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This December, Apple's Asian product assemblers will begin the first trial-production batch of its next version of the iPhone, said to be dubbed the iPhone 5S, in preparation for large-scale shipments (大舉出貨) to begin in the first quarter of next year. This news rumor comes via the Chinese-language Commercial Times in an article …

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Munster

Sounds like one of those apocalypse nutjobs insisting the world will end on a certain date - only to "revise" his claim due to "new interpretations" of the information provided to him by sources that only he has access to.

At least apocalyptical types bugger off after getting it wrong a few times - analysts just start predicting something else.

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Re: Munster

Well, they don't usually bugger off so much as the media gets tired of them being wrong over and over and just starts ignoring them.

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Re: Munster

Oops... Forgot to add the rest of the line...

...just starts ignoring them, like they (hopefully) will with these analysts.

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Re: Munster

Nice work if you can get it though, the buggers keep paying him for the not exactly taxing task of coming up with Apple friendly waffle that is merely slightly different from everyone elses Apple friendly waffle. He'd have gone down a storm in 1st century Palestine.

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Well whooptie fucking doo

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> For his part, Munster revised his timing prediction in late 2010, saying that Cupertino "will likely launch an all-in-one Apple Television in the next 2-4 years."

ah cmon, you can't let these "pundits" get away with it - "some kind of tech device in some kind of long timescale"?!?!

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Tell us the important news...

When will it be available in white?

But seriously, folks, how many people who shelled out for a 5 last month are going to shell out again for a 5S next month?

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Re: Tell us the important news...

>But seriously, folks, how many people who shelled out for a 5 last month are going to shell out again for a 5S next month?

Enough that the BBC news service (?) will run a report about the queues outside the local apple chapel as if it were actually news ?

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Re: Tell us the important news...

Maybe none (or just the seriously silly - unless it is really special) but maybe quite a few of those who didn't shell out for the iPhone 5 and are still using iPhone 4Ss, iPhone4s and even the 3GS and earlier or that don't yet have an iPhone.

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Re: Tell us the important news...

I suspect that scary fucker who flew from Sweden to London just to "celebrate" Apple by being first in the queue in Regent street for the iPhone 5 just might be happy to prise his wallet open. And he had some equally scary friends.

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Re: Tell us the important news...

>>how many people who shelled out for a 5 last month are going to shell out again for a 5S next month?

Probably the same people who bought the 4th iPad 6 months after the third one.

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Re: Tell us the important news...

If you wanted to run a spoiler on Apple's sales what better way to do it?

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Re: Tell us the important news...

and Stephen Fry

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Re: Tell us the important news...

Very few but that's not the point - I suspect most are NEW buyers. Of all my iPhone friends and colleagues I know NONE that upgrade each time a new model is out. Seems a common mis-perception that is bandied around - do Android owners replace their phones every 6 months when a new model is out.

In fact quite the opposite is true I know of people using 3GS handsets now 4+ years old - still in normal use every day. I have an iPad 2 - couple of versions old but still a fantastic tablet - guess a new retina screen would be nice but not necessary for web, email, video, music, some games I play.

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Mushroom

There will be no iPhone 5S...

... until they sort out their mapping application.

I bet that wasn't scheduled in the master plan, and I bet this hasn't been scheduled in peoples predictions.

How long will that take is the question. I wouldn't be surprised if they skip a scheduled iPhone release for this.

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Re: There will be no iPhone 5S...

I wouldn't put it past them to launch one anyway.

Everyone used to think that battery life was important until Apple came along. Everyone used to think that being able to make a phone call whilst on the move was important until Apple came along. Everyone used to take copy/paste for granted until Apple came along. Everyone used to think that Bluetooth interoperability was important until Apple came along. Everyone used to think that putting their own files on their mobile was important until Apple came along. Everyone used to think that being able to replace the battery was important until Apple came along (BTW didn't the EU have some law about that these days? What's happened to that?) Everyone used to think that warranty periods matching contract length was important until Apple came along. Everyone used to expect their mobiles to withstand the occasional bump and scrape until Apple came along and started making them out of glass. Everyone used to think that being able to plug in a microSD card was a good idea until Apple came along and started charging hundreds of dollars extra for the privilege of not having one at all. Everyone used to think that ring tone profiles were useful until Apple came along and decided that they weren't (I gather that iOS 6 sort of does them, but no where near as well as, for example, the truly ancient Nokia 6310i). Everyone used to think that good antenna design was important until Apple came along (most smartphones are now equally rubbish...).

Why should the concept of accurate working maps be any different? Needless to say I'm not going to buy one!

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Re: There will be no iPhone 5S...

Everyone used to think that battery life was important until Apple came along (and Sheeple bought them by the bucketloads). Everyone used to think that being able to make a phone call whilst on the move was important until Apple came along(and Sheeple bought them by the bucketloads). . Everyone used to take copy/paste for granted until Apple came along(and Sheeple bought them by the bucketloads). . Everyone used to think that Bluetooth interoperability was important until Apple came along(and Sheeple bought them by the bucketloads). . Everyone used to think that putting their own files on their mobile was important until Apple came along(and Sheeple bought them by the bucketloads). . Everyone used to think that being able to replace the battery was important until Apple came along (BTW didn't the EU have some law about that these days?(and Sheeple bought them by the bucketloads). What's happened to that?) Everyone used to think that warranty periods matching contract length was important until Apple came along(and Sheeple bought them by the bucketloads). . Everyone used to expect their mobiles to withstand the occasional bump and scrape until Apple came along and started making them out of glass(and Sheeple bought them by the bucketloads). . Everyone used to think that being able to plug in a microSD card was a good idea until Apple came along and started charging hundreds of dollars extra for the privilege of not having one at all(and Sheeple bought them by the bucketloads). . Everyone used to think that ring tone profiles were useful until Apple came along and decided that they weren't (I gather that iOS 6 sort of does them, but no where near as well as, for example, the truly ancient Nokia 6310i)(and Sheeple bought them by the bucketloads). . Everyone used to think that good antenna design was important until Apple came along (most smartphones are now equally rubbish...).(and Sheeple bought them by the bucketloads).

Why should the concept of accurate working maps be any different? Needless to say I'm not going to buy one! (and Sheeple will buy them by the bucketloads).

There, sorted for you.

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Re: There will be no iPhone 5S...

SOme more:

Everyone used to think that charger designs were to be standardised (MIcro USB) , until Apple came along (and extra costs for the adaptor).

Everyone used to think the E-book prices would come down, until Apple came along (and fixed the cartel)

Everyone used to think that Flash in browsers was the norm for internet, Until Apple came along.

Everyone use to think that any corners with rounded edges was preferable for safety and aesthetics, until Apple came along and patented it.

EVeryone used to think that Apple would apologise in British newspapers after the judgement, they buried it to make it almost irrelevant.

Now can I pre-order my Apple iPhone nth version please for about £1000 each?

Capitalism at its best.

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Re: There will be no iPhone 5S...

Blimey. I can't believe how ANGRY some of you people get over the success of a product that clearly meets the needs of millions of people who just happen to not be YOU. I'm not sure who is more unfortunate: the people who queue outside a store before a product is launched (let's not forget that this isn't a phenomenon reserved for Apple customers) or people who get so incandescent at someone else's shopping preferences!

Sounds like an Apple product isn't the right choice for YOU but, to be honest, you sound pretty whiny when you bleat about how terrible their products are, particularly when it's so one-sided: presumably everything made or done by ANY other company is sheer perfection in comparison so you should be HAPPY that Apple throws things into such sharp relief for you.

Apple's ethics may be terrible but it baffles me as to why people continue to post their incoherent ramblings on an IT forum - as if they're trying to offer a public service to open people's eyes to their own personal version of reality. There are plenty of forums dedicated to anti-Apple views; why not go and post over there where you'll be amongst like-minded individuals, rather than here.

And perhaps I'm the only one who can see the irony of people using the term "sheeple" so often that they themselves are demonstrating the very behaviours that the term is intended to convey...

For what I need, most of Apple's products are too expensive and don't have all the features I need but I'm not wasting my time repeatedly bashing them - I make my choice and buy whatever suits me best whilst realising (and being happy) that millions are very happy with their Apple products.

AC because we can all predict the hysterical response that this is likely to get from people who are dedicated to all things anti-Apple.

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Re: There will be no iPhone 5S...

@bazza I don't know if you read the news but one of the Apple's execs resigned over the issue with the mapping application. No other exec is going to want to resign over the next phone, the next phone WILL HAVE TO have a decent mapping application (or else Apple will look bad again), and that may take a little time,

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i bet you're incredibly flabby and a virgin.

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Well said, I still think most of those are "good ideas" and with each new Apple product it's quite a simple task to run a checklist then walk away.

Until they do replaceable batteries, expandable memory and a reduction in their ridiculous price premiums I know I'll never buy any of their offerings.

No matter how shiny.

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Re: There will be no iPhone 5S...

Do you know what I find ironic about Android users? They go on about how Android is the best selling mobile OS, beating the iPhone by miles, then call iOS fans "sheeple". Maybe I should have said "bleat on".

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@HP Cynic

"Well said, I still think most of those are "good ideas" and with each new Apple product it's quite a simple task to run a checklist then walk away."

Excellent advice. Also needed for other manufacturers offerings too though. Sometimes people want different things, and an Apple product will tick more boxes than an Android/Microsoft/Whatever.

"Until they do replaceable batteries, expandable memory and a reduction in their ridiculous price premiums I know I'll never buy any of their offerings."

First two I could care less about. Ridiculous price premiums? I keep hearing this but can't find any proof. Maybe it's different over the pond in the US?

Over here in the UK, a quick comparison of the latest iPhone and it's main competitor Galaxy S3 shows a difference of approx £200 over a 24 month period. Now that is definitely something to take into account - but really - ridiculous? You're saying that less than £10 difference per month is ridiculous? Especially when most of that will be recovered if you sell the phone afterwards, whereas the Samsung would be worth significantly less after those 24 months.

"No matter how shiny."

Almost all phones, lately, seem pretty shiny to me. It's very annoying.

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@AC 09:03

"...Why should the concept of accurate working maps be any different? Needless to say I'm not going to buy one! (and Sheeple will buy them by the bucketloads).

There, sorted for you."

Aha, I forgot that part! Personally speaking I find it depressing that shiny mediocrity sells so well. What's happened to the human race?

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Re: There will be no iPhone 5S...

@AlexS,

Perhaps, but they must have known that the maps were rubbish before they launched iPhone 5 and they went ahead anyway.

@AC 10:29

"Sounds like an Apple product isn't the right choice for YOU but, to be honest, you sound pretty whiny when you bleat about how terrible their products are, particularly when it's so one-sided: presumably everything made or done by ANY other company is sheer perfection in comparison so you should be HAPPY that Apple throws things into such sharp relief for you."

The problem with Apple is that they can't see beyond the end of their nose. If they chose to do some of the things that used to be 'normal' then they'd truly have a phone with universal appeal and they'd would own the whole market, probably forever. However as things stand they are losing market share to Android and Samsung, and the problem really lies in their approach to the customer base.

Everything they've done has generated high sales, but the technical omissions leaves room for others like Google to sneak in and win in the long run. Shiney is undoubtedly good, and it is satisfying to see people happy with their purchases. But shiney + functionality is probably better in most people's opinion, especially if it is a little bit cheaper. None of that is my problem, I'm not a shareholder...

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If the report is right...

...at least if they can't get the buggy software corrected, they can make it buggy twice as fast.

Ok, I'm leaving.

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I don't buy it

What is Apple going to do differently with the 5S that would make them want to release it within a few months of the 5? Is it going to have a 5" screen? Add a pointless gimmick like wireless charging?

If they are getting ready to crank up production of something, I would bet on the A1442 SKU - that's the iPhone 5 model that's rumored to be designed for China Mobile's network

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Re: I don't buy it

Well, I think they are experimenting with their release schedule more than anything: how many products can we be iterating on and at what frequency to maximize money. The actual improvements in those products barely matter in this scheme, just keep announcing them and pushing them out the door until they discover the sweet spot.

I think they have likely gone too far this year, the iPad 4 appeared so soon after the iPad 3 I know a few true fanbois who felt agrieved.

And I am pretty sure with the iPhone 4S they said "you all told us you thought the screen size was perfect and did not want it larger" only to announce the 5 soon after with a new "perfect screen size".

Just as the iPad Mini was suddenly the "perfect size" and suddenly Retina screens did not matter.

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Re: I don't buy it

Probably Qualcomm's Global LTE chip that handles all known bands.

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Re: I don't buy it

They've already got it. But having a chip that supports all the bands is only part of the picture. You need multiple antennas to support multiple bands, and multiple power amplifiers for multiple bands. It's impossible to support all the worldwide LTE bands in a single phone and keep it anywhere near as thin as the iPhone 5 is. Probably not even possible in a GS3 form factor.

Originally Apple had only one model, when they added CDMA they had two temporarily but merged them again with the 4S. But with the 5 doing LTE, they had to give up and do like everyone else is doing, and have different models for different parts of the world. There were a semi-reasonable number of GSM/HSPA bands, but LTE is all over the place, and most of the world hasn't even begun deploying it. It is going to be a gigantic mess in a few years. There will never be such a thing as an LTE "world phone", though there may be some LTE "most of the world you probably care about if you don't travel too widely" phones.

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Re: I don't buy it

> You need multiple antennas to support multiple bands

That's not *necessarily* true.

What we did years ago was to build trapped aerials - you insert one or more pairs of parallel tuned circuits into a longer antenna. At the resonant frequency of the trap, the outer bits are effectively disconnected (because the circuit goes high-Z), leaving you with the shorter antenna only.

Whether you could build a trapped antenna for a mobile phone is a question I'll leave to others with more recent experience...

Vic.

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iTV

They might want to change that for the UK. Given its current associations, using that moniker over here would be the branding equivalent of dressing your shiny tech up in a badly fitting clown suit and inviting the public to smear it with a mixture of rotten fruit and pulped copies of the Daily Fail's "jimmy Saville commemorative edition".

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Re: iTV

I gather (El Reg passum) that ITV lawyers have already been in touch to point out that the name is their's, no matter what the quality of the programs. Given Apple's lack of success in the UK courts recently they would be well advised to pay attention!

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Re: iTV

They'll have to change it for the US too, as ITV have an active presence in the US making programmes for the US networks.

They're also in Australia, France, Germany & Sweden. That's some fairly hefty markets where 'ITV' is already taken...

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Re: iTV

Just buy iTV - simple.

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Re: iTV

Given that the original Apple TV was to be called "iTV" and they abandoned it due to the broadcaster already owning the name, it's likely that the same thing will happen here, i.e. it'll become the third-generation Apple TV.

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Seeing as Apple is unlikely (IMO) to ever release a TV, what they call it is probably irrelevant..

Why won't they release it? Look at their history. They have only ever entered markets that are relatively small, profitable and make it easy for Apple to establish their name. In the 70s and 80s, they entered (and to a large extent, created) the computer market. Then, in the early 90s, they attempted a PDA (which was then small, and largely consisted of Psion organisers). Then in the early 2000s, they attemtped a music player. While this market was larger than the PDA market of the early 90s, it was still a lot smaller than it is today, with a lot of small manufacturers, but very few large ones).

Then came their entry into the Smartphone market. Again, this was a lot smaller than it is now (in fact, most phones didn't even come with a full web-browser and WiFi connection, and even assuming they could run apps (most couldn't), they were limited. Apple came to the market with a phone that offered all that and only really lacked Apps. Then they launched the App Store and iOS SDK.

Regarding the tablet market, well, around the early 2000s, a few manufacturers had a go, but none of their products ever took off. The iPad did (despite being a large iPhone with no calling capability).

My point is that Apple has (in the past) tended to enter markets where the market is small, there aren't many players and the market has the potential to be profitable.

The TV market is large, and has hundreds of companies operating in it,, and the profit margins are minimal. Hell, even the massive multinational electronics companies are reporting massive losses in their TV manufacturing departments.

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Good luck Apple

Getting people to upgrade their TV to the next shiny model each year.

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Re: Good luck Apple

Which is exactly why an iTV won't work. Apple relies on people replacing their devices every 2 years or so, whereas you replace your TV more like every 5 years at the most. They would be much better off making their current 'Apple TV' system something actually worth buying; rather than having to pay to get a box which lets me pay again.

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Re: Good luck Apple

more like every month! silly sheeps

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Re: Good luck Apple

more like every month! silly sheeps"

Indeed, unlike everyone else who bought the perfect device and has never upgraded it since.

Sent from my Compaq Deskpro 386 SX-25

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Re: Good luck Apple

This apple upgrade stuff is just BS - I've had my macbook over 4 years and it works just fine. My dad has a 4+ year old iPhone 3GS and it's just fine. I suspect very few apple users actually upgrade each time - most probably on the standard 18-24 month contract renewal (or longer). If anything I reckon the MTTU (mean time to upgrade) is longer with apple kit that most other stuff - especially other makers phones.

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Re: Good luck Apple

Every 6 months now.......

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Wasn't this more meaningful when...

Apple made better products?

Really, this year, Microsoft... yes Microsoft has outdone Apple on cool.... with the exception of Nokia phones. When Microsoft has their phone and Surface Pro out, I just don't see what will make Apple interesting anymore. I have bought 4 iPads, 4 iPhones, 2 Mac Minis, 2 Apple TVs, 2 Mac Books, etc... and frankly, now that Microsoft has finally gotten in the game, and frankly, Windows 8 is just about 10000 times better than iOS (and Mac OS X), I just can't see this mattering.

Apple went from being a monster early on to being almost nothing when Steve Jobs left. Somehow, I feel that Tim Cook just doesn't get it either and there will be no Steve Jobs coming back this time.

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Re: Wasn't this more meaningful when...

Bloody hell, think of how much money you could have saved if you had bought one good smartphone, one good PC and one good TV instead of following fashion.

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Re: Wasn't this more meaningful when...

you might be right. However your argument assumes that everyone who buys Apple kit replaces it every year.

The reality is that you couldn't be further from the truth.

I have a

5yr old 17in MBP that run Photoshop CS6 fine,

a 4yr old iPod touch,

a 9 yr old Nokia 6310i (ok, not a smartphone but more use to me than the HTC Sensation POS that I used until recently) and

a 2yr old LG TV (replaced when the old CRT one when phut)

I've just bought a cheapo Android tablet

I also drive an 8yr old car yet some people brand me as a 'fanboi' becasue I have two apple products.

I wish more people who post here would get a sense of reality. Oh silly me, they are in an Android RDF.

I don't know anyone who goes 'oh shiny, I must have one' when any company introduces a new version of a product.

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Re: Wasn't this more meaningful when...

I have a 'must be' 10 year old iPod in my car - it was a standard 60Gb iPod at first and carried it around with me, then made it the in car system in one car, 3 years later moved it to the next car, 4 years later moved it to my current car (which is 2 years old) so yes it must be 10 years old and works just the same.

Wife had a 4 year old Macbook Pro that looks pretty much the same as the day she first got it - runs the latest software. I know plenty of people with iPhones as old as the 3GS and iPads of all different generations and all are still in use. No-one is rushing out to get the new model as the stuff just lasts.

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Re: Wasn't this more meaningful when...

I don't own any Android devices.

I do however know 4 people who own iPhones, iPads and iMacs and they do indeed update them at every iteration (sometimes "sensibly" skipping one) and could truly be called "Fanbois" (and girls).

They are now griping at the release frequency. I did warn them this would happen before the iPad appeared - they will keep adding products into the gaps, you will want them, they will keep updating them, you will want them and your wallets will bleed.

As a neutral observer I think Apple should release updates when they have something significant to update, not just because they have moved into the next quarter. Ah well, they're the billionaires not me!

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