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So Microsoft's Windows 8 chief Steve Sinofsky is offski. Was it corporate politics, modest Surface RT sales, or some hippie desire to find himself that made him quit? Whatever the reason, the news of his departure - just three weeks after Microsoft unveiled Windows 8 and said it was its most significant launch since Windows 95 …

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Sinofsky was also absent from the Windows 8 launch, after showing it off for months I found that a bit strange at the time. I guess we know why now.

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Re: Absent

Perhaps he was hit by a chair.

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Re: Absent

Yeah, I noticed that too. That's why I don't find this news particularly suprising. It's clearly nothing to do with sales, and even the phrase "modest sales" is incorrect because that was simply an interpretation error in the French interview, which has now been corrected by most online articles (obviously The Register hasn't corrected theirs yet).

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Re: Absent

So people are scanning Microsoft Group Photos to find in who's who's out, much like in old times Kremlin Group Photos were examined for upcoming upheavals?

Maybe Sinofsky exchanged “inappropriate communications” with Jill Kelley, too?

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Re: Absent

Has the gentleman been seen in the wild (aka corporate dos or marketing) at all since?

If not, sounds like health, either his or close relative.

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Re: Absent

If not, sounds like health, either his or close relative.

.. or a substantial amount of stock he needs to divest before the value tanks (even more)..

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Re: Absent tthen, that would be

"WINfenestratiom", and being en"balm(er)ed" alive....

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Good Riddance Sinofsky

Sinofsky was the one who derailed Microsoft's Messenger Tablet, when Apple didn't have their's ready yet.

Sinofsky was responsible for every recent bullshit UI fluff, that disrupted people's working knowledge of how to Office and Windows fast and efficiently (Office Ribbons, Wind8's garish tiles for the colorblind).

He appears to like to re-arrange the UI deck chairs without any underlying reason like new functionality.

Windows 7 was surprisingly undamaged upon release, leading me to believe Sinofsky had some restraining factors that prevented him from mucking it up with his 'revolutionary' and utterly unnecessary UI shuffling excercises.

Never mind that he was a hypocrite, hanging out the humble guy out front, with a knife in the hand, just in case someone objected to becoming one of his mindless drones.

What a nasty faker. Please stay gone...

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Vista

Vista 2.0??

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Re: Vista

Bob 4.0?

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Metro all the way?

Full/split screen applications work for some applications in some contexts. The notion that windowed applications are finished, legacy, classic, what you will is nonsensical. Reimagining the desktop would make for an interesting Windows 9. WinRT/desktop for Windows store needn't wait so long, Beta for Build 2013 perhaps?

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Re: Metro all the way?

If Microsoft is dumb enough to 'defenestrate' windows,

removing the ability to have many windows open and arrange them as needed...

...they will really have eliminated their own Platform and Monopoly in one shot,

as that will start a mass exodus to some Linux flavor, by people who don't even have Linux on the radar...

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I know that face from somewhere.....

....does anyone else think Sinofsky is actually Lee Harvey Oswald ?

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Contradiction in terms?

Larson-Green is an ex-programme manager and an interface expert; she worked on Metro and was responsible for the introduction of the Office 2007 Ribbon - something that confused users of Office

That's the strangest definition of expert I've seen in a long time...

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Re: Contradiction in terms?

Because the writer likes to make it his business to tear down microsoft for no apparent reason.......When you do not know why someone left and obviously do not have a credible source inside the organization this is merely speculation. I forgot though you do have a blogger who works for microsoft that you can quote in your article...nice job

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Win 8 / Metro GUI - is it a joke?

I'm not saying that Microsoft is plotting some sort of stock buy-back, and Windows 8 (specifically the a pencil-in-the-eye would be better Metro GUI) is part of the plan to slash the stock price by 30% when sales of Windows 8 fail to materialize, but if it was... ...what would be different?

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Re: Win 8 / Metro GUI - is it a joke?

Ah, sort of like the plot of "The Producers"? If so, Ballmer's lucky - I can't see Win8 being anywhere near as liked as "Springtime for Hitler: A Gay Romp with Adolf and Eva at Berchtesgaden".

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He was on a burning platform

W8 on desktops and handsets is so obviously set to fail that he scarpered before the pubic get wind of how bad it really is, and it's all over the tech press for months. Who knows? He may go to Nokia - their asshole of a leader is now standing on that same burning platform, so kicking them all out and going Android would make him the turnaround hero of the century.

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Nokia has been dealt with

Do Microsoft need someone to run HTC into the ground?

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Re: Nokia has been dealt with

HTC are doing it themselves, they don't need MS to help.

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Sinofsky is no failure.

You forgot at the bottom "this article was sponsored by Sinosky!"

Back to reality, this is a failure of biblical proportions and rather than listening to customers and IT professionals, didn't put their fingers in their ears, oh no, they put on Ear Defenders and blind folds! Completely oblivious and ignoring all the feedback.

The whole senior management should be put in ejector seats equiped with Anvils rather than parachutes!

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Re: Sinofsky is no failure.

Very ture albeit I have a feeling that Sinofsky might have been on the right side of this issue at one point but was overruled by the big, fat, clueless, loudmouthed, angry chair-throwing bald fart...?

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There is no METRO interface!!

At most TIFKAM

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@Urs

These days I simply call it the void ;-)

It sucks up your money (marketplace, win8 purchase, extra time spend to do stuff), sucks up your time and it basically sucked up our beloved start menu and parts of our desktop too.

The only thing is that its usually not black.

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The only thing is that its usually not black

.. that is, until they really add the option to customise the BSOD ..

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Yellow, with purple text

Black, with black text

Black, with smoke (permanent)

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Confidence in Windows 8?

With a vote of confidence for Windows 8 like that, one has to wonder...

Was his leaving line something like...

"Thanks for all the fish, and good luck Windows 8...."

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Ribbon confused users!

Do me f'ing favour - the only people confused by the ribbon are you bunch of ultra-conservative "IT Support Specialists".

Sinofsky has had since at least the Consumer preview to consider his future you dopey pillock. Do you honestly have no f'ing clue about product development that you think they havent been working on Win9 for the last year.

And complaining about duplicate apps in the store - no fucking way - I mean last time I looked on my Nexus S there were many many duplicate apps there - Seriously Gavin you are making AO look like a f'ing pulitzer prize winner

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Oh, dear!

The psychiatrist *warned* you to stay on your meds, ya know...

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Re: Ribbon confused users!

What do those little picturs mean?

Where is the save?

Yes it does confuse, unless you are a heavy user, if you are not, it is painfull.

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"Do you honestly have no f'ing clue about product development that you think they havent been working on Win9 for the last year."

Is that why they didn't finish W8 then?

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Re: Ribbon confused users!

"Do me f'ing favour - the only people confused by the ribbon are you bunch of ultra-conservative "IT Support Specialists"."

And me.

And around 50+ of my colleagues.

Its Diwali and we had boxes of samosas and those condensed milk sweets brought in by Hindu workmates. As we were stuffing our faces, there was a sort of 'ribbon bingo' session as the student teacher was trying to make a photo story in Word... and it is not fun on 1366 by 768 monitors that we have as standard on the locked down (and fast) Windows 7 staff PCs. I'm using my paid for Office 2k under Wine at home on a cheap 1080p monitor - luxury

The Tramp because at work I have to...

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Re: Ribbon confused users!

I hate and detest the ribbon. I was screaming at my PC in frustration just today trying to do something on it. OK' I'm a Linux user at home, and only use Libre Office (and before that OpenOffice) for every document or spreadsheet I produce (including at work), but occasionally I have to use Office at work.... and despite this happening fairly often I just can't 'get' the ribbon interface. I hate it so much... it isn't intuitive, I can't find stuff and I'm not prepared to spend hours and hours teaching myself where things are. I have tried, but I just bloody hate it. Vote me down if you must for not being 'techie' enough, or too stupid to cope, but never before have I failed to come to terms with using a program menu despite hours and hours of use. Is it my fault that nothing else I've ever come across has caused me so much grief? Maybe, but Photoshop is nursery school stuff compared to that bloody ribbon in Office.

I'm all for choice, and if it suits you personally, fine, but don't slag those off who just don't get it (and no, please don't give me pages of advice on what I'm doing wrong - IT is supposed to make things easier for the user, not expect him/her to completely change what they normally do to accomplish something they used to do easily)

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Re: Ribbon confused users!

LOL +1 some writers here make me want to pull my hair out.

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Re: Ribbon confused users!

"I hate and detest the ribbon. I was screaming at my PC in frustration just today trying to do something on it. OK' I'm a Linux user at home and only use Libre Office (and before that OpenOffice) for every document or spreadsheet I produce (including at work), but occasionally I have to use Office at work"

That pretty much says it all right there. Head on back to linux and open office; Maybe you and the author of this article should maybe type up some more comments here on your linux machine where you wont need to use the ribbon that is soooo difficult zomg.

Epic Fail........

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Re: Ribbon confused users!

"unless you are a heavy user, if you are not, it is painful."

I beg to differ - it is even WORSE for a heavy user because they moved all the functionality you need for more complex work at least 3 actions (keystrokes or mouse clicks) away, assuming you actually find it at all.

That's why I switched the whole company to OpenOffice after talking it through with everyone and running a test programme - consistent, stable user interface. We had already spent the money on Office because we need to remain compatible with the other victims out there, but we now have a LOT less lost time because those jerks changed the UI again, and I am extremely grateful that the OpenOffice lot has (as yet) avoided making the same mistake. I have never seen such a %&ç waste of real estate and hit on productivity as that abomination..

And it also makes it easier to switch to OSX next year :)

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Re: Ribbon confused users!

Wow, just how much do MS pay their employees now, do you enjoy working at Redmond? How are the cellars full of monkeeeees coding windows nowadays, are you one of their carers? You almost sounded like an Apple fanboi in your none acceptance that people prefer other software.

It should be user friendly and it isn't, the learning curve is too steep for some, mainly older users who are set in their ways. MS don't care and you apparently. Doesn't bother me but I have to support a lot of users who don't like it, around 300 of them to be more accurate and to date the consensus is it's pants. Would you like to insult all of them as well?

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Re: Ribbon confused users!

I managed to get Word a bit better by downloading alternative menus, wordmenus I think, Excel is still broken, I only use it to open CSVs.

I can now write a pretty document quicker in a text editor using HTML than in a word processor.

Win 7 paint is terrible. The OE replacement is unusable.

I will have a look at open office thanks!

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Re: Ribbon confused users! @Avatar of They

The shill argument? Grow up.

"... the learning curve is too steep for some, mainly older users who are set in their ways. "

And Linux users, who are *really* set in their ways, refuse to give anything from MS a fair shake and have the barefaced cheek to criticise if MS users can't be bothered to "find where things are" in a Linux setup. Of course, they're the people who'd claim a text editor and Latex is the way to go, rather than a word processor. Yeah, that'd be user friendly. I wonder what your users would think if they'd had 5 minutes to try it out before you were lecturing them all about how bad it is.

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Word Processors

Well when it is easier to use HTML a text editor and print from Firefox, I think is time to look very carefully at your word processor.

My favourite was Wordstar, Word for Windows was OK until they removed the file edit menu.

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Ribbon wasted increasingly important area...

The ribbon came at approximately the time of sea-change to 1366x768 in most reasonably light and small machines - particularly, these machines are "wide" format.

The ribbon wastes (yes, carefully chosen word) vertical space which is/was at an *INCREASING* premium at the time. It adds nothing, and subtracts (wait, sit down) useful screen area.

Better still, it operates completely "high handed"-ly - you are told you are a luddite for objecting, and that you may not have back a simple UI adequate to your tasks.

That is why I still refuse to use Office 2007 and forward. When office 2021, should MSFT last that long, comes out and does not have this silliness, I might reconsider :-)

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Re: Ribbon confused users!

Its not even about 'confused'

It was simply inefficient, as the mouse is far slower than the keyboard.

I wouldn't give a shit what he did to the looks of the button bar, renaming it to ribbon, if he left the shortcut keys alone and didn't eat into the screen real estate, which is tight enough, vertically, to display documents on 16:9 displays.

If anything, the Ribbon should have an option to be arranged down the left side...

But retards don't actually do any work, so they needlessly re-design shit to have something to do.

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Wait! You are trying to use logic here.

Experience has taught us that when dealing with a Windows related issue, logic is a very uncommon approach. That's why IT companies will typically just re-install a broken Windows installation, or just do random things until the problem is solved. Only a tiny minority of people actually solve problems logically. Windows is not designed for this. Case in point: How do you change file permissions on a Windows XP Professional system? It should be simple and straight forward, shouldn't it? (Spoiler: it's not, it involves changing a setting in the dialogue which is responsible for the look of file listings)

So I'm not sure if logic is a good tool to talk about what happens inside of Microsoft. Things just _happen_ there, just like Windows development just happens.

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Re: Wait! You are trying to use logic here.

Your file permissions example is a lie, Chris ... Or you're part of the minority you mention whose logic is sadly lacking. "I can't Google how to change permissions simply in 5 minutes, or use the built-in help, so there's only one logical solution. Spend the next x weeks installing Linux and retraining everyone!" The logic of someone hoping to be the go-to guy for helping his colleagues and friends. With your ethics, you should move into politics :)

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Re: Wait! You are trying to use logic here.

"How do you change file permissions on a Windows XP Professional system?"

Right click object, choose "Properties", choose "Security" tab.

Are you by any chance a moron?

P.S. If you prefer the command line you can use the "cacls" command to do the same thing.

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Re: Are you by any chance a moron?

In fairness, it sounds like *you* are unaware that you need to change a rather obscure setting before your solution actually works. Perhaps a grown-up changed it for you before giving you the machine. Perhaps you should have read the OP's "spoiler".

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Re: Are you by any chance a moron?

@Ken Hagan

"Oh boo hoo, I didn't like something you said so I'm going to accuse you of being young!"

I'm 41.

Prick.

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Shoved down your throat

Windows 8 could have been a triumph for Microsoft generating an operating system for both the desktop and tablets. Instead, they have chosen to force desktop users to use the Metro interface which is simply not suitable for the desktop. They have done this so that sales of the desktop version will familiarize people with the metro interface so that they can now be confident on a Windows 8 tablet. They've chosen to annoy their primary user base to gain a second, most likely bigger, user base.I do not like being forced to change simply for Microsofts marketing reasons.

I laugh when some claim they will stick to Windows 7, try buying Windows XP - it's not possible. You are either going to change to Windows 8 or change to something else, but change is coming.

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Re: Shoved down your throat

If you cannot buy XP you will obtain instead.

I had a little (30 sec play) with Win8 at the weekend, and it did something VERY stupid.

It was on a Win7 looking screen, I pressed the simple 2x2 Georgian Grill lookalike button between Ctrl and Alt and what happened?

The start menu DID NOT happen and some stupid mobile phone like screen appeared. Now every version of Windows I have used except for 2 and WFW, bring up a menu, where the f**k is it?

BTW I deleted Win 2 for disk space and only used WFW for a year or so until we went 98.

8 is simply not workable if you lose your screen whenever you hit that button.

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Re: Shoved down your throat

WindowsXP Pirated Edition - seems to be the way to go

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