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Microsoft revealed full pricing details for Windows 8 on Friday as Redmond and its retail partners began accepting preorders for the new OS, which will begin shipping on October 26. Starting on Friday, customers can preorder an upgrade edition of Windows 8 Pro for $69.99 in the US or £49.99 in the UK. That's for the full retail …

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Anonymous Coward

The design is to distract you from your mistake of buying it.

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Meh

Just wait

Win7 will inform you that an important update needs to be installed.

When you reboot you'll see the Win8 tiles and a note to say that Microsoft will dispatch the invoice within 7 days.

You'll want to revert back to what you had before but you can't.

It's,all in the small print, page 106, you did after all tick the I Agree box.

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Back to the future

1990 called. They want their designs back...

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Re: Back to the future

You're being overly generous. The look of the entire Windows 8 product, not just the packaging, looks like it came from the mid-1950's. Quite seriously, Windows 95 looked more modern than this.

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Re: Back to the future

Is that the view from the TARDIS' window as you are transported to the relevant marketing era?

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Re: came from the mid-1950's

I was thinking more 60's LSD induced view of a barf patch at a frat party.

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Anonymous Coward

Just like the Win 7 upgrade for Vista users, the company who made your computer and promised you an inclusive upgrade will charge you £60 postage and send you the free disc.

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Real reason for not having a full retail version?

Sure, most people who buy a copy of Windows 8 without a machine will already have an older version of Windows for their existing machine. That's been the case for many Windows releases past. So what has changed? I think this really shows the fear of a repeat of Vista.

The *only* way to get a retail Windows 8 on your existing machine is to upgrade. And that means you can't also have the license for that old version that you upgraded. IMO Microsoft are hoping that people will be forced to switch rather than e.g. dual booting or running one version in a virtual machine, and will be prevented from switching back.

Could backfire, too. I for one might have paid for a license just for testing software etc, but the value is severely reduced if I can't move it from one machine to another once in a while and I'm not currently willing to give up a Windows 7 license. Probably not an XP license either.

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Re: Real reason for not having a full retail version?

Probably because they are not counting on any conversions from OSX, Linux, BSD etc anyway...

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Re: Real reason for not having a full retail version?

I welcome Windows 8 with open arms. Microsofts monumental fuck-up (again) means another two years of earning hard cash for me helping people go back to XP or 7 on their laptops. Thanks Microsoft much love

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"Windows 8 System Builder licenses cannot be transferred to another computer"

And the upgrade one can? That'd be.. novel for Microsoft. Or is it that it inherits the licence of the previous version?

(The upgrade fee for the OS on the machines here is nil, the same as the fee for the equivalent 'system builder' version.)

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For those wanting to upgrade from XP Pro -> 7 Pro there now seems to be two choices:

1. Pay for 7 Upgrade... this costs about £110 iirc.

2. Pay for 8 Upgrade... this costs £49.99 (as per the article, max), and exercise the downgrade rights to... Win 7 Pro.

What a hard choice!

P.S. What annoys me about Win 7 editions is that Pro doesn't have Bitlocker (Enterprise & Ultimate does), fortunately Win 8 Pro at last has all the features you need in business (Bitlocker, join domain, etc).

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Anonymous Coward

Fortunately I've got three Windows 7... There is no way I would buy Windows 8, even to exercise downgrade rights on it. I don't want to attribute a sale to that piece of shite.

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just pirate ultimate

it has everything

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Re: just pirate ultimate -- Uh?

But why would you want to?

I won't be buying it, nor would I bother pirating it.

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Re: But why would you want to?

To let Microsoft know that you love using their software just as long as it doesnt cost any money. theyll get the hint and stop charging £300 for an OS where 90% of the code was written in previous versions you already paid £300 a piece for over the last decade.

Now some clinical asshole in the design department has shat out Windows 8 and we all have to pay another £300 again just to keep the fat cats fed. I'm sure the money goes straight to the people who wrote the code and isnt at all siphoned off into some executive slush fund.

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your missed the choice

- Never touch Windows ever and use an OS that isn't aimed at kids/trendy teens like Linux

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Re: But why would you want to?

"stop charging £300 for an OS"

The prices are right there in the article, and you still spread FUD.

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Re: But why would you want to?

Those probably aren't all of the versions and all of the prices.

If it's anything like previous versions, those prices will be for "ordinary" users and if you need some of the specialist functions (being able to write to external media, for example), then you'll need to fork out of the Ultimate or "Super-Pro" or something edition at £300 a time.

I'm going to guess that the Ultimate edition will be the one that lets you change the default interface from the pretty boxes to something usable.

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you can polish a turd but its still a turd!!

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Holmes

Correct.

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You can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter.

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"You can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter."

Or put it in a multicolour cardboard box....

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RE: You can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter.

Yes you can.

Mythbusters proved you can, and you can make it very shiny too.

Like a Mac, it is still a turd, and not useful for anything but it is still very shiny.

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Re: RE: You can't polish a turd, but you can roll it in glitter.

@AC16:33: I bet you wonder how come you got down voted in spite of talking shit about Apple. You thought you new the rules?

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Re: RE: Like a Mac, it is still a turd, and not useful for anything but it is still very shiny.

How very very dare you!!!!

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You mean like Gary ?

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Read the T&C again

Not sure how well this stands but from what I hear on various news sources downgrade rights only apply to OEM versions. You can although you may not downgrade any retail copies. Read the terms for yourself though as I may be reading them wrong. *snigger*

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> $139.99

That's a large amount of wonga for what is ostensibly *just* an operating system.

It's not like you get a load of useful productivity software bundled in for that either.

I can't see them selling all that many, relatively speaking.

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The full price retail copies are only for Mac users who need to run Windows in Parallels or Boot Camp to get any work done.

:-)

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I only had upgrade discs for a while

Don't use Windows any more, so not something I'd thought about, but I used to have to do the following IIRC

Install Win95 (full install!)

Install Win98 (Upgrade only disc)

Install Win2K (Bollocksed copy that couldn't boot the computer, had to start the install from within Windows)

It was a royal pain in the arse. Then XP came out, and it was much, much easier to get hold of a full install copy, despite WGA (anyone else find they seemed willing to activate anything?).

It's weird, in the years since I've stopped using Windows I've actually paid their licensing (whenever I've bought a PC with it installed) more than when I was actually using it (which was, with the odd exception, not at all)!

Still got my legit Win 3.11 install floppies somewhere

Wonder how many people are going to 'upgrade' to 8 by choice, and how many will do so simply because that's what was on the PC when they bought it. Just hoping I won't have to support it, though most of our customers have already had a look at it and said 'no way'.

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Re: I only had upgrade discs for a while

IIRC there were a number of blags available for the Win98 upgrade disks. I think you could do a full install but it would ask you for the key from whatever it was you were upgrading from.

I am pretty sure that it allowed you to use an office key or the updgrade disk's own key.

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Re: I only had upgrade discs for a while

I'm pretty sure the W98 upgrade wanted to see either a W95 installation or a W95 installation CD in order to run.

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Fair OS pricing?

If you think that's a bit much for an OS, what would you consider a fair price? For a full OS license, not an upgrade. Apple only sells upgrades (the only way to get a legal 'full license' for MacOS X is to get it with an Apple computer). AmigaOS 4 is 125 Euro or so; eComStation (aka OS/2) is $259; RiscOS Select is 155 quid; I can't find prices for Tru64, HP-UX, or IBM's AIX, but I get the impression they're 'really frigging expensive'. Solaris appears to be $75 to $6000, depending on what options you get.

There aren't many companies that sell OSes these days to compare to.

(Yes, yes, I know, Linux is free therefore no one should pay anything for an OS.)

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Re: I only had upgrade discs for a while

Buy a computer that does not have Windows pre-installed.

Any of the machines in the server/microserver class come without anything on them.

Example - HP Microserver, dual core low power Athlon, up to 8G ECC RAM, 4 Hard disk caddies, size of a large shoebox - base config ~ 100 £ (after rebates or sale discounts) up to ~ 300 once you stuff it with RAM to the gills and add a nice fanless low power Nvidia to it. Voila - here is your perfect desktop for anything but die-hard gaming. It will consume less power and you can leave it always on too. Comes without any Winhoze. Ditto for Dell, etc analogues.

Same for office class servers. Most of them are silent nowdays so they do nicely as a desktop. You can have a Xeon (off a fire sale) for under 300 if you look around and it will have no Windows on it either.

The only place where it is difficult to avoid Windows tax is laptops. A couple of years ago it was possible to get a barebones laptop from places like overclockers. Unfortunately they have stopped selling them now.

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Re: Fair OS pricing?

You fail to mention that the mac OSX licence allows you to buy one copy install it on all your devices. Mac OS has never required serial numbers, or activation. Just buy the DVD and install on as many comps as you want. Makes it very cheap indeed.

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Re: Fair OS pricing?

To be fair...Apple do make their money on the hardware as well as the OS so it's less of an issue for them. Microsoft, for the most part, make their money solely on the software.

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Re: Fair OS pricing?

But it's now tided to your Itunes account. With the last 2 version of Mac OS it can tell who's Itunes account it was purchased under. As result if the itunes account does not match you don't get all of the programs Ilive programs.

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Re: I only had upgrade discs for a while

"The only place where it is difficult to avoid Windows tax is laptops. A couple of years ago it was possible to get a barebones laptop from places like overclockers. Unfortunately they have stopped selling them now."

Funny you should say that. I *just* ordered a custom built laptop last week from a place in the US that offers to install no OS, Windows or Linux. I chose the no-OS option. They were not the only US or UK supplier I found for custom laptops with the option for no OS installed.

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Full (not time limited) RTM also available NOW, FREE

MSDNAA via selected ehome accounts already has it. Full RTM, free, download mount install burn recovery media etc. If associated with any institution in the higher ed business, consider that...

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Re: Full (not time limited) RTM also available NOW, FREE

No ta. The university can infect their labs with whatever shit they like, but I won't be touching TIFKAM with a very large barge pole.

Especially not some doubly shit time-limited "student" version that'll disable the computer somewhere down the line.

What's that people say about crack dealers? First hit for free?

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Re: time-limited "student" version

Really? The student licenses I had were perpetual.

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Re: Full (not time limited) RTM also available NOW, FREE

They say it about crack dealers but IMHO the "1st for free" tactic is far more prevalent (almost universal more like), in the 'non-drug' business world than it is in the drug-related business.

Sherlock liked to roll out the barrel now & again I recall(In fact the icon depicts him having a quick pipe). Handy having a best mate who's a doctor with a good, strong writing arm though, heh heh. Though of course it was legal then...

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FAIL

"Note, however, that System Builder editions have different licensing terms than mainstream editions of Windows 8. Most notably, once installed, Windows 8 System Builder licenses cannot be transferred to another computer."

That pretty much screws people who build their own PCs. Can see a good market in second hand copies of WinXP developing...

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The article here is incorrect, if they're right at ZDNet:

www.zdnet.com/how-the-new-windows-8-license-terms-affect-you-7000003028/

System Builder licenses can be transferred.

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That pretty much screws people who build their own PCs.

Only in the US and maybe a few other countries outside Europe.

For most European consumers, the EULA is usually NIL and void, at least if you don't buy their copy directly from MS.

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Re: That pretty much screws people who build their own PCs.

People who build their own PCs won't be wanting to install Win 8 on them.

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Re: That pretty much screws people who build their own PCs.

Wny not? The new security advancements? The cloud features? The SSD performance tweaks? The system-builder license that can be transferred to my new computers legitimately? Yeah, I'd hate to have any of that nonsense.

If you don't like the new UI, smack Classic Shell or Start8 onto it. Tada! A reasonable approximation of ________ (your favorite Windows version's interface) with the latest security enhancements under the hood.

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Re: Why not? The new security advancements? The cloud features?

The fact it says "Microsoft Windows" on the box?

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