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Blighty's internet providers have been asked to voluntarily block another three sites accused of piracy by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI). The BPI, which represents major UK record companies, has asked the ISPs to stop people accessing Fenopy, Kickass Torrents and H33T. “Like The Pirate Bay, these websites are …

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I hadn't heard of any of them

Thanks for the handy heads up to some new torrent sites.

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Re: I hadn't heard of any of them

Super, more sites to choose from....

Look how they have blocked Pirate Bay, there is just no way I can access it anymore, I mean they've just gone and..... ;-)

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SO, HOW MUCH TAX DO THESE

Major players the BPI represents pay in tax?

What you mean they live aboard, Cayman Islands you say?

Switzerland?

Money off shored you say?

Only spend 29 days a year I the UK you say?

They are as bent as the MP's that run this country.

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Rule of law

a rule of law that a person coming to court with a lawsuit or petition for a court order must be free from unfair conduct (have "clean hands" or not have done anything wrong) in regard to the subject matter of his/her claim. His/her activities not involved in the legal action can be abominable because they are considered irrelevant. As an affirmative defense (positive response) a defendant might claim the plaintiff (party suing him/her) has a "lack of clean hands" or "violates the clean hands doctrine" because the plaintiff has misled the defendant or has done something wrong regarding the matter under consideration.

How can our courts allow such judgements in favour of the BPI and who they represent.

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never mind them

How much tax do the BPI pay ?

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Whole thing is setting a dangerous precendent

"the order could come more quickly than The Pirate Bay one because of the precedents set in that case."

How long before requests are going in for blocks because a site hosts any torrent, ergo it has torrents and file share so it must be a dodgy illegal one?

Solicitor: Torrent site, here you go look a torrent...

Judge: Ah gotcha, where's my rubber stamp. Done.

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Re: I hadn't heard of any of them

my thought, exactly.

Second thought: where's me keyboard and me trusty google search...

there, so what were those two again...

mmm.... juicy!

methinks I should spread the word with my pals, before they get this court order in place...

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Re: I hadn't heard of any of them

"there, so what were those two again...

mmm.... juicy!"

so you've been looking for new torrent sites and not found any till this article tipped you off?

how hard were you looking?

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Re: never mind them

"How much tax do the BPI pay?"

Well, if by 'tax' you mean 'bribes'...

(joke obviously, ahem.)

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Because blocking access to TPB has *really* helped their cause.

In fact, the people that didn't know how to illegally download now do due to the BPI making such a fuss.

Brb, off to torrent all the things....

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Stop

Obviously they never read this

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/16/file_sharers_buy_more_music/

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Holmes

I bet they did read it

And kept very VERY quiet about it as it largely voids their already irrelevant (to the consumer) existence.

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Re: I bet they did read it

I wonder if those torrent sites will try using the survey as a form of defense.

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The truth is...

... they know that.

What they want is to keep the control on distribution and avoid that people find music by themselves, so it is still easy to feed them with the very profitable subsh*tty products made by a computer and a sound engineer in two days they call "music" .

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I wasn't aware of any of these sites before this request

Now I have three new bookmarks for when I need a .torrent

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Re: I wasn't aware of any of these sites before this request

so you've been looking for new torrent sites and not found any till this article tipped you off?

how hard were you looking?

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Torrentz

I thought everybody went to Torrentz and just clicked through from there...

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Those must be really good sites if the BPI want to shut them down

I bet they are really grateful for all the free advertising too!

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Thin end of the wedge.

Today it is "illegal" torrent sites. Tomorrow it is objectionable speech. Governments are starting to censor online information, pull tweets and take down FB pages THEY object to.

Coming soon, a politically correct web that will offend no one.

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Re: Thin end of the wedge.

Slippery slope... give it a few months and we'll see what the censor next... unless people wake up and see whats happening.

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Re: Thin end of the wedge.

Then if you want to do anything interesting, it will have to be on a .onion site.

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Re: Thin end of the wedge.

Coming soon the 'SubNet' - an uncensored free speech network buried within the internet.

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Re: Coming soon the 'SubNet'

It's called Tor. Learn to love it.

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Really?

"The existence of these sites damages the growth of Britain’s burgeoning digital music sector"

Clearly they damage it so much it has dropped off the radar. The only 'legit' sites I can see are all either directly or indirectly US based (I count sites such as Amazon UK as a US site since that is where the money heads to before being re-directed to a more lenient tax system).

Anyone know of a UK-created digital music sector website which is part of the aforementioned 'big labels'?.........

Anyone?

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Re: Really?

7Digital?

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Re: Really?

You beat me to the quote I was going to use. If the industry is burgeoning then doesn't it suggest that it isn't being damaged but is, you know, burgeoning? (rapidly growing).

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I saw this story earlier on The BBC News website

Apparently the BPI are using Nielsen Net Ratings to quantify their success. I'm not sure that the statistics they are using are accurate.

But then, I don't really care what the BPI do. Nothing they have done so far has affected me in the slightest.

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Re: I saw this story earlier on The BBC News website

>I don't really care what the BPI do. Nothing they have done so far has affected me in the slightest.

Well, not yet...

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" distributing music, without paying a penny to the musicians"

Which is exactly what we pay our musicians

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Pah!

So, they want to shitlist another three torrent sites? It will be as effective as the "blocking" of ThePritateBay.. which had very little impact on 'illegal' downloads as a whole..

There are dozens of torren sites and the recording and film industry are fighting a losing battle, because the more the block or try to close down, the more torrent sites will emerge

As I've said before, I am 'subscribed' to a small torren site which has quality content and decent seeds, so downloads are quick compared to most of the other torrents, even with BT's "traffic shaping"

I use this site to download TV series and the occassional movie, but use the better known torrent sites to grab old music or selected, hard to come by tracks.

Perhaps the recording and movie industry should negotiate with the torrent sites and possibly discuss the option for a "donate" scheme, where the monies would be controlled, audited and divided among those who believe they are hard done by illegal downloading..

Then again, we all know that will never happen, just like preventing the download of copyrighted content..

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Re: Pah!

Interesting enough I thought about that before,

why not have real adverts in the sidebars of torrent sites instead of ads claiming that my town is infested with russian fun women.

If they had targetted ads like "Hey, do you know you could get this legit for £n" then I may be inclined to purchase it as I torrent, or even a donate scheme like you mentioned. I wouldn't mind paying a couple of quid a month for a decent torrent site that doesnt contain spam -the only reason I don't atm is due seeing signing up to torrent sites as painting a target on yourself.

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Re: Pah!

I suspect like other 'well known' organisations on the planet, that it's still cheaper for them to litigate than innovate at the moment.

As soon as the pain point is reached where the net revenues (or losses) of innovation vs litigation become more attractive then they will.

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Self-serving hypocrites

"The existence of these sites damages the growth of Britain’s burgeoning digital music sector."

Well the existence of Amazon damages Britain's book-selling business. Why aren't we banning that? The existence of eBay damages the entire British retail sector. Not going to ban that too?

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Re: Self-serving hypocrites

I reckon ebay might be about the only thing keeping Royal Mail afloat, actually :o)

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Re: Self-serving hypocrites

Alfred,

Its because ebay and amazon pay the owners of the stuff they sell

duh

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Re: Self-serving hypocrites

Just like the BPI, eh?

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I hadn't heard of ONE of them.

H33T. But to be perfectly honest I use torrentscan (tscan.eu) which gives me a selection to choose from, so it'll be like the BPI playing whack-a-mole from now on. I use Zen internet anyway, so not one of the big nasties. :)

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Nielsen claim that traffic to TPB has fallen

However, I'd like to know how they're measuring that and whether they're including mirror traffic.

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Re: Nielsen claim that traffic to TPB has fallen

From what I can determine they aren't measuring mirrors and the overall traffic for Pirate Bay world wide has remained the same, would suggest that people have found ways round it through proxies and vpns.

Rather interesting is how the pirateparty website is now ranked about 200 in the uk for most visited sites.... wouldn't be a coincidence that it shot up the ranks from May onwards.

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Re: Nielsen claim that traffic to TPB has fallen

TPB is still available in my part of the UK, no proxies or VPN needed.

Anon to make it harder for bad guys

ps. <--that's a clue

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"Profit"?

"“Like The Pirate Bay, these websites are profiting illegally from distributing music that isn’t theirs, without permission and without paying a penny to the musicians, writers and producers who created it,"

Are they just allowed to outright lie these days? Not sure where they're profitting from it, but it's certainly not through distributing music.

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Re: "Profit"? Outright Lying is the norm today

I agree that none of these torrent sites are "Profiting" from the distribution of music (maybe just barely paying the bills), but who would want to promote factual information anymore.

All of the media lie, Big Media just lies more and louder. Apparently the bigger you are, you get to promote your own version of the truth whether or not there is ANY basis for "fact".

Remember, you can no longer trust anything you hear or see in the media. All of it can be faked and in most cases the court of public opinion does not care if it is a fake or not.

Never underestimate the power of ignorance. It is always easier to believe a lie when you are ignorant and uneducated which is why those in power want us all to stay that way. Conversly, the ignorant tend not to believe those who are educated (they are "too uppity").

Therefore, PR people, businessmen, politicians etc choose to lie to the ignorant public to maintain their "talking points", who then believe the lie (Obama is a Muslim, his birth certificate is a fake etc.) and to them, the lie becomes undeniable fact because of the people who told them the lie (Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh) are "trustworthy" "downhome" people who alway tell us folk the "truth".

What BT is doing is no different, if you say it enough, it must be real.

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Re: "Profit"?

"Are they just allowed to outright lie these days? "

lets not nitpick for fucks sake.

Yes - they profit, from the traffic they get the through the site, and profit big

Second - that " oh well the music is not stored on our servers " bullshit is not an excuse. Music is being pirated on an unprecedented scale and 99% of the work is done by the torrent tracker sites that link all the freetards together - so yes - they are "distributing"

much like a "drop shipper" who gets his stock sent directly from wholesaler to customer

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who?

yeah, never heard of any of them either... nice to know the BPI has such a good understanding of this matter

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Dodgy figures

The graph on the BBC shows a slow fall in traffic over a couple of months. Surely the block they put on TPB should have acted faster than that.

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Save the Enviroment

Don't buy CD's they end up in landfill, the BPI and the music industry are killing the planet!

And when will they stopping moaning about the number of jobs it costing the industry.... Master arrives, gets uploaded to server, gets downloaded on iTunes or master arrives, gets uploaded to server and gets pressed on to discs. How many people does that take?

Bottom line is this is affecting their bottom line, if they charged reasonable prices and didn't pay stupid amounts to artists and themselves i would happily pay for music (most of the time). Im pi**ed off with paying £10 when the raw materials and transport cost about a pound so I can watch MTV Cribs and see people with 50+ cars and 10 swimming pools.

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Re: Save the Enviroment

It isn't even that. It's the fact that the top ten artists get paid insane amounts almost entirely for concerts etc. When it comes to minor artists most of them live out the back of their vans.

The amount music artists actually get paid by record labels is naff all, compared to what the execs get. Look at Simon Cowell, he has a mansion, he has god knows how many cars and all he does for a living is say "I like your music, you're hired" or "you're shit"

And most of the acts he hires are god aweful. The only reason he has ever signed a big talent is because he signs so many and then abandons them after their first CD doesn't sell a million. It's the shisters at the top who are costing the music industry, the same way they're costing every other industry in the world. Giving themselves paychecks in the millions and then complaining that their company isn't making as much profit as they predicted.

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Re: Save the Enviroment

I'd give you a +10 for that if I could.

Totally agree, the people selling CD's are sh*t and if xfactor winners etc are what pass for talent then its no wonder the music industry isn't dead. Concerts are the way forward and in the past that was where the big names made the money, with good concert sales came good record\cd sales.

Ed Sheeran has the right idea, he's all for cheaper or even free downloads and more focus on live performance. He's the most pirated artist in the UK and he thinks its great!

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Re: Save the Enviroment

"It isn't even that. It's the fact that the top ten artists get paid insane amounts almost entirely for concerts etc. When it comes to minor artists most of them live out the back of their vans."

Big artists put on concerts to promote their records.

Small artists play live to FUND their records - which then get them more venue to play at.

For a brief (30 year) period, some artists managed to earn a very comfortable living from their craft, but most of the rest carried on as usual, moonlinghting from their dayjobs.

Andrew McClusky made a statement about why OMD disbanded at the peak of their fame along the lines of "When we started, we were living with our mums and earning 50 quid a week and 10 years later when we were famous, we still were living with our mums and earning 50 quid a week. At some point you have to go and get a real job."

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There should be an age limit on using the internet and anyone who wants to needs to pass a theory exam, just like how it works for driving. One question will be "do you know downloading music is illegal?" and if they get the answer wrong they don't get a license. Then if they download music illegally their license is revoked.

There are a few details to iron out but i think it would solve the problem.

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