

That's not an especially meanuingful statement...

> Android is based on Linux.

No, Android is built on top of Linux.

> Linux is the thing you install on your desktop

No, that's GNU/Linux. And Android/Linux is what you put on a phone.

The distinction you're trying to draw is simply wrong.

Vic.

[1] Strictly speaking, Android contained a fork of Linux for a while. But the codebases are pretty much in sync again now.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

"Android is NOT Linux. Linux is Linux"

Android is no more or less Linux than Ubuntu, RedHat, openSUSE. If you said GNU/Linux, id agree (sounds pedantic until you realise Android doesn't run the GNU software stack unlike destop distros)

"which is NOT targeted because statistically nobody uses it for that"

Microsoft's own published statistics put Linux higher than Apple Mac.

http://www.osnews.com/story/21035/Ballmer_Linux_Bigger_Competitor_than_Apple

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

"My badge has nothing to do with my rep."

Or technical knowledge either apparently.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

Also me, on two public DNS VPS servers I've just bought and built (CentOS).

A die-hard Windows Server jockey.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

Windows, Linux, Macs, Android -- they *can* all get malware. What differentiates them is:

- market share -- is writing the malware worth the effort?

- defenses -- what tools are available to block/combat the malware?

Microsoft (the market leader) have anti-malware software available but choose not to include it or enable it by default in their OS. If you're committed to fighting malware, why would you not ship your product with anti-malware tools installed and enabled by default?

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

You guys are so easy.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

>> If you're committed to fighting malware, why would you not ship your product with anti-malware tools installed and enabled by default? <<

Maybe because they tried that with their browser and it ended up not being worth it?

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@JDX - Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

Sorry, mate, Linux can't be bought! You deserve each an every down vote for missing this point.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

My Raspberry Pi runs RISC OS. A far more enjoyable desktop experience than that fugly dog-slow LXDE

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

"why would you not ship your product with anti-malware tools installed"

Why should MCSFT hold your hand to do anything?

Especially when there is a thriving market of 3rd party application development (including security apps).

I think it's NORMAL for Microsoft (or any OS developer for that matter) to NOT supply certain software but allow third party developers to get (a small) piece o/t cake. Only in the case when third party software development is lacking THEN the OS-creator itself 'could' provide such (end-user) applications.

I believe that OS creators shouldn't interfere to much with third party application development. Apart from providing help (with the necesary SDK-tools etc...) when asked for.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

I assume he means GNU/Linux[*], and is talking about the debate about malware on desktop operating systems, of the GNU Linux OSs, versus Windows. Yes, chances are there's less malware on an OS that isn't used as much, and more on one that is, but that argument applies to the desktop as well as mobile - you can't have your cake and eat it. It is kind of amusing that this argument is dismissed in debates about desktop OSs, but the moment it crops up on mobile, people jump at the chance to moan about MS. (Disclaimer, I'm an Android user, and love it.)

* - for all these years we thought that RMS was just being pedantic, but now that the most common OS using the Linux kernel isn't the same as the desktop operating systems we also call "Linux", he may well have had a point.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

You are correct, but you're still in agreement that they aren't the same OS, rather it's the same kernel. He was arguing against the people claiming they are both "Linux", therefore both the same thing.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

> He was arguing against the people claiming they are both "Linux"

He wasn't. He was claiming that Android isn't Linux. But it is - just not GNU/Linux.

Vic.

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"Microsoft (the market leader) have anti-malware software available but choose not to include it or enable it by default in their OS. If you're committed to fighting malware, why would you not ship your product with anti-malware tools installed and enabled by default?"

They do. Microsoft Security Essentials is installed and enabled by default in Windows 8.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

You are sadly mistaken. There is a lot more Linux out there than the MS fanbois want to admit. I have 2 personal machines at home that run a MS OS and both of those are for the children so they can play the games that they like until the game makers can perform a cranial rectal extraction from MS and write for a better platform. Everthing else in the house, the 2 servers, mine and the wife's laptops, the Tivo's,the Blueray and the TV all run some form of Linux.

I'm currently working on a POC at work to show that we can use Linux to conduct our business to free ourselves from the MS license shackles and have better control over what our data is doing.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

You are showing Linux bias:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_based_on_FreeBSD#Commercial_Products

And don't forget the internet has *always* been predominantly run by some sort of unix based device.

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Re: Hackers would go after Windows phones...

@JDX:

" when you deliberately posted a "bash someone who attacked Linux" response in the knowledge it would attract all the OSS-sheep votes"

Don't forget that OSS != Linux

There are many rational OSS folk out there that have nothing to do with Linux or its fanboisms

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Re: Linux is the thing you install on your desktop

No Linux is installed primarily in two places: internet facing servers and consumer devices where a truly customizable OS is a requirement. And it pretty much dominates those two markets. I'd note that as far as malware is concerned, those internet facing servers are far juicier targets than the average desktop. They'll have hundreds/thousands/millions of users instead of dozens/hundreds you get with the typical Windows desktop.

So the lack of compromised Linux machines is a testament to all three of it's strengths: better underlying architecture vis a vie built in security; better exploit found to patch release times; and last but not least seriously vigilant admins taking care of the stuff.

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Re: game makers can perform a cranial rectal extraction from MS

Actually, on this one it's the Linux advocates who need to extract their heads from their rectums and recognize what MS has done right for game makers. I have a friend who did programming work on the Mass Effect games (I'm not personally into twitch games so I haven't played it, but the rest of my friends who are do seem to like it). For at least one project he was working on they started with the thought that they ought to develop it for Linux, just for the Coolness Factor(TM). What they found was a mess of unusable tools for game development whereas MS has fully developed suites that let them focus on programming the games instead of developing IDEs to program games. After several months of trying they gave up and went back to MS.

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"Get the facts" again

I suppose. Perhaps it is cheaper to invest in the "smear" department than in the "development" department.

Or perhaps it is like with insurance companies where one part of the company tell you how wonderful they, and you are, and when you have a reason to use your insurance, the other department tell you how wonderful they are and what a crook you are.

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Re: "Get the facts" again

i think they fired the idiot who came up with the win 8 launch party pack idea...

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What is it with Microsoft?

I don't know of any other organisation suffering such a severe and persistent case of foot-and-mouth disease.

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Re: What is it with Microsoft?

I think it's more a case of severe and persistent envy of companies like Google, Apple, and Amazon who lead the market instead of following it like Microsoft does with its "Me too" inferior products.

1. Bing is a poor man's imitation of Google.

2. Surface is Microsoft trying to emulate Apple's hardware business model, and Google's Nexus line. It's not working of course, because everyone hates metro and that fugly fisher price tile UI.

3. Windows 8's walled garden approach is Microsoft copying Apple's iOS.

I know Microsoft's demise has been predicted for years, but I honestly think this time it might be right. It's like they really are trying as hard as they can to self destruct. It certainly makes for entertaining viewing, and I have to say, it couldn't happen to a nicer company :)

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"I don't know of any other organisation suffering such a severe and persistent case of foot-and-mouth disease."

What about the RIAA?

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@Tyrion

"[...]because everyone hates metro and that fugly fisher price tile UI."

Yes, that must be why about 80% of people (people I know) who got a Lumia say "it's actually nice and useful". Metro on PC, well, that's another thing.

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Re: @Tyrion

You know 80% of the people that own a WinPho? Wow.

You could try to find the fifth person, and have the whole set (royal flush?).

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Re: What is it with Microsoft?

>any other organisation suffering such a severe and persistent case of foot-and-mouth disease.

Well apart from our major political parties obviously.

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Re: @Tyrion

Until you try to do something useful. Then you realize that although the UI 'looks' nice the underlying OS is severely lacking (in features and capabilities).

This is especially difficult for Nokia whom not only has to win the hearts of New customers but also to convert (die-hard) Symbian customers (whom are accustomed to a fantastic feature-set on Symbian including full bluetooth transfer, FULL 2-way call recording, FULL User-controlled multitasking, etc...).

Also the "press" keep turning like the wind. yesteryear all sites including El Reg where praising WP7.x and now these same sites claim WP8 is 'bad'.

This seriously affects the credibility of these sites. For me the only enjoyable thing on El Reg these days is BOFH. All the rest is IMHO all pro-Android propaganda. Which I find completely misplaced. As a UK/European tech site El Reg should devote more support for UK/European IT-tech. Things like RISC OS and indeed Symbian (which originated i/t UK). Android, iOS and WP8 are empty American products designed for mass-production. All bling and no substance.

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Re: What is it with Microsoft?

Technically, in Microsoft's case, it's known as Foot-in-mouth syndrome...

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Re: @Tyrion

> Yes, that must be why about 80% of people (people I know) who got a Lumia say "it's actually nice and useful". Metro on PC, well, that's another thing.

Erm, well if they didn't like it, why would they buy it in the first place?

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@Tyrion

"You know 80% of the people that own a WinPho? Wow."

No, I know 100% of people I know. Few of them use a Win phone and 80% of the few is what I was talking about, hence the "(people I know)".

@AC:

I think the problem is (even considering what you've written) that Win8 seems very alien, especially on a Nokia device. What I meant is that it is very capable of getting its own slice of the (market) cake, if they market the bloody thing properly. And I'm saying this as a person that dislikes W8 :)

@skelband:

5 of them got it from their employer as a company phone, two chose them as a contract, one didn't know what was she going into, two reviewers, one is rich and curious.

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