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The satellite that made up the secondary cargo of SpaceX's latest orbital mission has burnt up in the Earth's atmosphere after failing to make it into the correct orbit. The OG2 satellite, a prototype communications platform built by Orbcomm, was carried by the Falcon rocket as a secondary payload and was due to be boosted up …

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Try reading the article

The article doesn't blame the nozzle, it merely states as a matter of fact that it went out. Which correlates perfectly with SpaceX's own website:

Initial data suggests that one of the rocket’s nine Merlin engines, Engine 1, lost pressure suddenly and an engine shutdown command was issued.

If you're not going to be accurate don't bother with ignorant and pedantic misinformation.

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Re: Try reading the article

Try reading it yourself, the article states: "A nozzle on one of the craft's nine Merlin engines blew out"

This would indicate a mechanical failure of the nozzle, were as the linked article states clearly that it suffered a flame out.

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Re: Try reading the article

"Blew out" = "Flamed out", I.e. The rocket nozzle lost its flame, not that the nozzle blew off.

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Re: Try reading the article

I blew a candle out the other day, it was horrible, there was wax everywhere and the windows shattered.

Apparently.

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Re: Try reading the article

If YOU cared to look a little deeper you might have found this, http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/space/rockets/spacex-engine-failure-the-good-bad-and-ugly-13506860 that shows an explosion and debris falling away.

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When are they going to get this upper atmosphere thing worked out

not just for science reasons but these buggers look so good when they burn up I want to know when to get my arse outside to see them!

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"Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think." – Ayn Rand

Stop Thinking and You are Lost in Sees and Seas of Austerity and Perverse Reasoning Accompanying Dumb Opinion and Hidden Agenda.

The company said it has now written the satellite off as a mission failure and has filed an insurance claim for $10m, which should cover the cost of manufacture and launch.

That is a nice failsafe win win to guarantee future success against failure and/or sabotage and/or Murphy*

* "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong"

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Re: "Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think." – Ayn Rand

Guess who pays for insurance claims? anyone that has insurance. Which is pretty much everyone who drives a car or owns a house. It's not a big pot of free money,

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Re: "Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think." – Ayn Rand

your joking right? you think all insurance (car,health, orbital vehicles) goes into a big pot?

its not free money but orbital insurance is payed by everyone launching, your car insurance has nothing to do with it. you only ay for it if you need launch insurance so unless your car is a tricked out delorean this ain't going to cost you a penny (ok maybe further down the line it cost's an added penny to your sky bill but you know what i mean)

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Re: "Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think." – Ayn Rand

It does go into a big pot.

If an insurer takes a big loss on one line of business you think they won't recover part of that from all their other lines as well. Better a marginal increase across the board than to price just one line out of competition.

Then you also have insurers insuring each other as well. Remember when Lloyd/s almost went under in the '90s covering other companies policies on asbestos related illness and damage from Hurricane Andrew?

Gotta love the way bankers saw one industry almost collapse and decided to copy the idea and call it a CDS,,,

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Re: "Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think." – Ayn Rand

Insurances insure, film at 11!

So you pay or someone else may or may not pay more. So what? Too costly? Stop being insured or go to insurance company with better rates (which is the company which is luckier or insures better-controlled risks).

Meanwhile, another container of QE3 dollars hits the road and your savings are inflated away.

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It's an intersting position.

I paraphrase

"We got enough data to not need *another* prototype being launched."

but

"The mission is a *complete* failure. When can we have our $10m insurance settlement?"

If satellite cost + Spacex launch fees < insurance payout OSC come out ahead on the deal.

TBF the satellite achieved *neither* a stable orbit (decent lifetime) nor its target altitude which you'd think would be in the policy as success criteria. So any kind of *endurance* or signal strength testing is virtually impossible

I predict Orbital will be having some very frank discussions with their insurers.

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Re: It's an intersting position.

Yeah I think someone somewhere ran the numbers quick and came up with a 'The Producers' style solution to get the testing done PDQ and $10 million back in the bank.

Mission for free anyone?

I'm sure that if they really wanted to they could have kept it up there longer or got it higher.

But I guess if you can get $10 million onto the books over the next few months.....

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Re: It's an intersting position.

There's no such thing as a free launch.

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Oh damn

Who forgot to check the " [ ] Damage caused by Tsunami, Volcanic debris, Asteroid strike and Fire from atmospheric friction" option on the insurance application certificate?

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Merlin engines?

Surprised they were able to re-use the "Merlin" name. Originally it was a V12 piston engine built by Rolls-Royce and used in WW2 fighter planes and bombers. Surely they don't work in space ;)

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Re: Merlin engines?

But they do, if you're watching Doctor Who...

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Re: Merlin engines?

I think you'll find that it was originally a type of bird. A falcon in fact ...

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Re: Merlin engines?

Surprised they were able to re-use the "Merlin" name.....

cos apple!= Rolls Royce

on sooooo many levels

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Those insurance policies cannot come cheap

Blasting millions of quid into space on a new system, I can't imagine the premiums are much under 10%!

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Re: Those insurance policies cannot come cheap

I hope they took out no-claims-bonus protection!

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My 'condolences' to Orbcomm for the loss of their satellite, but kudos to them for their fine attitude regarding the situation. Hopefully the next one - funded by insurance - will go much better.

Drink - because Orbcomm deserves one for their good attitude and not flinging poo.

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Their press release implies that they will not be needing another test and are ready to move straight to launching the constellation on 2 F9 flights as scheduled. *no* reflight needed.

IOW $10m back to the bank account. Kerching and pints all around*

*Provided their insurer sees things their way of course.

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Just because someone else with an ability to think thinks to put a extra arbitrary charge of interest or tax to be paid on money to be paid in the future, and goodness knows what the future brings, does not mean that it is not free, it just means that a man has thought to charge for it without expecting it to be challenged and exposed as a ……. well, nice little free earner and perverse self destructive levy that can and does abuse and be used to enslave and rob nations and all manner of peoples of their wealth and intellect and will to leave the present as a tale for the past and exhausted memory.

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They'll probably have to get insurance cover on their parents policy next time ;)

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Technically, shouldn't it just be 'entered', not 'reentered'? I mean, the satellite *started out* in the atmosphere. At the point it left the atmosphere for the first time, it hadn't ever *entered* it. It started out in the atmosphere in the first place.

Since it originated terrestrially, it can't possibly be *re*entering the atmosphere. It's *entering it* for the first time.

It's *been in the atmosphere* before, of course - but I'm in the atmosphere now, and I can't say as I can be described as having 'entered it' at any point.

*scratches chin thoughtfully*

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Rentry: the action of reentering the earth's atmosphere after travel in space

As defined by Webster's website & dictionary.com.

Which is logical. Even if the atmosphere was "assembled" around the solid matter on the Earth, that matter was IN the atmosphere. Then it left. Now it's coming back.

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Re-entry

"... and I can't say as I can be described as having 'entered it' at any point."

You weren't born?

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Re: Rentry: the action of reentering the earth's atmosphere after travel in space

"Now it's coming back."

Yes, but it never *went from space to the atmosphere* before, which presumably is the meaning of 're-entry', right? It went from non-existence to the atmosphere, OK, but that can't be considered *entering it*, per se.

And yes, I know what the dictionary says; should I have put 'joke alert' in case 'scratches chin' wasn't enough to signify that the post was meant in good humor? I just think it's an interesting quirk of language... Jeesh...

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$10M ??

"...$10m, which should cover the cost of manufacture and launch..."

$10M? When did it become so amazingly inexpensive to build and launch a satellite? Is it because the satellite in question was small and LEO?

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50%?

The satellite orbit was a secondary objective, so surely it was not 50% of the total.

"Must try harder".

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