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Remember the Mac mini? That cute li'l system that found its way into everything from server closets to DeLoreans? Well, Apple remembers it as well, and at Tuesday's "a little more" event, Cupertino gave the little fellow its first upgrade in well over a year. The new Mac mini desktop model is available in two versions, one with …

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integrated Graphics chip.....pooo.

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No, fully upgradable!

Were we not reading the same article? It has dual pcie bridged slots! There is even room for 3 extra cd drives.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to add an extra isa printer port in my new iPad.

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Eh, is there a disc drive?

When did that tech become obsolete?

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What do you expect in a box that size? There's hardly room for a pair of double-slot SLI/Crossfire GPU cards.

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When Apple said so.

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Re: No, fully upgradable!

Doh......The new Mac Minis ALL have the Intel HD Graphics 4000, integrated with the processor, where as previously you get buy a Mac Mini with a AMD Radeon HD 6630M Discrete chip. The Intel HD4000 is a 3 legged dog, with only about 50% of the capability of the discrete one, discrete, which means separate dedicated HD6630M chip. They could have gone for the Nvidia 640LE or similar.

Not so F*@K*ing clever now eh?

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Re: No, fully upgradable!

Forgive my ignorance, dear Derk but your first post read 'integrated Graphics chip". You didn't say what integrated chip you would like to have seen inside this little beauty.

Now who is not so F!@#!##!#!@!#@#@##$$#$^%$#$ing clever,eh?

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'still affordable'

Apple better be on speaking terms with El Reg now. Any potential buyer, after reading the article, will definitely be pursuaded!

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Just ditching a Mac Mini...

...for another Mac Mini! At work. You're right - they're very fine desktop machines.

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500MB hard disk eh?

I think I'll pop for the 1TB upgrade, all things considered --

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Re: 500MB hard disk eh?

For those with old mac mini's there's a very high probability they've got external storage attached. I'm one of them. So they'll probably save cash and go for 500gb.

It's nice that Apple thought about us oldies with Firewire 800's, but what about the display port? I've got an old 24" DVI Apple display which now needs an adaptor :-(

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Re: 500MB hard disk eh?

I thought thunderbolt was displayport compatible?

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Re: 500MB hard disk eh?

It is - but Silverburn said "display port" (meaning a port for the display) not "DisplayPort".

Fortunately HDMI can be broken out to DVI with a £2 cable.

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Re: 500MB hard disk eh?

The Mac Mini's come with a HDMI to DVI adaptor in the box - http://www.apple.com/uk/mac-mini/specs.html

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Re: 500MB hard disk eh?

quote: "It's nice that Apple thought about us oldies with Firewire 800's, but what about the display port? I've got an old 24" DVI Apple display which now needs an adaptor :-("

It does, but HDMI to DVI is just a passive adapter that you can pick up for a couple of quid (e.g. I've seen some for just over £1.00). So you can use the HDMI out of the back, and on the other end of the HDMI cable bung one of those to plug in to the DVI connector on the monitor. You may even be able to find cables with DVI on one end, and HDMI on the other, as they are electrically compatible (one of them is a subset of the other, but I can never remember which).

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If only it didn't have that damned hipster logo on the top.

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Afordable?

maybe but you pay twice what it's worth

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Re: Afordable?

Worth is perceptive.

To some of the more rapid fans, they'll be paying only half of what it's "worth".

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Re: Afordable?

* rabid. Doh.

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Re: Afordable?

Don't forget service after the sale, reliability, and lifetime of the hardware. Given that, the Mini isn't bad value for money.

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Re: Afordable?

Hey, you dropped this icon.

Signed,

An iMac owner.

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Re: Afordable?

No more expensive than a similarly specified DIY box, if you include the cost of a Windows licence. Not bad value.

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Everything Apple is pretentious.

(No focus follows mouse the height of stupidity - UNIX certification or not).

The old SGI boxes (Indy / Indigo etc) looked far cooler to me.

(Even the file manager looked better (It is in Jurassic Park)

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Focus follows mouse can be done with an addon (what, you want your Unix boxes to come with everything already configured exactly as you wish? Then you don't want Unix!).

The 'fsn' file manager wasn't a part of IRIX, it was a downloadable experimental addon. And it was unusably shit.

The SGI boxes were very pretty though. The 2.5kW PSU's were particularly glow-in-the-dark.

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No it can't ...

... not properly outside X. Search for Steve Yegge ...

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Re: No it can't ...

Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, focus-follows-mouse is an abomination. Leaving aside that it broke the mental model of what the mouse does ("choosing" things by clicking them), it required you to take your hands off the keyboard move the mouse and then reorient yourself constantly while multi-windowing.

Hover focus is useful for scrollwheeling, where the task is choosing a place to put the action (in this case, the action is typing), but to move *input* focus purely on the vagaries of such an easily disturbed variable as the mouse position is nothing more than infuriating for most users.

There's a reason why nobody copied it. As soon as manufacturers started doing HCI interaction studies with broadly-sourced user groups, these kind of hyperactive control schemes disappeared really quickly. (Drop-down, rather than click-down, menus were another pest that was weeded out quickly).

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Re: No it can't ...

Focus follows mouse is one of the first things I change on any Windows box I'm forced to use - I can then nudge the mouse between windows with my elbow, no need to remove hands from the keyboard.

Of course focus follows brain would be best ;)

It's really annoying having to click and raise windows in order to do anything when just nudging the mouse and then doing what you want is available.

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Re: No it can't ...

Alt-Tab. No need to use elbows.

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Re: No it can't ...

You control your mouse with your elbow? O_o

Can I have your autograph, Mr. Fantastic?

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I like my old Mini, the one with the optical drive in it. There are times when you really need an optical drive. After a HD crash is a good one.

They can drop the card reader. If it doesn't stack all of them, don't bother. More USB ports, especially one or two on the front would be handy.

Where does Apple find 500mb hard drives? And, why bother.

Apple needs to get a few people to review their designs that aren't under the influence of the Reality Distortion Field.

The Mini is an excellent portable compter. It's more robust than a laptop and packs enough horsepower for tradeshow duty and presentations. I've had issues with plugging my laptop into unknown systems for presentations.

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"Where does Apple find 500mb hard drives? And, why bother."

Because it's a 2.5" disk, and that's quite a popular capacity for that form factor?

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Yeah 500MB is obviously a common choice when even a blank CD is 700MB , great comment fail though.

Obviously a typo as it should be 500GB but an amusing one at least!

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Am I showing my age...

...if I say I hadn't noticed the MB/GB mixup?!

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Where is the front media slot?

The originals had a front DVD slot, and given that USB sticks are the official replacement why oh why is there no front USB port?

The front ports on my desktop and the side ports on my laptop are the ones I use the most. (Ok, there's a pack of things plugged into the rear ports but they are the things that are never unplugged.)

Why do Apple think I should clutter my desk with USB hubs?

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Re: Am I showing my age...

Not just you, hence my reply. Though would suggest OP makes sarcasm a bit more obvious if that was the case... unless they genuinely thought Apple were supplying a 500MB drive?

But little hint, if you set out to pedantic, make sure you're also correct - for example, what's a "500mb" drive? Would that be a milli-bit? Meaning the disk can only store 500 milli-bits, meaning 0.5 bits? How would that work then? Stretch it further to question if it's a milli-barn if you like..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_(unit)

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quad-core?

I can't think of too many people who need quad-core but don't need a proper graphics system.

And lets face it, ivy bridge dual core isn't *that* much better than a core2 duo, irrespective of Intel's architecture churn.

Its neat, its quite nice (apart from the silly lack of an optical drive for playing films) and I'd like one, but not enough to part with that much cash. For that much, I can have a notebook with screen and keyboard attached, better graphics and more disk, and its probably still thinner than the mini!

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Re: optical drives

Welcome to 201x, where optical media is getting replaced with DRM'ed downloads and streaming. Technically superior? Better quality? Probably not, but it does suit the media companies who 'claim' piracy of conventional media is ruining their business. Yeah right.

That and the small niggle that Apple don't support Blu-ray playback, and you're not likely to be buying crappy low res DVD's these days anyway if you're a media buff.

Re: laptop vs Mini...you do realise this is a desktop machine, right? And your laptop might be thinner, but it will be deeper and wider. But it's irrelevant as this is a desktop, remember...

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Re: quad-core?

Quad is nice when converting movie formats...

I spent a couple of months ripping DVDs to create .MKV files which I then Handbraked into .MP4 / .M4V files.

The job doesn't require any extreme graphics cards, but whatever CPU-resources you have really comes in handy...

Used 4 DVD-drives (Internal, 2 x USB, and and old IDE-based internal model hooked up via the gutted remains of a FireWire-based HDD case) to rip.

My 2005 Mini is 'slightly updated' with 2GB RAM, 80GB SSD, 2.16GHz Core2Duo CPU...

(Used my Iomega MiniMax 1TB for temporary storage and sent the final files to my NAS)

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Re: quad-core?

Converting video formats is actually something that graphics cards excel at as they support many of the codecs in hardware they also do parallelism much, much better than x86 CPUs.

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"Mac mini is still the world's most energy-efficient desktop – at idle it consumes just 11 watts."

A Trimslice consumes under 2W at idle, ranging up to 6W under load. It's not quite as fast, but that's not part of the statement above.

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But is it fast enough to be a proper desktop? MSOffice aside, can it power a decent spreadsheet system or cope with a 300 page tender document with resorting to vi and troff?

Don't get me wrong, I think trimslice is great, and the mini is overpriced, but I think I'd be inclined to run trimslice as a thin client to a remote desktop.

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Mini movers..

I dontated my "old" Intel based Core2 1.87GHz Mac Mini to my girlfriend who was a lifelong Windows user

Before rehoming the little white box, I upgraded it to 10.6.8, 2GB RAM and a 320GB HDD and fitted a cheapie KVM switch so she could alternate between her Windows PC and the Mini

Slowly but surely she felll in love with it and after a few months, the Windows machine became the dust trap as she now did almost all her work and media on the little Mac.

Her biggest praise was on how little space it occupied on her study desk and how quiet it was compared to her 'old' system and eventually she bought a Mac mouse and keyboard and removed the old PC from her desk.

It seems as if the Mini now offers some serious punch with Core i5/i7 processors, however the lack of an optical drive could deter some from ever buying one, even though they'll support almost any USB type DVD R/W.

The strongst point of the Mini is the fact you can connect it to existing peripherals, so it can accompany and live quite happily alongside a Windows box with a little help from a KVM switch

Apple were on to something when they released this little beastie all those years back...

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Re: Mini movers..

Yep, got one of those self-same Mac Minis here. Cheap and cheerful but also quiet, compact and useful.

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So how does that compare with a *normal* PC?

Given that Apple's *core* hardware is that of a PC.

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Why is it so pricey in NZ?

The basic model costs 949NZD here, yet 600USD to NZD is around 740NZD. I was tempted, but not now. Maybe Reg Hardware can show us some PC alternatives?

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Re: Why is it so pricey in NZ?

I can't quote for NZ, but US prices are always exclude taxes, whereas in the UK, prices are always quoted including taxes (VAT @ 20%)

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Re: Why is it so pricey in NZ?

Ah yes, I think you're right there. My bad,,,

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I think my Raspberry Pi, sitting on my desktop, consumes less power

OK it doesn't have some of the fancy bells and whistles, but neigher does the Mac Mini

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Mushroom

"A $999 Mac mini server option is also availble... with two 1TB hard drives inside."

Oooh, I'd like to see the failure rates on those bearing in mind Apple's legendary thermal engineering.

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