4chan founder Moot threatens site for using his handle
The 4chan community site has been home to all manner of jokes, pranks, intentionally offensive imagery, and other juvenilia since it launched in 2003, but one thing it apparently takes very seriously is "Moot," the online handle of its founder, Christopher Poole. As reported by the Betabeat website, attorneys for Poole sent a …
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Moot
Old english for meeting.
Shetland dialect for small
Standard english for debatable.
Can all this losers who think that they have a god given right to a common word please bog off?
Re: Moot
"Can all this losers who think that they have a god given right to a common word please bog off?"
Now if only we could get a like-minded judge to say the same to 'apple', or the people who think they invented the word, 'windows'.
Re: Moot
Actually "Windows" is not a protected word. Neither is "Apple" AFAIK. Pictures of apples though...
Re: Moot
Actually "Windows" is not a protected word. Neither is "Apple" AFAIK. Pictures of apples though...
Microsoft paid a lot of money to Lindows, to make that trademark dispute go away before it hit a court judgement....
Do you seriously think that Apple haven't trademarked the very name of their company? You're clearly a lot madder than the Apple legal team (and that's saying something).
Here's a handy trademark list provided by Apple, and here's a similar list from Microsoft.
Re: Moot
In American English, "moot" means "irrelevant", like the positions of the deckchairs on the Titanic.
It also means "a ring gauge for checking the diameters of treenails".
I mentally associate 4chan with computer misuse and horrible people doing dreadful things and upsetting everybody else, although this may be a misunderstanding. "Moot" means nothing to me in this context, and I don't suppose that Moot.it would be treated any better or worse than puppies-and-kittens.org , if there was such a site.
Re: In American English, "moot" means "irrelevant"
I think you'll find it means "open to debate, questionable", just like in real English.
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Microsoft's ultra-generic naming style is incredibly irritating, but I actually have no problem with their claiming trademark rights to "Windows" in the context of a computer OS. That's what trademarks are for, to protect innocent punters from being confused by similarly-named products.
In this case, I don't quite see where the potential for confusion comes from. Sounds like a shakedown to me. I wish moot.it all the best, and I hope their security infrastructure and policies are ridiculously uptight.
@AC 22:10 Re: In American English, "moot" means "irrelevant"
From the online Oxford English dictionary entry for moot ...
adjective:
1. subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty: (e.g.) whether the temperature rise was mainly due to the greenhouse effect was a moot point.
2. (North American) having little or no practical relevance: (e.g.) the whole matter is becoming increasingly moot
Further definitions for use as a verb and a noun are also given. Note the following especially ...
noun:
2. (Law) a mock judicial proceeding set up to examine a hypothetical case as an academic exercise: (e.g.) the object of a moot is to provide practice in developing an argument.
Do you see what the Americans did there?
I suggest you learn about the real world. It's very big and varied but it may be too complicated for you.
Re: In American English, "moot" means "irrelevant"
Sadly, Mr. Carnegie is correct. Common usage of "moot" in the United States is to mean irrelevant or unimportant.
Americans also continuously refer to midnight as meaning 12:00 at the end of the day, rather than the beginning. It's quite frustrating to occassionally show up for an advertised sale and the store is closed.
Re: @AC 22:10 In American English, "moot" means "irrelevant"
American English is dumbed down english, as demonstrated so well here. Indeed "moot" does mean irrelevant when pertaining to a specific point within an argument that in itself is open to debate and thus rendered inadmissible to the argument.
Re: @AC 22:10 In American English, "moot" means "irrelevant"
'American English is dumbed down english'
Thank you, that'll keep me amused for a while.
Example
I saw it used in a 1980s American comicbook. The hero is in the vicinity of Pittsburgh when a huge explosion occurs. He meets people concerned about loved ones in the town and he offers to check if they're okay, but he realises when he gets closer that the house address he was given "is moot" because the entire town and population has been vaporized.
On the other hand, the writer went on to have the hero tell us that he eschewed euphemisms when he brought back the bad news and said "They're gone." That's a euphemism. If they'd left town, they'd be gone. The non-euphemism version is "They're dead." Unless they'd left town, that is. So, we don't have an absolute authority on words, here.
Still, it happens often enough that Britons and Americans use the word "moot" and think that they're communicating when they aren't.
Another to watch out for is British braces and American suspenders, which are the same item worn to hold one's trousers up by a set of elastic straps passing over the shoulders and neck. American braces are to adjust the teeth, and British suspenders are for stockings, usually of ladies but not always (e.g. Rocky Horror Show).
Lord of the Rings, Ent Moot
I think, of anyone, J.R.R. Tolkien has the distinction of being associated with the word "moot" in the general public consciousness, and would be the the primary beneficiary of any recognition, having been working on the Lord of the Rings stories since around 1938.
Re "Claims 'moot' is 'a famous trademark'"
That's a moot point.
Re: Re "Claims 'moot' is 'a famous trademark'"
Beat me too it. Damn.
Re: Moot
The point is moo. Like, a cow's opinion: it doesn't mater.
isn't Moot's a brand of apple juice and other such products?
Mott's is the apple juice.
Moot gives rise to one of the many oral transgressions I find myself getting irate about as I get older. "The point is moot" or it's :"a moot point" is oft heard on US TV being mangled into"The point is mute" or it's "a mute point", one wonders if said point is also deaf. Hearing that really sets my teeth on edge and willing to do severe physical damage to the utterer. Nothing minor, just something the triage station at the local hospital would classify as a mortal injury.
Re: moot.it
The RFC for horse heads over TCP/IP hasn't been ratified yet.
I wonder if it's a publicity stunt by the startup. If it isn't, then I'll file it under, "Randomly kicking wasps nests".
Assuming they didn't know about 4chan until they received the initial letter, a quick google should be enough to find out that picking a fight with 4chan while trying to launch your web-based business is probably not a good idea.
I'm not judging either side morally or legally here, just thinking in terms of business.
Yeah, they have a whole load of pedos and special ed. kids coming after them if they don't give in.
Agreed
A cursory google about 4chan should have been enough to convince them that calling their site moot might be fine legally but is going to guarantee a never ending onslaught of trolling and DOSing.
I'm sure it will be commenting reimagined, just not in the way they intended.
What about famous bovine rapper Moo-T? How come he's not being sued too!?
Moot point indeed
perhaps someone should point moot.it at IRC if it thinks it's going to have any claim to "putting conversation first". Been there, doing that, and probably far more successfully than they ever will.
Against IP until they are for it
Don't you love these guys who rail against the "evils" of intellectual property law - until they suddenly decide that they like it.
name MOOT has become firmly associated with Mr. Poole and 4chan
No it hasn't, never heard of My Poole or 4chan. Anytime I hear the word I assume someone is referring to the word in the English language.
He makes 4chan look like pompus, arrogant, childish whiners.
No wait...
Never heard of this Mr. Moot...
Tell him to get stuffed.
Re: Never heard of this Mr. Moot...
Maybe you missed that poll in Time magazine then?
(apparently marble cake is also the game?)
The don't let anyone give TED talks. Just because you don't know who he is, doesn't make him not well known.
http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_m00t_poole_the_case_for_anonymity_online.html
Re: The don't let anyone give TED talks.
Er, yes they do!
http://www.ted.com/talks/hillel_cooperman_legos_for_grownups.html
Sure they do, they even have one of a random 12 yr old whose claim to fame is having written a whack a bieber app.
They do have some great talks as well.
12 yr old whose claim to fame is having written a whack a bieber app.
and you have a problem with that?
Re: 12 yr old whose claim to fame is having written a whack a bieber app.
None related to the concept of whacking the bieber, but it is not exactly a high bar, especially these days (with IDE's and 'apps for dummies' books). They have some excellent, insightful and inspirational speakers and sometimes not so much.
Re: "whacking the bieber"
I think I've found a new euphemism!
Then the next featured headline said it all...
Swollen SUPER-GIGANTO PLANET sighted
Then we find out
He actually created the site and this complaint is just to get the word out about it.
Forget the legal team
They should be worried about /b/tards rising up as moot's personal army.
Also, in defence of 4chan, some of its boards are rather good, especially the ones concerned with creative pursuits, as I find that the forced anonymity actually helps the discussions by weeding out the typical internet know-it-alls and snobs.
/b/, on the other hand, is truly the arsehole of the internets, though shits and giggles can be had there too.
Troll icon, because well, it's 4chan we're talking about.
4chan and moot's belief in their importance and fame is way higher than it should be. They might be big stuff amongst a large portion of 13 year olds but most people don't know and don't care about them.
Moot is a generic word. He should have picked something more unique. No matter how much imaginary fame he has that won't change so he can go pound sand.
More unique?
It's binary. A thing either is, or is not, unique. Apart from that, agree...
"He should have picked something more unique"
I respectfully disagree.
I think he chose his handle perfectly, and this whole issue is brilliantly summed up by it.
I'll sue anyone who uses the moniker "Anonymous"
I've been using the handle 'anonymous' since the days of 14.4 modems...therefore the word belongs to me and the whole internet knows me by my name.
Time for a rebrand?
moot.it should become moo.tit
Nah, that's udderly ridiculous. And you've probably herd one like that before. Ok, I'll stop milking this.
Cheese it!
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