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Huawei has hit back at the US Congress'House intelligence Committee report labelling it a business US companies should avoid if they value their privacy and security. In a canned statement, the company says “... despite our best effort, the Committee appears to have been committed to a predetermined outcome.” The company says …

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Meh

A most obvious comment

Of course the outcome was predetermined, it is called protectionism. Looking after your own interests.

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Boffin

Re: A most obvious comment

@LarsG

Were it simple protectionism then the US would never have let the rest of the world take a lead in the manufacturing of telco infrastructure. I suggest you look at the companies like Motorola, Lucent and others which used to manufacture the equipment in the US.

60 minutes ran a story on this Sunday night before the report was released.

Their investigative reporting came to similar conclusions.

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Re: A most obvious comment

The home of free markets has always been protectionist towards those leading light multinationals it harbours. "You can compete with our companies, just not in our country" seems to be the moral here.

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A most unobvious comment

That makes no sense whatever. It's apparent that Cisco is mad as hell that Huawei is undercutting them and they, along with other US manufacturers, have manufactured this whole piece of drivel. Huawei doesn't obey the Chinese govt more than Cisco etc obey the US govt. All of them provide features for legal intercept because rich countries require it. It's easy to create political paranoia about unknown unknowns and probably cheaper than pursuing patent infringement cases, which is the other technique that's been tried.

Huawei has figured out how capitalism works; good luck to 'em, and it's a shame that the dirty tricks department is being deployed against them.

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Re: A most obvious comment

Yes, the Huawei people gave out all of that organizational information, staff, and all that....stuff.......but.....but did they give out the embedded codes which are neato handy for infiltrating interesting United States Federal Agencies? Hmmmmm?

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Mushroom

Hypocrisy of the highest order

So, the US have concluded that the divide between coporation and state in China is too grey, and that this causes privacy and security concerns when doing business with tech companies.

Bahahahahaha.

*ahem* Google *ahem* Microsoft....

Seriously, the US' blatant and ignorant disregard for evenly applied standards is becoming uncomfortably embarassing given our 'close' relationship.

The mask has now totally slipped, and their grip on things is following. Not belong before Eastern economies dwarf that of the west so they better get used to having their behaviour in the past 20 years thrown back in their face.

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Big Brother

Re: Hypocrisy of the highest order

Is this the same US that uses telecom gear to illegally spy on its citizens and companies?

Maybe the Chinese companies didn't include the required backdoors for them?

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Bottom line ...

I don't trust 'em. Do you?

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Re: Bottom line ...

"I don't trust 'em. Do you?"

That depends, are you talking about Huawei or the American gov't?

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Re: Bottom line ...

That depends, are you talking about Huawei or the American gov't?

Yes :)

(sorry, too big a temptation to pass up. "Both" is the actual answer, with the latter a lot less than the former as the latter is too busy pretending).

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Re: Bottom line ...

"Yes :)"

Damn you! Off to read "How To Ask Questions The Smart Way" by Mr Raymond . :)

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Re: Bottom line ...

No I don't trust 'em. I care less when they are making cheap shit plastic toys and iPads, but when they're higher up the enterprise stack - no way. I stopped buying Thinkpads when Lenovo bought them from IBM.

I really despise Cisco myself, but in this case I'd take them over Huawei any day. When I think of networking stuff Huawei doesn't even come into my mind (apparently only 4% of their sales are in the US). Huawei has a line of storage products as well which I wouldn't touch with a 50 foot pole.

The issue of course is less about Huawei specifically and more about China in general.

To me there is a massive difference between a company manufacturing in China - where I'd expect folks like Broadcom and the like to have QC to prevent bad things from getting in(they may miss stuff from time to time) - same goes for the software layer that companies put on top of the devices vs having everything from the ground up done there. It lets me sleep better to buy from other companies, even if it is *shudder* Cisco, and that's good enough for me.

I haven't heard/seen anything that Huawei has that provides technical value above what is already on the market so I don't believe I'm missing anything. They may be able to undercut the competition on price with subsidies, which is despicable - but it's a common practice that Cisco does as well which is one reason I don't buy Cisco unless it's a last resort (last time was 7 years ago).

I wouldn't buy 3COM (now HP) either which is mostly based out of China. I love HP storage, and HP servers, but not 3COM.

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So now can we ban iPhones and anything else made in China from work???

BYOD is a PITA so following USA's example we should be able to ban all devices made in China from work!!!

Wait stop leave my racks alone!!!!

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Re: So now can we ban iPhones and anything else made in China from work???

Quite right. You certainly wouldn't want to work with people wearing Matalan suits, shirts, ties, shoes. M&S clothes made in Pakistan are just so much more elegant.

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Anyone surpried?

All I can say is

well colur me shocked...........

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Anonymous Coward

"USA displays backbone shock horror" - subtitle "while the uk continues to take the king's shilling of profit"

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Happy

Router Genuine Advantage update check?

Also reported ... "Committee Chairman Mike Rogers said that undisclosed American users of Huawei routers told the committee that their equipment sends unauthorized amounts of data to China late at night."

If this is true then we ought to be able to be able to figure out what's happening - maybe it's just their router update software checking to make sure that the user has the latest version of the Router Genuine Advantage application - there's a lot of cheap pirated router stuff around you know...

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Re: Router Genuine Advantage update check?

My Ubuntu desktop sends some data back to their servers every day.

Should I call FBI?

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Re: Router Genuine Advantage update check?

> "their equipment sends unauthorized amounts of data to China late at night."

Let me get this straight, they authorised 10k of data to be sent but not 15k?

If your routers have internet access, your firewall admins need to be fired. Either you want and accept support, or you turn it off. You don't have one password across all platforms, right? You do use centralised authentication and avoid putting passwords on individual routers, right? All router data transfers go via a server where you examine the content, right?

Some people think "protectionism" is referring back to older practices of official state policy rather than tossing favours to large corporate buddies.

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@jake

If you don't trust them you better stop using your mobile phone in the UK, oh and Europe at large, oh and .... well pretty much any country, apart from the US of course. http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full-width/images/print-edition/20120804_FBC589.png

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Sorry rant alert

For a country that is purportedly the champion of capitalism, the US sure don't half like to impede free markets. How hypocritical, there are a wealth of examples where the US shouts "competition" as well as whisper "subsidies and protectionism", from the corner of their mouths, take for example steel.

Meanwhile, at least China is willing to admit it helps their underdeveloped industries along with a bit of government dosh. Sure there is a security risk with installing foreign equipment at the heart of your communication network, but that's the risk you run with globalism. As long as the equipment checks out, which the US haven't seemed to bothered to do. At least in the UK Huawei was given a chance to prove themselves by allowing them to set-up a testing facility for the likes of GCHQ to work their magic.

I'm not arguing for or against capitalism or socialism nor US vs China. I'm just fed up with how two faced the US government is and how they've been blinded by their sole focus on the fact that Huawei is a foreign/Chinese firm.

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Re: Sorry rant alert

Oh blah blah blah, the US government's main concern is for the well being of its own people, so no shit sherlock they want to keep the chinese out. Just like china has forced companies in the past to co manufacture with local chinese companies so as to win contracts. The US are not fecking stupid enough to give china a chance to put network equipment at the very heart of their infrastruture! the fact that you think this is a godd idea, only proves hoe fecking stupid you are!!

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Coffee/keyboard

Re: Sorry rant alert

"the US government's main concern is for the well being of its own people"

I guess I wasn't ready for such jocularity so early in my day. I assume you're talking about the people in their pockets.

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This is a funny one... Both sides are right! Of course it was predetermined, it's playing politics, but on the other hand, it's also true, working with Chinese companies is like handing your information to the Chinese government on a sliver plater.

And so both sides are also hypocrites! Huawei by pretending it's not a tool of it's government, and the U.S government pretending it believes in the free market (here's a hint, it never has, and likely never will, just look at the "farm subsidies" and other bollocks it pulls, while at the same time whining like a little bitch about the practices of other countries!)

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Big Brother

What the Intelligence Committee really means ..

"Huawei and ZTE, China's top makers of telecoms kit, should be locked out of the US market because their technology poses a security risk, a US House of Representatives group said today"

What they mean is Huawei is one of the few telecom companies whose equipment they haven't so far managed to backdoor ...

'the purpose of CALEA is: To amend title 18, United States Code, to make clear a telecommunications carrier's duty to cooperate in the interception of communications for Law Enforcement purposes, and for other purposes.'

"The methods networking companies use to let the Feds watch suspects also expose the rest of us."

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Anonymous Coward

"Huawei says US probe had 'predetermined outcome'"

They know this because they had intercepted the email.

:)

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Re: "Huawei says US probe had 'predetermined outcome'"

LOL now that was funny...

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