400% of nothing
Now where's my calculator...
Well done Ballmer
Speaking at the company's annual shareholders meeting on Wednesday, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer waxed enthusiastic about Windows Phone 8, claiming sales were off to "a great start." Without citing any exact numbers, Ballmer said Redmond is selling four times as many Windows Phone devices than at this time last year. In addition …
Now where's my calculator...
Well done Ballmer
Four phones this week, a record!
A very lame and predictable response...
"I said- you buy one, get three free!"
Probably counting what they've stuffed into the channel, not what actually sold to customers...
Add an army of paid pro-Windphone8 forum posters, from Engadget to Phonearena, in the hopes to sway people to buy into Micro$oft's new closed off, locked down tollbooth hell.
Maybe that'll get a few weak minded fools to break down and buy the phone with the garish tiles for the color blind...
So at launch with all the shipments to carriers and fanboys they outsold one year old Phone 7 that was rotting in the shops. It would be amazing if they didn't move more, but lets see them keep it up over time.
I mean how many people buy a Windows 8 Phone and believe it can run Windows applications?
The answer is too many
Well as for the return rate I expect it will end up being around the same as the increase in sales. Though truth be told I know a couple people with a Windows Phone 7 and its actually not a bad looking phone and OS from what little I have seen of it. Still wouldn't buy it though.
/Mines the one with the droid in the pocket
Surely utterly no-one. Who the hell thinks they're going to be able to install their copy of Photoshop onto their phone?
My spy in the local branch of a mobile phone retailer says that they can't GIVE AWAY Windows phones of any kind. They had a recent promotion that "gave" a Windows phone "free" with a £15 per month tariff and they had exactly one enquiry (and the prospect left with a Samsung on O2!).
300% of virtually nothing is still virtually nothing!
Interestingly, they can't sell Apple phones against the higher end Samsungs and HTCs - nobody wants them any more (except the gullible fanbois). Android is seems as "slick" and "trendy" and having "lots of free apps"...
Same here. I work ina T-Mobile (EE) store, and message from up high is to push Lumia onto unsuspecting punters.
99% of punters are FAR too wise for this, they know they don't want Windows Phone because they don't walk into phone shops blind, they have spoken to a tech friend/family member, who all advise to steer well clear of Windows Phone and/or Lumia.
It's also interesting how many non-techie customers we get that actually know what Android is, and what it means to them (ie. their apps and content they already bought will carry on working).
Android to them, is the the Windows, the defacto standard.
That might be because they were giving away an old WP7 handset, and people probably fall into one of two categories: 1) I'm a consumer who hasn't heard of WP, I won't buy one, or 2) I'm a consumer who's interested in the new Windows Phones, I don't want an old one.
Just a thought. Feels pretty lonely to be one in the WP comments sections on here :)
Android is seems as "slick" and "trendy" and having "lots of free apps"...
Or is that your Apple and Windows hating bias showing through again?
As for me, I don't have any of the "Smart" phones. For me good signal and battery life ranks way above angry birds or twatbook updates.
I have an android tablet, because it was cheap, and the app's to say the least are average and the only reason so many are free is because they are paid for by ad's. I have a Windows pc, because it runs what I need to run (fuck off before you say Linux can do everything because it can't, get opver it) and I've used Mac and they are good bit's of kit, but I don't want to pay the high prices.
So as I've said before, you buy the device to do what you want it to do.
How puzzling no-one wants a NoWin (Nokia Windows) handset. Well, microsoft might have gone all shy and cute when it comes to sales figures but Google sure won't have, and I've a feeling this coming Christmas is going to be very, very special indeed.
> Redmond is selling four times as many Windows Phone devices
That doesn't make sense. Redmond doesn't sell 'Windows Phone devices' does it? Is it just the OEM phones that are being sold out of Microsoft stores ?
They probably have 4 times as many shops this year, or maybe they didn't sell phones in their stores last year.
What Microsoft sells is licences, not devices. Perhaps they have sold 4 times the number of licences to OEMs than they did 12 months ago. That wouldn't be surprising as all the OEMs have to buy blocks of licences before they can attempt to sell any devices.
Why does MS want a phone?
"Selling stuff for a profit" is what businesses do, but why does MS feel the need to run its own phone OS rather than write exchange clients or whatever for android and apple?
Why not just strip android of the google proprietary stuff and add bits for their own ecosystem? Or just add bits for their own ecosystem to certified android systems.
With the nexus 4, it seems the fat profits are about to drop out of the handset market. I think I'd have gone for the tablet market first and then offered a phone as a sideline. Tablets are more flexible and closer to MS' home ground. Tablets probably have fewer app requirements because they don't travel as much and therefore are less likely to have small "local" apps which a phone needs to be successful.
Having said that, we might soon be at the point where everyone is carrying a not-so-thin client in their pocket and I doubt MS wants that to be running linux.
It's obvious. The iPhone came first. Microsoft couldn't have copied the iPad first, because it didn't yet exist then outside of an Apple lab.
The iPhone came first? Do people really believe this? Do you also think that Sky invented the PVR and that football didn't exist before the Premiership?
6 more sold. Keep up the good work guys.
Every comment so far by people accusing MS of lies. How very tedious.
I remember when you could actually discuss IT on these forums of the IT news web site.
50% or more of the posts on here are from Google shills.
Saying the statistics are meaningless and lying are two different things.
If they had good numbers, they'd give them. They don't (it's probably to early to know anyway), so they resort to statistics.
How about a refreshing post which says:
hmm, this is interesting.. it looks like the MS platform is starting to take shape and evolve from its v1 (which in effect WP7 was!) form.
SFW that driod and iphone are still 1 and 2 from a market perspective and have 6 trillion apps of which 99.999% are fart apps, looks like we have something which is starting to evolve and providing us with some more choice.
Thats what you get when you stick yr greedy mitts in ALL the pies
No time to focus on your core..
O. fuckin S.
On the "COMPUTERS" and the "MOBILE COMPUTERS"
Don't make me Bing that shit for you
Bing? Time to kill two birds with 1 stone, and ruffle a few feathers in the bargain. Seems some folks round here are desperate to rewrite microsofts evil ways out of history. Well, lookie here, its time to bring up the old favourite again and ponder why this article hasn't been taken down or changed - it's the official word from Google after all, and has been up unchanged for fast approaching 2 years.
Now understandably, there's no end of writhing and embarrassment from the microsoft apologists at being caught red handed with such a howler, and they usually reply with shedloads of smart assed reasons why it isn't so, but, as it makes crystal clear in as deep into the article as the second sentence "However you define copying, the bottom line is, these Bing results came directly from Google."
Ah yes Bob, your old favourite article of the trick where Google gamed the system to wrongly associate some terms on someone else's search engine. I presume, if Google have a feature in Chrome where it can report back your search results 'to improve your experience' then the same trick could be done the other way. Unless Chrome won't allow other search engines.
Personally I prefer Firefox, due to inertia really. Chrome, FF and IE all seem to be about equally good nowadays. Anyway, I can't be bothered to check.
Anyway, yawn. There are plenty of things MS have done to be genuinely annoyed about. Surely you must be able to think of some that are actually relevant...
How come you haven't got a badge by the way? You must have put in 100 posts in the last year, surely?
I am as elusive as the wind, yet as eternal as the truths I speak.
So by not telling the truth, have you just made your life shorter (if you can do subtraction from eternity)?
I shall try to resist the temptation to make a comment along the lines of 'as elusive as the perpetrator of the wind in a crowded lift'...
"Microsoft claims they have stuffed store backrooms with 300% more Windows Phone than they managed to stuff into store backrooms this time last year.
They are also in the process of digging a 300% bigger hole outside Salo to bury all those unsold Lumias in.
LOL, given how difficult it is to get a Lumia 920 are you really saying they're sitting around on a shelf not selling?
"Limited stock of Black, White and Red arriving December 5th. RED AND BLACK STOCK ALL PRE-SOLD."
"Stock Expected In 5 Days"
Wow, it must be good if you can't buy them....
#FAIL. Never heard of the Nintendo Wii?
I was looking at Windows Phones recently. I think the tiles make for quite a good interface for a simple smartphone. They just need to being some good budget Win8 phones to market. I think the premium end is a bit ambitious really and it is a shame they missed Christmas because now I have bought the wife an Android phone.
How did they miss Christmas? Isn't that about a month away? All these phones have been available to buy for a few weeks.
HTC 8s? or is that too low spec?
That is the first time I have heard of the 8s. Doesn't seem to be on any carrier, but Amazon have one for £240. That is not too bad. Cheers
I really want to like the Windows phone, really I do. I don't like iPhones for being far too locked down and I feel that my Android phone is tracking me in everything I do. I was looking at a Nokia as a third alternative partly to support the last few European phone maker and partly to escape Apple and Google. Everytime I see something I like from WP8, something new happens to put me off.
Suppose I could look at getting a blackberry. However, that'd mean I'd become a rimboy...
I really like Windows Phone 7, I assume 8 will be better. But it's no less locked down than iPhone (with fewer available apps), and it tracks you at least as much as iOS (assuming Android is the worst which may not be fair). The disconcerting thing is that it ask permission for its tracking, so you have to agree to it quite a few times, whereas Google only sometimes do, and iOS almost not at all.
I rather like it, because the people hub makes it a great phone for work, and I tend to use apps on my iPad rather than my phone anyway.
I too like the look of the new Blackberry OS and really hope it sets them up as the third force in mobile. They deserve better, and realistically, there only is just about room for 3 players.
300% increase in sales is fantastic! The public are starting to wake up. They have grown wise and they don't like the limitations of device you get with Apple and the fragmentation and upgrade hell you get with Android.
The only true end to end smartphone experience out there is Windows Phone 8. The new Lumias are a breath of fresh air and they have the wow factor that the iPhone had five years ago. The only people buying iPhones now are middle aged men who are trying to look cool.
The Galaxy series was alright but it was just keeping the seat warm while Nokia got its house in order. Look at their share price they are on the way back to the top. Best build quality and some of the finest experience in the phone industry and their Windows Phone 8 powered devices will be the must have phone within two years
2/10, must troll harder.
AC isn't trolling, he's working.
He's been on Microsoft payroll for a while but he has had to go down the AC road as the previous Aliases such as John Smith, Paul Riccio, or Jonathan Moore weren't cutting it any longer.
Chances are, he'll have just as much success with this new venture. Nobody gives a flying rat arse about Microsoft any longer, and no amount of forum stalking is going to change that.
Deary deary me... this is the sort of thing that give the Android-jihadists ammunition...
Similar to posted earlier - "I remember when you could actually sanely discuss the merits and flaws of competing systems on an IT forum..."
Brilliant post! I needed a bloody good laugh after the piss-poor morning I've had dealing with shonky MS ODBC driver code not working on our DBs!
Yes, it has becoming quite obvious that M$ is paying for comments in various tech sites, forums and even YouTube. these paid people only say that Lumia and Windows Phone are the best things ever. just pure propaganda, no arguments. well, they are spending their US $1,5 billion marketing budget for the new OS in a very efficient way. The unreal amount of 5 stars Lumia 920 reviews in Amazon is ridiculous too. the bad is that some people are now realizing.
and yes, M$ has done something like this in the past:
Loads of predictable crap here posted by the Fandroids. About how their mate who works in a phone shop says they can't sell WinPhones etc.. It's almost as bad as Ali G and "me mate Dave says...".
The Nokia 920 has sold 2.5 million in 20 days. Given this is supposedly a dead platform being supported by a dead phone maker I would say that is quite impressive. Also impressive given there's a 3 month exclusivity deal on it and many people who want one haven't been able to get one. Luckily that deal ends in January.
Then there's the 820, Samsung Ativ S and all of the HTC phones.
According to an article, link to PC Pro, Win Phone is up to nearly 5% of UK smartphone sales and 10% in Italy. Still nothing special, but it is growing - and percentage market share gains in a growing market are even nicer of course. Looks like poor RIM are taking the hammering from everyone.
Whether it's enough to be a significant player is another matter, and how many of those sales are at zero (or wore) margin is also not shown. But it's way too early to declare MS dead in this market. Things can easily change, I don't think the market has stabilised yet, we've had at least 5 market leading OSes in the last decade - most of which are now dead.