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Members of hacker collective Anonymous have stopped supporting Wikileaks after the site put up a paywall, saying that Wikileaks is more bothered about Julian Assange™ than getting information to the public. In a statement on Pastebin, linked through from Anonymous Twitter account AnonymousIRC, the group said Wikileaks had turned …

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Ding !

Members of hacker collective Anonymous have stopped supporting Wikileaks after the site put up a paywall, saying that Wikileaks is more bothered about Julian Assange™ than getting information to the public.

is that the sound of a penny dropping ?

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Re: Ding !

Took them long enough to realize Saint Assange is only in this for the rep and loot, something which has been glaringly obvious from the 1st press event.

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Happy

Re: Ding !

".....is that the sound of a penny dropping ?"

Don't worry, Local Dupe, Sir Rediculous Spoon, RICHTO and associated Faithful will be along soon to insist it's all a copnspiracy, that Bushitler posted it on the Anon channel inbetween scheming new ways to scam the PIIGS into more spending, etc., etc.

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@JimmyPage Re: Ding !

Took the words right off my fingertips there. I'm amazed it has taken them this long.

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Re: Ding !

What slightly concerns me here is the thought what Anonymous may most passionately object to is having to pay for content, a stance not completely inconsistent with much of what is said on here.

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Re: Ding !

"is that the sound of a penny dropping ?"

No, it's the sight of two tramps fighting over an empty crisp packet. Futile and mildly embarrassing.

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Re: @JimmyPage Ding !

Just goes to show that Anon are a good 20 commons sense points and 12 months behind the average person.

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Uhm...

Although I agree with their criticism I can't help wonder if this is actually a good thing for Wikileaks. I mean; do you really want to be associated with a group holding a notorious reputation such as anonymous has?

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Re: Uhm...

Wikileaks sounds like it has been corrupted by the smell of money and fame, so I'd rather not be associated with them if I were in the Whistle blowing business, I think Anon made a good move. Whether I agree or disagree with Anon is a different story.

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Re: Uhm...

> do you really want to be associated with a group holding a notorious reputation such as Julian Assange has?

FTFY

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You're kidding right?

While I don't agree with everything they've done by a long way, I'd much rather be "associated" with Anonymous that Wikileaks. "An honest villain is a cut above one who smiles and smiles" and all that, after all.

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Oh welll...

...there's always OpenLeaks...

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Re: Oh welll...

I don't know whether it is a good thing or a bad thing that Cryptome gets so little press.

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Re: Oh welll...

Its a good thing, Cryptome's a hell of a resource for anyone interested in or working in OSINT. Plus its founder isn't suffering from an inflated ego the size of an embassy.

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Typo

> Members of hacker collective Anonymous ...

Members of hacker skiddie collective Anonymous ...

Fixed it for you.

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Re: Typo

Much better. Clearly a typo!

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Re: Typo

"Members of hacker skiddie collective Anonymous ..."

I've often wondered about this type of derogitory statement. That some 'members' of anonymous are only capable of running scripts with little knowledge of what they do (or don't - LOIC I'm looking at you here) but that doesn't mean that just because you employ a script that you are a 'skiddie'.

If you think that's all anonymous is, then fair enough - I don't think that is the case however.

I mean, you don't imply accountants are useless because they don't write their own spreadsheets, or do you?

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No, accountants are useless for plenty of other reasons. :)

{But I'll lay palm leaves at the feet of my CPA around tax time, thanks...}

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> I mean, you don't imply accountants are useless because they don't write their own spreadsheets, or do you?

An accountant will have a great deal of knowledge about exactly what is happening with the figures he is entering in the cell. He will know what the relationship between the cells are and what the impacts are of changing the values of a cell. He will how the values are calulated and what the equations are.

The skiddies, on the other hand, have no detailed knowledge of exactly what happens when they select the "Launch Denial of Service" option with their script. They will have no knowledge of whether they have just launched a SYN or ICMP flood, a teardrop or reflection attack. They will have no idea what the impact of these are or how and why they actually affect the target. In other words, the sum of their knowledge is how to select an option from a script.

Their naive attitudes and the way they throw their toys out the pram when somebody disagrees with them indicates they are probably mostly teenagers

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".....but that doesn't mean that just because you employ a script that you are a 'skiddie'....." Well, going on the amazing paywall that can be defeated just by turning off Javascript, I'm definately not putting the Wikitwit site admins in the webguru category. If that's the best they can come up with then the NSA, CIA, ISI, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all have probably raped the rest of their systems. Maybe it's because A$$nut hogged all the salary and all they could afford to hire was sub-Anon-level skiddies to write their paywall code (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8225947/Julian-Assange-paid-two-thirds-of-WikiLeaks-salary-budget.html), and maybe that's why even the Anon skiddies don't want to be associated with them.

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@Sir

I think that Anonymous brings that reputation upon themselves and no one else.

Like the latest (Dutch) news; they are now threatening to launch an all out attack on several internet providers because they block the Piratebay. You can read the (Dutch) article here (link to "telegraaf.nl", a Dutch news website).

Apparently they don't (or refuse to) realize that most of those providers (XS4All and UPC to name two) have actually challenged the blockade in court several times, which has cost them plenty of money. They also seem to ignore the fact that these providers simply have no choice because they are being forced into this.

And here we are now; the providers are going to take the heat from these terrorists, thus most likely effectively hindering many end-users to gain access to the Internet tomorrow.

Does that sound like a sane protest or freedom fight to you? To me its plain out cyber terrorism and vandalism, nothing more and nothing else. The worst (and IMVHO retarded) part being that they actually plan to attack providers who actively protested and fought these rulings, some of them still are btw.

As such; they do it to themselves. Time and time again.

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Re: @Sir

"I think that Anonymous brings that reputation upon themselves and no one else."

I agree, and I also agree that there are lots of teenagers out there running scripts with no idea of what's going on under the bonnet.

Remember that anonymous isn't an organisation. There is nothing to stop me performing some online action and claiming to be a member of anonymous - that's the point - anyone can do it.

The point I was trying to make (and supported by the comments about how accountants know what the spreadsheet is doing) is that there are SOME people who claim to be anonymous who DO know what's going on under the hood of the scripts they use. So just because they might employ a script, it does not necessarily follow that they are a 'skiddie' (sounds like brown underpants to me)

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Double check your sources, ShelLuser. It turned out to be nonsense.

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Re: @Sir

(link to "telegraaf.nl", a Dutch news website).

There's an 'h' missing in the above sentence. Between the 7th and 6th character counting from the end, and including the punctuation.

Even fish with the lowest of low standards refuse to be wrapped in it.

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Re: @Sir

> is that there are SOME people who claim to be anonymous who DO know what's going on under the hood of the scripts they use.

You don't address a room full of women with a single bloke sitting in the back as "Gentlemen". Similarly you don’t call a group of skiddies with one or two who might possibly know a SYN from a FIN "hackers".

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Re: @Sir

Fair point, but you also wouldn't address that room as 'Ladies' only.

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Why not?

There might be a single male in the room, but the overwhelming characteristic of the room is female so referring to them collectively as "Ladies" is acceptable. "Ladies and Gentlemen" is inaccurate as it implies a significant* portion of the room is male. A common way to address a room full of women with just one or two males is to say "Ladies, <pause> Gentlemen" with a head nod to the males. But that is for polite society where people tend not to forcibly enter private areas and where there will be some mutual respect.

What we are talking about is anonymous. Since I haven't seen any evidence of anybody with balls in that group I won't refer to them as "Ladies and Gentlemen"** but simply as skiddies.

* By "significant" I mean more than 10%

** No gender bias is intended.

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Challange

As an Anon, I challenge this claim.

Anonymous stands behind Wikileaks and Assange because they are freedom fighters.

Any claim otherwise is unsupported, and a majority of Anonymous stands with him.

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"No, *I'M* Anonymous... and so is my wife!"

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Re: Challange

I'm Spartacus!

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Freedom from what exactly? Their democratically elected governments that allow them the freedoms to use the internet and protest (lawfully) at will? Or are they fighting for the freedom to allow women to vote, drive, get an education, not be forced into marriage/rape by their family, to prevent young children taking up arms and fighting wars.

I'm sorry, but sitting behind a computer and looking at cats or my little pony every day before posting "tits or GTFO" does not make one a freedom fighter, freedom fighters put their lives on the line to try and obtain the liberties that we take for granted, the nearest an Anon gets to that is putting their rectum on the line from jail time in the US.

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"governments that allow them the freedoms"

That sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Time to take the red pill.

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@Tubs - as in compared to countries where the governments don't allow freedom to use the internet as they so desire, China comes to mind, Cuba somewhat, Iran, all bastions of freedom for it's people. So, why isn't Anon standing around in, let me think of a nice place.... Tiananmen Square, has a nice ring to it, why isn't Anon having a mass protest there wearing their masks and demanding that China grant all it's citizens the freedoms that we in the UK have?

The guy claims Anon are freedom fighters so they should go out and prove it, not demonstrate in countries where the government has laws granting you the right to stand on your soap box, go demonstrate in countries where you may find the army comes in with tear gas, water cannons, tanks, real bullets, then Anon can say they are freedom fighters instead of pampered westerners who think they have a right to everything.

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@AC

They DO have a right to everything. Just because we are less oppressed than the Chinese doesn't mean we should be jumping for joy with our situation. It's one of the reasons we are so complacent with our lot; we can always look at China and say "we mustn't complain, they've got it worse than us".

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AC: "So, why isn't Anon standing around in, let me think of a nice place.... Tiananmen Square,"

That wouldn't be anonymous anymore, get it? Buying traveling tickets, standing out in a crowd and a rather large risk to be held for questioning or asked for ID, not to mention all the camera's snapping your mug.

While I understand your disagreement with the selected targets, it's a bit of a weak form of arguing. Like some grumpy dad saying at the diner table to the kids: "Eat your food, think of all the poor African kids who are having nothing at all". One could argue that everyone can have his fight for something he believes can be changed. He is not required to fight all fights or obey to some imagined standard of how to assign priorities.

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Re: Challange

"governments that allow them the freedoms"

That sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Time to take the red pill.

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ROFLING -along ,oxmorons stick together -like a gay marriage !.

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Re: Challange

That's not your wife, that's a lady!

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@BillG

You're not Spartacus. You're BillG. It says so right next to the title of your post. You're fibbing to us, *on the internet*. Have you no shame sir?

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what a pile of fucking garbage

Jesus fucking Christ. You need some higher quality astroturf - these shills can't even spell.

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Budget astroturf

They got a bunch of barely-used Metro shills from Ballmer at a discount.

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NoScript

How long before whitelist javascript blockers like NoScript/NotScripts are used in the majority as part of the Standard Internet Condom? They certainly seem very useful against most forms of website antifeature..

For example, I find that I don't need any blacklist adblocker such as AdBlock, since the vast majority of ads don't show up at all without Javascript. After all what's the point of advertising if you can't track people, right?

Some sites use plain HTML (<=4) ads, which are not tracking my every eye-movement, and thus I don't find offensive. These I will occasionally grace with a click. (NoRef/RefControl enabled, of course)

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Paywall ?

I just had a look at the wikileaks pages and there is no paywall, I have Javascript enabled yet no messages to pay up.

With the likes of paypal etc not accepting payments there has to be a way of paying to keep the websites up and running.

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Re: Paywall ?

I just checked as well. There's no paywall. Somebody just made that up thinking that we wouldn't check.

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@TechSurfer

I did too, and you're right.

Though your comment also shows that you never bothered to click an article to read its contents. Because then the paywall shows up.

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Re: @TechSurfer

Though your comment also shows that you never bothered to click an article to read its contents. Because then the paywall shows up.

I certainly did click on several articles. No paywall shows up for me. Here is the first article. The second one too has no paywall. Perhaps there is a browser variation.

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"....There's no paywall...." St Jules was quick to take it down again when the revolting Faithful started revolting. Just go put wikileaks and paywall into a search engine and you'll get pages of hits. Oh, sorry - that assumes the blinkers allow you to look anywhere other than Faithful-approved websites......

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Re: @TechSurfer

Yes, I got it after eventually going to an individual document.

Actually, I'd have thought Anonymous would be happy to find something that would encourage more people to disable JavaScript.

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Wikileaks is more bothered about Julian Assange

Julian Assange issurely more bothered about Julian Assange than anything else.

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Re: Matt Bryant is more bothered about Julian Assange

Fixed it for you

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Re: Re: Matt Bryant is more bothered about Julian Assange

Actually I'm more busy laughing @ A$$nut. And his band of Faithful ar$ekissers. Given your often rabid ranting in defence of A$$nut, Local Dupe, you are the last person to be posting here. But then I suspect you not only approve of Holy St Jule's paywall, you probably visit the site so you can donate weekly. Right after your welfare cheque clears.

/LMAO.

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