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Everything Everywhere has announced what it will charge for 4G mobile broadband today. Prices for the snappy connection starting at £36 a month. Unfortunately, that'll only feed punters 500MB of data a month, which could be gobbled quickly on a connection with download speeds ten times that of HSPA 3G. That allowance can be …

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Right no point getting the Note 2 LTE version with these prices. I just get the normal one. £31 for 500mb? I seen a deal for 1.5gb on t mobile for same price! Even my current £20 per month contract gives me 750mb.

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There will be enough people taking it up for bragging rights, but I will stick with 3G for now, the price will come down in a year or so.

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Makes no difference to me as I don't live in a big city and living out in the sticks it will be at least 2050 before they get round to where I live.

I have heard there is something called broadband?

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So this is what taking the piss is all about

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Those prices quoted are for new users, if you are already a T-Mob or Orange customer you can transfer over with your 4G phone and get 1GB allowance for £26 a month. I'm due an upgrade on T-Mob at the end of the month so going to get the Note II LTE and then transfer across giving me a better package than I currently have on T-Mob. Obviously an effort to get all their customers off Orange and T-Mob brand so they can wind them down.

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" if you are already a T-Mob or Orange customer"

...you also get charged 2/3 of your remaining contract for the privilege - timing is all...

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(a small clarification - for those not covered by the 4G phone or £99 upgrade path)

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Massive ouch.

I'm sticking with my £10/mo 3GB allowance on T-Mobile for now.

Fuck you EE.

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Mushroom

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Nokia Lumia 920 from £19.99 on a contract!!! Best handset currently announced and its not a bad price!

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I am on £10 a month, unlimited texts, data and 300 minutes. Buy your own device and don't go for a handset from them.

However for those prices, ain't going to take it up.

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Lets push 4G and get "the plebs" onto 4G plans asap.

Less congestion on 3G networks will improve speeds and reliability, and I won't have to pay stupid prices!

Similarly fibre, lets get as many as possible onto fibre as possible, to reduce the contention ratio on copper BB and improve service.

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You think the 4G network has seperate infrastructutre...

... and it's own fat data pipe?

More likely they 4G users will just swamp the existing backhauls more effectively!

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Re: You think the 4G network has seperate infrastructutre...

A 4G mast requires a minimum of a 1Gb connection to each Cell Site and each sell site IS getting a 1Gb connection trust me, where I work we are providing this circuit to the mast's all around the country that we can.

4G is on it's on data connection and doesn't use the same equipment as the 3G services.

Also as the article quotes that the Iphone 5 is 4G compatible, from what I have heard is that it is not 4G compatible but the 5S that comes out next year is, and those people who want a 4G compatible phone from Apple will be forced to buy a 5S.

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Re: You think the 4G network has seperate infrastructutre...

Leaving aside the grammar, the iPhone 5 *can* use the 4G signal from EE, but only EE; not O2 or the others. This is due to it only operating on the one frequency in the UK. Not that this should matter because only a complete twunt would use 4G at these prices.

And there is no iPhone5S you muppet, so stop rumour trolling / baiting. "Forced to buy a 4S" indeed. Pillock.

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"Not that this should matter because only a complete twunt would use 4G at these prices."

Sounds like the majority of iPhone users then!

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Mushroom

Re: You think the 4G network has seperate infrastructutre...

Yes - that's exactly what it has....

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Deja Vu?

It's like the UK 3G launch all over again...

It also seems (contrary to BBC reports) that hitting you data limit will shut off data completely (not just throttle your speed)

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Bullshit pricing

Seriously? £31 for a piss poor 500Mb a month?

As someone that moved around a lot for his previous line of work, I was dependant on a 3G dongle to play online gaming (and God forbid I should try to play a game that used P2P like Civ or Company of Heroes). In the space of a month I could *easily* burn through about 3Gb on nightly usage, game updates, driver updates, Teamspeek, Steam, etc, let alone downloading a full game.

No one and I do mean no-one uses 500Mb or more just to look at fricking web pages, which seems to be the delusion that Vodafone and other telecos seem to be living under.

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"As someone that moved around a lot for his previous line of work, I was dependant on a 3G dongle to play online gaming"

First-world problems.

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well yes, from what he has said i assume he lives in the 1st world. Not the 3rd world. Maybe its his 1st time around? He dosent speak the language, holds no currancy, he is surrounded by the sounds, the sounds of the market place spinning in infinity, he is a foreign man.......

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Re: Bullshit pricing

Alright Betty?

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Mushroom

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£31 a month is with a subsidised handset. Its less if you want contract only.

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500Mb? Seriously? Sheesh.

Like putting a 1 gallon fuel tank in a Ferrari.

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Re: 500Mb? Seriously? Sheesh.

500 Mb is fine for regular handset usage - it's the plan I'm on right now, and barely use half each month. I use wifi at work and at home anyway for the sake of speed, plus anywhere else that has it (increasing number of restaurant + coffee places these days) - which pretty much just leaves the train journey to/from work.

Of course, hook up the laptop and I could have blown the 500 Mb in minutes - or, for that matter, just pulling down a couple of app updates to the phone. Exactly the sort of cases 4G should be aimed at, in fact: the people (like me!) who have a use for a 500 Mb plan (as opposed to the 10Gb one I have on the tablet, so I can watch video, tether etc) really won't benefit from 4G even if they do get that signal.

I must admit, I saw those prices - having just been looking at 3G sim-only prices for a new c 500 Mb/month plus a few minutes+texts, and settled on a £6.90/month one - and wondered if they'd used some other currency by mistake. Squeeze the monopoly while you can?

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Roaming

Does anybody know if the £5 a month for overseas use can be purchased ad-hoc, or do you have to stump up for it for the duration of your contract?

Still reeling for one phone call in America that cost me over £10...

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rotfl

they forgot we're still in the middle of a deep economic shit and people are not exactly oveflowing with spare money. I can't believe how stupid they are, they got this 6 - 12 months headstart, a perfect way to lock in as many punters as possible for a good few years to come, as once they join, most of them will stay. Instead they went for a fast buck, but with those caps... they won't get many of us, plebs, to join ;)

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A case of Deep Pocket Inspection?

Mine's the one with the big pockets that used to hold my money, until I went for everything, everywhere...

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Fixed it for you

"Everything Everywhere prices up"

That's about it.

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WOW 4G

With 4G you can now wipe out your pathetic data allowance 10 times faster than 3G users.

All the telcos in the UK are a pile of S**t. What's the point of fast data access if you then end up spending £00's each month be cause you've gone over your allowance.

This is hardly doing anything to improve the UK's reputation as a digital economy. It's a bit like expanding the first mile of a motorway to 8 lanes, and then claiming that this will improve performance across the whole road system.

Before selling the licenses, the government should have stipulated that any operator of 4G MUST offer a minimum of 100GB of data free each month, with defined maximum contention ratios

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You might want to look at Three or GiffGaff.

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"You might want to look at Three or GiffGaff."

And which of those is currently offering 4G?

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Re: "Before selling the licenses..."

They didn't. They sold them years ago to Tmo/Orange for something completely different, but in that corrupt way that UK regulation has of doing things, the goalposts shifted overnight on a whim and Ofcom handsomely rewarded spectrum hoarding, as opposed to ruthlessly pursuing the efficient use of spectrum that they shove down the neck of lesser mortals, such as the CAA and users of radio mikes among others.

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They know full well that most people won't get much 4G and so won't use up that data. But surely they will argue is it about getting the same amount of information faster, not using up the bandwidth constantly. Just like they argued broadband was about getting things faster.

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Neither. But for most people not living or working in a city the service 4G or not will be identical.

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Neither.

And neither is EE (read the 4G specs).

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>Before selling the licenses, the government should have stipulated that...

I'm sorry, your cure for corporate inadequacy requires a competent government interested in serving the well being of its citizens and the proper functioning of the country as a whole. Please try to think of another solution.

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100 GB!

Roflmfho!

In other news I hear that Weatherspoons are offering beer at £0.39 a pint because Tesco are offering Value lager at the same price.

You do recall that the MNOs paid a collective £24 billion in that auction AND have to pay for a network as well as giving you a £25 per month iPhone credit agreement? That's £400 per man woman child, customer or not. Would you pay the government for the right to go to work? Do you get a £600 phone from BT or VM and do they pay for the rights to lay copper and fibre?

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"Whether the likes of Vodafone and O2 will dramatically cut prices "

Yeah right.

Option 1: Undercut your competition and hope that enough people notice to get them to sign up to you instead, then further hope that you don't spark a price war, which would damage your profits.

Option 2: See that competition is charging outrageous prices and getting away with it, therefore charge same outrageous prices and get a slice of that pie while you can!

Guess which one is more likely to happen...

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500MB is paltry

Relative to the download speeds allowed. Nice of them to offer to replace my S3 with the LTE version for 99 squids but I'm perfectly happy on my £15.50 a month tariff (especially since the Orange WiFi app automatically connects me to BT hotspots when I'm out and about and all the Orange subscribers I regularly call are magic numbers).

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This is crazy pricing. LTE is designed from the ground up for data (so much so that voice calls still drop off to 3G), there's no excuse for silly limits like 500Mb, especially when you pay £31 for it.

The competition can't come soon enough.

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I don't see much point in a 4G plan with only 500mb of data. For £36 a month that's pretty pathetic even for EE/Orange standards... I've been paying the same for unlimited data, calls and 500 minutes of texts for the past two and a bit years (on Orange).

Hugely disappointing.

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WTF?

Well my 15 quid all you can eat rolling contract with Three doesn't look like it's any danger for the time being.

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Coffee/keyboard

<------- that is all

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£36 per Month for 500mb on a 24 month contract? That's £864 for 12gb or £72 per gigabyte or the best part of a thousand quid for the ability to download one game a year off Steam.

You sure they re-branded to "EE" and it's not actually "FU"?

Fuck EE anyway, they sent me a spam SMS at 07:50 on a Sunday morning. It advertised their LTE service in an area that's not covered for a phone I don't want.

Straw. Camel's back. I got my PAC the next day.

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count yourself lucky

My other half, formerly an Orange customer, had no service all day then 12 text messages at 4 in the fecking morning. Her brother who dares not to live in a city has been kicked off the new EE network altogether due to them deciding to turn off half the stations they've inherited. They can stuff their 4G snugly into the deepest part of their collective back-oassage.

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I have no intention of getting a 4G contract when I upgrade in a couple of months - 3G is fast enough for the browsing I do on my phone right now and I'd rather not pay the costs of having 4G - both in terms of money and the hit on battery life.

As long as I can still get a decent contract from them without being forced into LTE, I'll be happy. If not, I'll move.

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I'll stick with Three UK thanks ...

.... and with high speeds too.

With HSDPA+ up to 21mbps ( I get 16 on a regular basis) and all you can eat data for 15 quid. And I am on PAYG.

Appears to me that a lot of people are being suckered into 4G when they don't even take advantage of what they already have.

Oh, N1 London Balls Pond Road area for anyone who cares to know where I get that speed.

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And to think I was waiting to see what they would offer...

My contract ended last month so I was waiting around for three companies to pull their fingers out: Nokia, to reveal pricing and release dates of their new fancy Lumia 920, Microsoft to reveal the release date of their new fancy Windows Phone 8 and to allow Nokia to reveal the pricing and release dates of their new fancy Lumia and EE to reveal the release date and pricing of their new fancy 4G service...to allow Nokia's new fancy Lumia running Microsoft's new fancy Windows Phone 8 to run on the new fancy 4G network.

I'm glad I didn't bother in the end, I got a £13/month SIM only plan. Here's a note to telco, mobile and software companies the world over: when you announce something, don't wait too long to sell it and when you do, DON'T CHARGE TOO MUCH MORE THAN IT'S WORTH BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T FUCKING STUPID

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Got to laugh.

If you actually look at the EE website, you'll see those prices are inclusive of handset subsidies. So they aren't true prices.

The actual prices (without handset) are....

ALREADY GOT A 4G READY PHONE?

OUR SIM ONLY PLANS GIVE YOU 4GEE TO GO WITH IT. All 4GEE SIM ONLY PLANS COME WITH UNLIMITED CALLS AND TEXTS.

500MB £21

1GB £26

3GB £31

5GB £36

Still bad, but nearly half the price of the headline grabbing figures above, and not that far off Oranges SIM only prices.

What will be interesting, is what the handset subsidies are like. If they are competitive for something like an iPhone, or SIII, then it could be a whole different game.

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@Snail

The interesting thing is that even on those prices, 500MB costs you 4.2p per MB, but if you're a data hog, then 5GB is only 0.72p per MB.

Why is that data hogs are magically cheaper to serve? Is their data demand magically compressible? Are the costs of online billing lower when you have more zeros on them? Thought not.

The pricing structure is merely gouging, intended to deter mass adoption (perhaps because EE couldn't cope, possibly to preserve the legacy Torange user base), and probably hoping to set a new benchmark entry price.

Maybe they are right, of course, Apple users queue up to be reamed out for a so-so product, and maybe they'll need an LTE contract to boast about in Starbucks with their iPhone 5, overlooking that this is seven minutes of data download, or whatever.

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