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Last week, Reg reader movie buffs voted Ernst Stavro Blofeld as the vilest Bond villain - and the sinister cat-stroking nutter certainly deserves the title. Donald Pleasence as Blofeld, with his white cat Kill Bond and bring me some Whiskas, now! Blofeld first popped up in From Russia with Love and Thunderball, although fans …

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The first to vote? It's currently a landslide for Connery :D

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A few thousand votes later and it is pretty much the same!

I went for Connery too, although wishing it was proportional representation so I could give 2nd choice to Craig, so I'm glad to see that he is indeed in second place.

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He seemed to be more like the image portrayed in Flemming's Novels.

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I can't seem to find the entry for Matt Damon. :-p

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I bet Connery will come in first,and Craig second. (Although they're the other way, at the moment.)

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For me the best to capture the darker spirit of the Bond books are Dalton and Craig, but it has to be said that part of the popularity of teh Bond films is the underlying lightness and jocularity brought by Connery.

For me it's still Dalton, though, by a whisker. Of course, Craig still has a chance to overtake

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totally agree

Too much focus on the one liners for some of the more mainstream Bonds (Moore was by far the least good), but both Dalton and Craig can still deliver the one liners and at the same time come convince the audience that they are serious/cold enough to do the job - that's the essence of Bond for me,

Bond ranking:

1) Dalton

2) Craig (potential overtake)

3) Connery

4) Brosnan

5) Moore

Lazenby only had 1 chance, so it's hard to know how good he could have been....

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Surely the winner is...

...who ever pays the most to win?

Bond drinking Heineken?

Next movie? Bond is actually a Khazakstani ex-KGB double agent; because they paid the most money.

And he always makes sure his Nike shoes are clean. They paid the most money.

etc.

I know there's been product placements in Bond before, but it is getting beyond ridiculous.

"Skyfall"? More like "Skymall"

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Re: Surely the winner is...

Nothing wrong with a bit of product placement, remember the Nokia in Tomorrow never dies... and a few others such as the bmw instead of a bently or aston?

I would like to see Bond driving british cars (well as british as is possible now) more often!

We need to use bond as an advertisement for all thats british! get the world wanting what we make!

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Lets hear it for Lazenby

On Her Majesty's Secret Service problem is that it has Telly Savalas as Blofeld. Unfortunately instead of a creepy baldy super fiend, he plays the role as .... Telly Savalas. That pretty much makes it a Telly Savalas film, not a James Bond film. Lazenby does a good job with what he has left. This is the film where Bond marries his girl. Marries! That sounds a terrible idea, but Lazenby makes it work well. He carries the lines, 'That man had guts' after he throws a purser into a snow plough, every bit as good as Connery.

If he had stayed, we wouldn't have descended into the techno camp fest of the Moore years. And we would have been better for it.

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Re: Lets hear it for Lazenby

Here, here!

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From the Woodentops school of acting

And with badly filmed, semi intelligible fight scenes? I think not.

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Re: Lets hear it for Lazenby

Lazenby's greatest ever screen appearance.

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Re: Lets hear it for Lazenby

Aye, indeed.

I've only seen OHMSS once, but it's stuck in my mind more than most (that might have been Diana Rigg though).

It's a shame Lazenby only got to reprise his rôle in "The Return of the Man from UNCLE".

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Re: Woodentops!?!

Bloody hell! Who is going to explain this reference to the children here?

Next ballot is going to have to be a play-off between Bill and Ben (1) and Pinky and Perky (2).

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OHMSS is my favorite, but mostly for the outstanding performance by Diana Rigg.

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Very tempted by Connery, but in the end I had to vote Craig, based on how well he delivered one of his very first lines -

"Don't worry, the second is -"

*gunshot*

"Yes. Considerably."

Even Pierce Brosnan had his moments though.

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No. He looks too much like a Liverpool dock labourer. Well, from the days when Liverpool had docks...

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Dalton

Dalton was terribly under-rated. Two average films but not his fault. Always thought he was closest to the character that Fleming actually wrote.

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Re: closest to the character that Fleming actually wrote.

He probably was, but that's not why people go to see Bond movies. And exactly why I don't care for Craig and would put him at the bottom of my Bond actor list.

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Re: Dalton

Dalton is a fine actor with a good presence. But I don't really remember his Bond films very well. Roger Moore is my favourite. He once described his own acting style as "Left Eyebrow. Right Eyebrow".

Bless.

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I feel its a real shame that he only got two movies. License to Kill remains one of my favourite Bond movies. Also, who ever did the sound effects in the movie deserves a medal, there's a scene with the tanker truck and bullets ricocheting off produce the bond theme tune.

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Right so...

James Bond is meant to be an inconspicuous agent of the British Government. Daniel Craig although makes an entertaining Bond but just doesn't sit right with me... a muscle bound hulk in a suit isn't really fitting. Connery for me for his effortless awesomeness.

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Re: Right so...

Daniel Craig isn't actually a "muscle-bound hulk". He's naturally very lean-see the hotel scene in Layer Cake for instance. He then worked very hard and got into incredible shape to play Bond, putting on some muscle. The combination makes him look bigger.

Sean Connery was into body-building in the 50's. If you put both of them as Bond together, Connery would be much bigger looking.

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Re: Right so...

While Bond wasn't meant to be huge and ripped, Fleming notes (I think it was especially in Moonraker because it was set mostly in London) that his appearance was a bit out of place for the London of the time because he was tanned and generally wore better clothes than most.

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Brosnan totally looked the part...

...but the films made no sense. Never Die Another Not Enough was the worst.

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Re: Brosnan totally looked the part...

Have to agree with that. Brosnan had the charisma and flair for the roll, but the scripts shafted him like a two-bit henchman.

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Re: Brosnan totally looked the part...

I've always liked Brosnan as an actor, and thought that he'd have made a great Bond: he could be serious and humorous and could definitely convey the detatched cool needed for Bond. When they tried to sign him in the mid-80s but contracts forbade it. However, he became Bond after the Cold War, so the movies lost their way a bit. He was good, but the movies themselves weren't up to snuff.

I still liked them and watched them, of course, but ...

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Re: Brosnan totally looked the part...

I reckon the best Pierce Brosnan "Bond" movie was actually "The Tailor of Panana". Not a Bond movie, but a spy movie - and Brosnan played it wonderfully sleazy and nasty. (As real spies often are.)

"Don't be a cunt, Harry, we're made for each other. You've got the debts, I've got the money. Where's your patriotism?"

"I had it out in prison, without an anesthetic."

Le Carre - as an ex-intelligence officer - had very unromantic ideas of the secret agent business.

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Moore

I know Moore is a love/hate figure but For Your Eyes Only is one of my favourite Bonds. Very much back to basics. Pity Moore didn't leave on this high although from what I understand he did consider leaving but was offered huge sums for the next 2 films.

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Re: Moore

Moore will always be, and only be, Simon Templar. The Saint as Bond? Just doesn't work for me.

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Re: Moore

Same here. Pierce Brosnan will always be Remington Steele for me.

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Re: Moore

I always found the Moore films to be the most enjoyable because they really didn't take themselves seriously and there was room in the films for the other characters (Sheriff Pepper). Was complementary to Connery's action hero in emphasising a suave approach to saving the world and I enjoyed watching them both: it added to the Bond myth.

By the end of 70s the films, like the music were going downhill so while we gained Jaws we also got Moonraker and Bond went into scriptless sequel mode. Pierce Brosnan was destined to be a great Bond in the style of the earlier ones but fashions had changed.

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It worked for Ian Flemming; you know, the guy who wrote the James Bond stories? His first choice from the beginning was none other than (drumroll) Roger Moore.

Sean Connery was too dumb to really get how larky the whole thing is. Moore never missed a cue.

Pierce Brosnan had Ian Flemming spinning (not stirring) in his grave.

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Re: Moore

I thought Hugo Drax was the best villain, certainly the funniest.

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Moore

>so he's certain the eyebrow-twitching thesp is the definitive 00 number.

That's libelous. Moore never so much as thought about twitching an eyebrow, he got a stunt double to do it for him.

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Difficult choice

I think you're on to something with the age thing. Until recently it was obviously Connery for this old fart, but Craig is so bloody good he gets my vote.

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Re: Difficult choice

Well Moore was my favourite as I saw him playing Bond first. However, once I was in my twenties I grew to prefer Connery.

Lazenby wasn't in long enough to be sure.

Moore was... well Roger Moore although the bad guy's line in Moonraker almost saved it "I'm going to put you out of my misery Mr. Bond".

Dalton was given crap films so I can't vote for him.

Brosnan was good in his first two but gradually went down hill.

Craig... hmmmm... difficult to say. I liked him in Layer Cake and if you accept that he is trying something new I think he's quite good.

So, Connery first followed by Craig/Brosnan as joint second.

BTW I think the film Ronin has the highest number of Bond bad guys in it without being a Bond film.

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"Dalton was given crap films so I can't vote for him"

And yet you're willing to put Craig second, even though Quorum of Bollocks is the worst Bond movie and he's only made one other (see: Lazenby)?

I'll be voting for Dalton as soon as I get to a computer where the poll works because he was closest to the character as written. It's close with Connery, though, as Fleming approved of his portrayal.

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Re: "Dalton was given crap films so I can't vote for him"

I'm not sure Quantum is the worst, did you see "View to a kill"? It wasn't that great though. I suppose I'm willing to give him time as he has done another one and I think he's signed up to do more, plus I liked "Layer Cake" :-)

I like the idea that he (Craig) is trying something different. It worked fairly well in Casino Royale, it was so so in Quantum so I'm looking to Skyfall to see if the character matures and finaly builds on what they've started.

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"I'm not sure Quantum is the worst, did you see "View to a kill"? "

In the cinema when it first came out, as I have with every Bond movie since Octopussy. Say what you like about Moore being too old - he certainly was in VTAK - but however silly his movies got they still had a leavening of good nature that kept them watchable. QoS was po-faced and humourless, with Bond driven by revenge for a woman he had used and callously thrown away in the book of Casino Royale and who we'd been given no reason to like in the movie based on it.

In fact, it boggles me why people like Craig as Bond at all. Brosnan's later movies were just as silly as Moore's were, and Craig's are no darker than Dalton's. But Dalton was slated for being too dark and "not what we want from Bond", while Craig is treated like the Second Coming of Sean Connery.

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Re: "I'm not sure Quantum is the worst, did you see "View to a kill"? "

VTAK was just a load of offensively crap bollocks and put me off wanting to see any RM film again.

Apart from maybe TSWLM.

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If you read the books

you get the idea that Bond is basically a thug. Urbane, witty, charming, but someone who would just as likely kill you as look at you - definitely to be avoided in a dark alley.

Of all the actors who have played Bond, only Connery and Craig (IMHO) have had that edge of danger about their presence which conveyed an air of menace. Which is why Roger Moore was so, so, so, so wrong.

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the guy who wrote the books thought Moore was so so right.

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Agh!

My mouse has been hovering over the "vote" button for ten minutes now and I'm still no closer to a decision. X_x

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Re: Agh! - What vote button?

From a dissatisfied WebWasher victim.

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Obvious to see

That overall we much prefer the pared-back 'violence and shagging' Bonds of Craig and Connery. Although I must admit I'm one of those that grew up in the Moore era - his appeal was that he made it look easy and effortless. You could picture him deactivating a bomb with one hand while unzipping a girl's dress with the spare fingers on the hand holding his Martini. Classic "author-insertion-fantasy-persona" stuff. I can see how he'd annoy those who were used to a 'proper' realistic Bond though.

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Connery...

...as it was he who starred in the first Bond film I saw. At ten years old I fell in love with Japan and Helga Brandt. Thirty six years later nothing has changed. Where's the icon for wistful?

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Dalton is clearly the best actor to ever play Bond, and he did it well, probably closest to the bond of the books.

Daniel Craig is in my opinion the best Bond though, has he adds humanity to the role, he's not invincible, he feels pain.

Bronson had charm, but was let down by ropey films

Moore again had charm, but just couldn't pull off the moves, he also was let down by making the films in an era of terrible fashion

Connery was hard, but in these days a lot of his supposed conquests are borderline rape, it makes me squirm to watch

As another person has said, Lazenby was actually OK, but let down by a bad film

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A downvote?!? For what, exactly? Having a different opinion to you? Weird!

I find myself agreeing with you on most points, Alan. Except I don't remember Charles Bronson ever playing Bond. ;-)

Upvoted to counter the unnecessary downvote. :-D

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