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Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak has called Apple "arrogant" and wishes the Cupertino firm would produce bigger phones. The bearded innovator offers familiar criticism of the company he helped to form in a podcast session with TalkCentral. Woz says the only reason the iPhone 5 doesn't have a bigger screen is due to Apple's …

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Anonymous Coward

"He points to iTunes availability on Windows as a significant step"

Presumably he means it would be if it didn't crash and then wipe your phone whilst upgrading the OS, the main reason many of the people I know no longer use iOS. Curiously I know quite a few MS based techies who like the iPhone so much they bought Mac kit so it would work properly, but each to their own I guess.

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Please do

Offer a 4S sized phone and a larger me based on the Samsung S3 size.

I will always go for the smaller on, it fits better.

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NEWSFLASH Oz HERALDSUN

'Mr T.W. Goannards a resident of the Galston suburb of Sydney has today begun court proceedings against Samsung. In a statement read out by his solicitors Mr S. Erves, Mr T.W. Goannards states that the continual use of the Samsung S3 has caused him injury, whereby he is no longer able to use his thumbs. The larger sceen has condemned him to painful joints of the thumb and is no longer able to engage in his usual skilled sexual activities. Samsung should have foreseen this problem and attached warning tickers to the phone.'

Mr T.W. Goannards a male escort is suing Samsung for Aus $6,000,000.

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@AC: " if [iTunes on Windows] didn't crash and then wipe your phone whilst upgrading the OS"

Why would you upgrade the OS through iTunes when you can do it OTA?

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"Presumably he means it would be if it didn't crash and then wipe your phone whilst upgrading the OS, the main reason many of the people I know no longer use iOS. Curiously I know quite a few MS based techies who like the iPhone so much they bought Mac kit so it would work properly, but each to their own I guess."

And it didn't crash the PC at random more than Adobe Flash due to it hogging 85% of the resources when not in use. Tried using it to put MP3's on my iPod(around 2 gigs had to wipe the ipod) after an hour it said it was done transferring the files, when I looked there was nothing on the iPod... Went and got a 3rd party program which finished in 15 mins or so the same task, but actually did something and only took like 40% of the PC's resources while copying and dropped to almost 0 when done.

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Anonymous Coward

I agree that iTunes on Windows is a disaster but this is FUD. One big advantage of the iPhone is that it's constantly backed up by iTunes and/or to iCloud. So if your phone gets wiped, it's easily restored within a few minutes. (Well, it can take an hour or two for a full restore if you have a lot of apps, pictures, and songs, but it will be always be usable within a few minutes.)

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@AC 18:53

I back up all my photos to Google+, my contacts to Google Contacts and usually keep my music on an SD card. When I play with custom firmware, my phone is fully up and running in minutes.

Paris, because people get up her in minutes too.

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Re: Please do

"Offer a 4S sized phone and a larger me based on the Samsung S3 size.

I will always go for the smaller on, it fits better."

Small hands......Small........

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Re: @AC 18:53

"I back up all my photos to Google+, my contacts to Google Contacts and usually keep my music on an SD card. When I play with custom firmware, my phone is fully up and running in minutes."

That's nice about your contacts and photos but one thing about iPhone apps is that they are all nicely sandboxed and all their files are in specific locations that are easily backed up and restored. So when you do a restore of an iPhone, all your data for all your apps is restored. Meaning all your settings and any files you've downloaded and/or imported with the app, e.g., PDF files for a PDF reader, high scores for your games, message logs for your IM apps, etc. If you restore an iPhone you really can't tell that it was just restored. Looks and works exactly the same as it used to with no data loss. Very nice.

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Re: NEWSFLASH Oz HERALDSUN

Only in Australia :D

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I'm happy with this size.

I'm actually happy with 4 inches. It allows me to do anything I want to and still fits in my jeans. I know most people prefer larger ones, but it's not necessarily easier to hit the right spot. I guess sometimes it comes down to moving your fingers the right way too. All I'm saying is that size != functionality and bigger is not necessarily better. At any rate, I haven't heard any complaints from the ladies. Hold on, what were you guys talking about?

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Fat land monster should STFU

He may be technically brilliant, but it was Steve Jobs that made Apple what it is today. SW is an attention seeking Asperger.

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Re: Fat land monster should STFU

@Shagbaaa

Aspergers is a condition on the Autistic scale. Either:

1) You actually think SW has Aspergers and should be ridiculed for it

or

2) You think Aspergers is a suitable derogatory term for people seeking attention

Dickhead.

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WTF?

Re: Please do

Gloves!

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Anonymous Coward

Re: Please do

Well

Relative Prick Size = 1/(size of hands)

If that is what you were trying to get to.....

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Re: @AC 18:53

Yes, yet another thing that works just like that on Android too. And Symbian before that.

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@solidsoup - Re: I'm happy with this size.

Woz is now getting on a bit, as is a whole generation who have grown up with mobiles, and eyesight gets poorer with age. Everyone here will one day need glasses to read the screen if they do not already. The bigger the screen is, the more that day will be delayed; simple.

It might not seem cool to cater for older people, but phone companies cannot afford to ignore this increasing propoertion of the market.

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Re: @AC 18:53

Wow thats amazing. Thats the exact same thing that I do with Titanium Backup on Android. (all system user and app data restored on factory reset - including game progress)

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This is a guy who, as best as I can tell, has had a career in talking crap after leaving apple and someone who claims he wants to live in Australia for the broadband while ignoring all the problems australia has.

I'm going to give his opinion about as much weight as I give to the crazy homeless guy's opinion.

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Eh..

He's also the guy who invented the home computer, and a freakin' genius!

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Re: Eh..

No he didn't, any more than Lady Gaga invented the shoe.

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Re: Eh..

Oh, dear god, more balderdash about Apple's history.

Apple did not invent the home computer. Nor the mouse, windowing, music players, smart phones or any of the other things that they often get credited for.

The idea for the Apple 1 was conceived at the Homebrew Computer Club, which tells you everything: if Apple invented it, why was there a club for them to meet at to conceive it at?

Bottom line: the Apple 1 was a "me too" product, so was the Apple II BUT the Apple II was marketed very much better than its technical competitors, which is how it became prominent. Marketing, not technology,

Which is the case with all those other non-Apple inventions: they didn't invent them, they just packaged and sold them

http://www.atariarchives.org/deli/homebrew_and_how_the_apple.php

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Re: Eh..

Erm Altair 8080 in 1975, a while year before the Apple 1.

The Apple 1 only existed thanks to MOS and Chuck Peddle producing the 6502 which made home computing affordable. The MOS Kim-1 was one of the first more useful computers and the Apple 1 wouldn't have worked without Peddle debugging it and getting it going.

Woz was a bad engineer back then, he went back to finish an engineering degree later on so he's fine now.

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What!?!

The crazy homeless guy spoke? What did he say?

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Floppy drive controller

He did come up with a cute way to run the floppy drive (the integrated Woz machine).

Now he is just a Was.

Pay him no mind.

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"claims he wants to live in Australia for the broadband while ignoring all the problems australia has."

And what Australian "problems" are you talking about exactly?

As an Aussie I'm just curious. Booming economy, best beaches in the world, friendly people, great mix of cultures.

Sure our cricket team is pretty rubbish at the moment, but they had a good run there not so long ago...

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As a Pom who often listens to Australian radio (good science output) via the interwebs, I've been given the impression your nation has concerns over water supply, droughts and also flooding.

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Re: What!?!

millenium

hand

shrimp

bugrrit

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"Booming economy"

hohoho "booming economy" indeed. Lets' see how booming it is in 6 months eh?

You forgot to mention "best recreational drugs on the planet" (apparently).

Also "worst government since federation"

Plus "suffocating levels of nanny-stateism and political correctness in general"

Oh, almost forgot one "The Australia tax" where everything costs 3 times what it costs overseas.

You want to pay $5 for a cup of coffee? Australia's the place for you mate!

Just don't mind the hordes of knuckle-dragging bogans who are offset by the vast army of chattering class hand-wringers who are desperate to assuage their festering middle class guilt by jumping on every socialist bandwagon that comes their way, from gay marriage to global warming, they're "concerned" about it all and have no compunctions about enforcing their concerns upon the rest of the hapless, shambling citizens that make up this formerly great country.

It's true though, the beaches are good (if you can find a parking spot of course)

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Re: What!?!

Exactly. In most popular films and book, you ignore the crazy homeless guy at your peril. Or else... "YOU REALLY SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO HIM, YOU KNOW. AND I HAVEN'T FORGOTTON WHAT YOU DID TO THE CAT."

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"Sure our cricket team is pretty rubbish at the moment, but they had a good run there not so long ago..."

Womens cricket team have just won T20 world cup...

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Re: "Booming economy"

You want to pay $5 for a cup of coffee? Australia's the place for you mate!

try any London Starbucks for your $5 coffee

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Women, playing cricket

Shirley shome mishtake?

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"I'm going to give his opinion about as much weight as I give to the crazy homeless guy's opinion."

A crazy homeless guy who has achieved more than you ever will!

Well done for pointing out that your skewed opinions are worthless.

Woz achieved more than the spotty critics on a 'tech site' blog!

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Re: "Booming economy"

Starbucks sell nothing resembling coffee. Even a UK survey judged their brown water to be the weakest, worst coffee in the country. It's American. Americans do n't do tea, full strength coffee or beer, hence the Italian term for an espresson watered down to the point of tastelessness - Americano.

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> Booming economy, best beaches in the world, friendly people, great mix of cultures.

Shit beer, though...

Vic.

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eh?

" Keep the aspect ratio the same, horizontal and vertical the same, but just grow it in the other way,"

Eh? Make it thicker?

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Re: eh?

3D touch sensitive display? Cool.

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Re: eh?

The world's first phone with a four-dimensional UI.

Woz wins teh Internet for being a visionary.

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"The world's first phone with a four-dimensional UI."

You mean I can scroll backwards and forwards in time?

Cool!

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Thumb use not recommended...

....AIUI too much "thumbing" could give you quite a nasty case of RSI.

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iTunes on Android?

"Woz also wishes the firm had taken more steps to keep hold of its marketshare"

Apple makes money from selling iPhones. How exactly would iTunes on Android increase the market share of iOS devices?

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Re: iTunes on Android?

It doesn't but Apple also makes money selling things through iTunes. I kind of see his point since by not selling to the Android space they are limiting the potential number of iTunes customers who would buy music, movies, etc. The rub is that unless or until Apple makes more money on iTunes than they do flogging hardware there's no reason to remove iTunes as a draw to Apple hardware and likewise it will be difficult to expand iTunes sales to such a level only selling to iOS devices.

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Re: iTunes on Android?

Ah, sorry this is confusing: Apple _also_ makes money selling music etc on iTunes; if you buy a smartphone from MS or Android or RIM, you can't give Apple money through iTunes. So Apple has already lost the (very small) margin they'd make on the phone, and provide no mechanism for people to give them high-margin dollars through iTunes.

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Re: iTunes on Android?

The margin Apple makes on its phones is by no means small. It's quite likely to be the biggest in the entire smartphone industry.

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Re: iTunes on Android?

We know iTunes gets a 30% margin but the hardware is generally higher with this article stating the margin for iPhone is close to 50%.

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Re: iTunes on Android?

If you think Apple makes small margins, you've missed the entire point of their business model. They are the example to the rest of the business world of why it pays to defy commoditisation.

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Re: iTunes on Android?

"It doesn't but Apple also makes money selling things through iTunes"

Many of which are iOS apps ...

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Anonymous Coward

Re: iTunes on Android?

""It doesn't but Apple also makes money selling things through iTunes"

Many of which are iOS apps ...

So you're an Apple accountant now?

Honestly, the bull shite!

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