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Apple has removed from its UK website the JavaScript code that caused its court-mandated apology to always be displayed "below the fold" – meaning that you had to scroll down the web page to find it. If you launched Apple's UK website earlier this week and resized your browser window, a bit of JavaScript code called "heroResize …

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Anonymous Coward

Who in this world ever apologises when they believe they are 'right' but are told they are wrong?

My wife never does though on occasion she says she may be mistaken.

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Barrack Obama comes to mind.

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"Barrack Obama comes to mind."

So do George W Bush and Tony Blair.

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"Who in this world ever apologises when they believe they are 'right' but are told they are wrong?"

Hmmm,

People in danger of being in contempt of court perhaps... ;)

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And Lionel Blair.

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Thankyou, Sir. May I have another?..

Reminds me of that tragic kid when you were a small child who got a smack on the back of his legs but kept trying to dodge it.

Ended up getting about 10 slaps as his mum/dad made sure the message was adequately recieved.

Of course these days those parents would have to be shaved, sterilized and destroyed.

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Go

Re: Thankyou, Sir. May I have another?..

Charge them £1 for every "copied" device they've sold in the UK.

Now that would be interesting, not from the money perspective, but from the real sales figures for the UK - would they downgrade the numbers to reduce the fine, or upgrade the numbers to increase the publicity :)

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Re: Thankyou, Sir. May I have another?..

Ah, the good old days of parenting! I remember as if it was yesterday! Nowadays you'll have to knee in front of your spoiled tender sprouts and beg them for every little thing you want from them, like being polite, obey etc. Oh, and here in Canada you have a good chance of being sued by them in court.

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so...

instead of pushing below the fold by auto-resizing, they're pushing below the fold by leaving the image size at "really fucking big".

Usually when a PR train derails, an organisation's first reaction is to stop the train. Apple seem content to run it into the ground.

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Re: so...

They may have as well hidden pictures of Barbara Streisand's house under the fold. Doesn't anyone at Apple realize this actually draws more attention to the "apology" and prolongs the humiliation?

Also, tip to the courts: next time order the court-mandated text to be displayed in red frame at the top of the page or, better yet, make the entire landing page out of the message with "continue" button. That will instantly make companies like Apple downright reasonable in your courtroom.

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Re: so...

No it doesn't. It draws attention to the fact that Apple strongly disagrees. Which is their point I suspect -- the longer this goes on, the more people think "galaxy? oh yeah that ipad clone"...

You can't eat your cake and have it: either Apple is only good at marketing (selling bucketloads of mediocre stuff at inflated prices) or they're incredibly stupid at it (but then how do you maintain that they're so good at selling?).

Us sitting in our chairs are not even of the level of amateurs at this marketing game. I'm sure Apple has tested reactions, and the UK Samsung victory was Pyrrhic at best: "it's too uncool to be a copy". Every newspaper article about the apology hide&seek quotes that hilarious* putdown (certainly in less techy sites -- here every reader knows it).

*Hilarious for the admittedly special value/context of a judicial proceeding, of course, with grown men wearing 17th century wigs.

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Re: so...

Did David Briss wear a wig for this one? Have you checked?

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I'm not keen on Apple products, but I have purchased two in the past for my wife.

Apple won't be seeing any more of my money after all this.

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Ahh...

But they might see your wife!

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Sue the wife....

/coat and handbag.

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Nuke them

OMG why doesnt the judge just put these MORONS in jail? He hasnt got balls or something??

What a load of wank!

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Re: Nuke them

The judge should convict them of contempt of court, fine them whatever they would pay their web designers for the duration the apology should appear, and have the Clerk of the court do the web design for that period. "If you won't do it properly, we-ll do it!"

That's not a coat, it's the scales of justice.

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Re: Nuke them

"OMG why doesnt the judge just put these MORONS in jail? He hasnt got balls or something??

What a load of wank!"

Good to know that given an encyclopaedic knowledge of Law, a hefty slice of authority and a backlog of criminal cases to hear, that you'd ride roughshod over legislation and waste a bunch of time trying to extradite US citizens for contempt of court.

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Re: have the Clerk of the court do the web design

I like it!

And give the clerk one of those ancient Teach yourself HTML 3.0 Guides so he knows how to design it. And since he won't have proper time to do all the ADA compliance testing, for the landing page he goes straight to the high contrast and large letter design for the visually impaired. Single click through link at the bottom of the page redirects to the normal website. And he gets to make it the worldwide corporate landing page.

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C*nts.

That is all.

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So, did they remove the Javascript because it might have got them in trouble?

Or did they remove it because it breaks the page layout on every single available browser for Android?

After all, if you're trying to woo owners of the competition, having your page look like this or even better this, is really not a good idea.

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It displayed fine on Chrome on my Galaxy S3.

Fragmentation?

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Maybe a difference between tablet and phone? I've noticed ICS/JB on phones doesn't have that annoying permabar, for one.

A moot point anyway, but still worth a giggle for a company that praises itself so highly on its design skills.

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> Or did they remove it because it breaks the page layout on every single available browser for Android?

Nope. If you have bought an android phone, you'll never buy an apple product (or so Apple say). You're no longer in their target market.

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According to Apple, you bought an Android phone because you thought it was an iDevice. They look so similar that you can't tell the difference.

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words

Is it just me or does seeing "Samsung/Apple UK judgement" make you think the link is to a Samsung site not another part of the apple site

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Re: words

Words indeed... Note how they refer to it.. Apple pulled Samsung into court over this, and afaik it's customary to put the *plaintiff* first when referring to court cases..--> Plaintiff v/s Defendant.

They try to make it look as if Samsung is the one who started the ball rolling here.

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" They try to make it look as if Samsung is the one who started the ball rolling here."

Apple trying to give someone else the credit for something? I find that hard to believe!

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Samsung/Apple makes me think of a highly awkward slash fiction pairing where Tim Cook makes out with Kwon Oh Hyun.

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"Apple pulled Samsung into court over this, and afaik it's customary to put the *plaintiff* first when referring to court cases..--> Plaintiff v/s Defendant. They try to make it look as if Samsung is the one who started the ball rolling here."

They're actually correct in this specific case.

Samsung went to court in order to ask for a statement from Apple that their device was not infringing, and then Apple launched a counter-case. The statement is a result of Samsung UK vs Apple

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Now you now why they wanted 14 days to change it.

Needed to outsource the proof reading to China then await the return of it on a slow boat.

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Simple solution

Fine them $100 million per day until they comply.

After the 1st week, start impounding their uk imports and destroy them.

They'll come around.

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Re: Simple solution

Don't destroy them all. Pop linux on the Macs and distribute them to schools (just not welsh ones).

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Anonymous Coward

Like I said before, Apple could have put the apology in a Flash banner ad. Apple users would never see it, but the judge most likely would.

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Possible email exchange....

> From: Apple attorneys

> To: Judge Jacob

> Re: website apology

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> it would take up to 14 days to change the statement

Change your website apology. Not that big of a deal.

Judge Jacob

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Re: Possible email exchange....

"Change your website apology. Not that big of a deal."

Except the judge probably would have got the grammar right.

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Re: Possible email exchange....

Makes me think of an upcoming "Tweets from Hillary".

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Re: Possible email exchange....

"Except the judge probably would have got the grammar right."

Oh, come on. That ugly, dangling, vestigial "of" that ruins the rhythm of a sentence is the funnest mangling of English for ages!

(ducking and running)

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Not to nit-pick but ..

42 inches

1920*1080 resolution and it STILL comes up right outside of the screen. Maybe they just changed how they do it so it's less obvious?

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Re: Not to nit-pick but ..

Indeed...

I'm running 1920*1080 as well - have to zoom to 80% to see it.

Granted I had to zoom to 60 or 50 before to see it...

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Anonymous Coward

Re: Not to nit-pick but ..

Why does the size matter? It could be a quintillion inches monitor at 1920*1080 resolution and it would be the same.

Size doesn't matter, as I like to think.

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Anonymous Coward

They should have told the judge to get bent in the first place and then ride out of the court room on a motorcycle painted like like American flag.

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They don't have style

And they don't have any class either.

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Headmaster

That would be "Contempt of Court"

Which translates as:-

Go to jail.

Go directly to jail.

Do not pass go.

Do not collect $200.

Stay there until the judge decides you're sorry.

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Another vote for a contempt charge

As I stated before, I like their products but this behaviour is intolerable.

I can see that it's a classic US response to a judgement because US law is based on the letter of the law, not the intent, but I think you can argue that the statement should be instantly visible instead of hidden. Otherwise, it means it will act as a precedent for when Facebook gets slammed in court - if they put it where their "help" link is (at the bottom) you will never get to it because they keep backfilling the page when you scroll.

I think the judgement should be revisited: as punishment, they now have to run the statement where presently the text for the new iPad appears, in the same font (type and size). Or spend a couple of weeks in jail. It would be interesting to see what they would choose..

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Re: Another vote for a contempt charge

No excuses - they have operations in the UK, they have UK based lawyers who studied UK Law in the UK and who practise UK law in the UK in the UK courts.

But then when did management ever listen to the knowledgeable staff they employ.

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When you are in a hole stop digging

But Apple's PR team seem to have placed an order for a large tunnel boring machine to ensure they go really deep.

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Holmes

Hang on...

When I first looked at this page, there was just the iPad mini.

Now they've added in the other iPad, so it's still way off down the bottom of the page and now needs /more/ scrolling to get to it.

Or am I missing something?

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The random sample of regional websites that I looked at seem all to have lost the image resize code.

Instead there is now a default of 'fecking huge' so if I was willing to believe that it was a coincidence that the regional websites had resize code at about the same time the UK judgement happened, I'm less willing now.

All those international sites apart from Mexico are using two images on the main page (iPad and iPad Retina) which are probably alternated between using cookies. Mexico's got a huge iPhone 5, however the Mexican court said that it lost the right to use 'iPhone'. Obviously Apple's legal department are feeling feisty.

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