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Rumors are flying after the Pirate Bay's website took a dive on Monday just as news broke of a raid by Swedish police on its hosting company PRQ – but the group says the two facts are not related. "Dear internet. We have not been raided. We are not shutting down. We like turtles, waffles and you," the group said on its Facebook …

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Holmes

Freedom for the corporations

It seems today that freedom is now reserved privilege for corporations, the super-rich and politicians. This development has been ongoing for long time now. It is older then me already.

Not everyone is like this. As that would be generalization. But this problem is widespread enough to be a problem.

Adam Curtis has covered this properly. Here is a documentary on this problem, http://www.jonfr.com/?p=6920

Disclaimer: Yes, this is my blog. But I have collected the documentary film on my blog already. I am too lazy to find them on youtube and post all the links here.

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Re: Freedom for the corporations

"It seems today that freedom is now reserved privilege for corporations, the super-rich and politicians. "

Nothing new there unfortunately old bean, think the Maya(n) priests kicked this off although back then not being part of the elitist super priests or one of their calendar flunky's meant your heart was being ripped out, at least we just have servers removed now etc,

Lets call that progress at least :)

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Re: Freedom for the corporations

"This development has been ongoing for long time now. It is older then me already."

Not wanting to appear too picky, but surely it always was, or never will be older than you. Unless you're aging at a different rate than everything that goes on around you.

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Re: Freedom for the corporations

"It seems today that freedom is now reserved privilege for corporations, the super-rich and politicians. "

Point out a time and a place where this wasn't true.

As to freedom... I'm not sure what triggered this. How is the police taking away some servers for an unknown reason of an ISP that contains highly questionable content a restriction or blow to your freedom?

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Mushroom

Re: Freedom for the corporations

In the absence of TPB, try:

http://isohunt.com/

and

http://kat.ph/

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Re: Re: Freedom for the corporations

"In the absence of TPB....." You are aware that by posting said links you could be accused of assisting or facilitating a criminal act?

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Re: Re: Re: Freedom for the corporations

As all the "naughty" sites don't actually host any of the pirate files, just links to them, akin to charging BT for the services its customers offer via a telephone, Matt could only be assisting the assisting of a criminal act.

Unfortunately if the music/movie industry have their way, such a heinous crime will be shortly punishable by several years in Guantanamo Bay and a fine which exceeds the GDP of Asia.

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Re: Freedom for the corporations

"As to freedom... I'm not sure what triggered this. How is the police taking away some servers for an unknown reason of an ISP that contains highly questionable content a restriction or blow to your freedom?"

What is "questionable"? If they are after criminals that rape kids. I fully understand. If they are after people who share digital content. Then I do not understand. Since every study that has not been fabricated by the MPAA or RIAA shows that impact of "piracy" is none. In fact, sharing turns in profit. As it allows people to see new entertainment and see if they like what they are watching. It is also a fact that digital files on the internet do not last that long. Maximum 2 to 5 years (depending). So buy blue ray or dvd often make more scene for people in the long term.

Case in point. Almost none of the show that I currently watch are shown on television I have here in Denmark. That is 0. The exception being Doctor Who. But that is already 1 season behind on DR HD. I can already get on blue ray and it is not that expensive.

I buy movies and television shows on dvd or blue ray when I have the money. I already have a long list of television shows and movies that are on my "to buy" list. So piracy is not the problem.

But the economic crisis is the problem. People buy food before entertainment. That is a fact and nobody at MPAA and RIAA are going to change that fact. Regardless how they want to.

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Re: Freedom for the corporations

"What is "questionable"? If they are after criminals that rape kids. I fully understand. If they are after people who share digital content. Then I do not understand."

Questionable content covers the entire array; as that is what the ISP seems to be fine with hosting.

As to not understanding what the police are doing if it's piracy... well, if they are police, they are simply enforcing the law, as is their remit. There's no point complaining to police about the existence and illogicality of individual laws, because making them, or prosecuting and offenders isn't any of their business. It's a bit like moaning to the Postie about getting letters that you don't want.

"People buy food before entertainment."

Maslow is right on the money *most* of the time, but oddly not all the time. People *will* go hungry for a day or two in order to buy luxury items, on occasion. Not that we really have to make that choice often in the West: Even those of us who describe ourselves as 'dirt broke' can fritter income on luxuries. The problem is that those luxuries are often over-priced, and free/cheap alternatives all too easy to come by, thus making the choice an easy one.

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Re: Freedom for the corporations

"As to not understanding what the police are doing if it's piracy... well, if they are police, they are simply enforcing the law, as is their remit. There's no point complaining to police about the existence and illogicality of individual laws, because making them, or prosecuting and offenders isn't any of their business. It's a bit like moaning to the Postie about getting letters that you don't want."

There is the problem. The law for most part is written by corporation for corporation. They call it the fancy word "lobbing". But in reality it comes down on the same place. It is a self-service to laws for corporations. Not every corporations do this. There are few that have the decency to leave the law up to the lawmakers.

The problem of the law in regards to piracy is also well explained here.

http://www.ted.com/talks/rob_reid_the_8_billion_ipod.html

Claims made by MPAA and RIAA are just ridiculous in reality. It would be good if more people would figure this fact out.

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Mushroom

WTF

NAMBLA <--- its shit like this that makes me want judgement day to come /sigh

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Re: WTF

Oh and the cool judgement day with Cyborgs (actually androids if you want to get anal about it) and shit

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Re: WTF

if you want to get anal about it) and shit

Interesting response, but I think there's a better approach.

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NAMBLA <--- its shit like this that makes me want judgement day to come /sigh

What did the:

North

American

Marlon

Brando

Look

Alikes

Ever do to you?

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Unhappy

Luckily, I did my ...

Bittorrent search on the night before, and all selected files seem to be OK.

We'll be waiting for your return PB. And to Biden and his Hollywood sponsors, up yours!

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Pirate

purloined files - other providers

There are other providers of torrents? Why! That makes the UK ban on the Pirate Bay almost completely ineffectual!

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Re: purloined files - other providers

... and media companies worldwide continue to make it imperative for such places to exist.

In 'early' 2013, FXHD, one of the many channels I receive through an expensive SKY subscription, will start showing Dexter Season 7, despite the fact that it premièred two days ago. Like many US Dramas, there is an element of mystery which unfolds as the series progresses. As far as I know, there is no legal way for me, a UK citizen, to pay more money to see this series sooner, so I either become an Internet hermit, so that my US friends don't accidentally spoil it for me --- or I 'steal' it.

I am going to continue paying my SKY subscription for many reasons, but as many people's disposable income contracts, why on earth are media companies encouraging people to research into illegal means to obtain content? Once you have got away with downloading one item, it becomes clear that you can get pretty much everything for free. That is surely going to tempt some of those who visit for a single purpose to revisit even when the justification doesn't appear as strong, and before long you have made pirates out of people who would never have dreamed of simply downloading content for free.

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Re: purloined files - other providers

If you continue to pay your Sky subscription and still download Dexter S7, then .... is that stealing? :) At worst you're not viewing the ads Sky would insert in the UK (advertising on top of the subscription I might add), but who in he world watches those anyway in this age of time shifted viewing? Everyone fast forwards through them.

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Holmes

Re: purloined files - other providers

"Everyone fast forwards through them."

true, and with the geological speed that big business adapts to changing technology I look forward to watching their response - maybe in ten years they'll realise that nobody has watched an advert.

That and the Highstreet - its doomed, just pack up the shops now and cut youir losses

It's like watching two Giant old supertankers slowly sink.....

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Mushroom

Re: purloined files - other providers

The ban is totally ineffectual: http://www.piratebayproxylist.com/

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Re:Re: purloined files - other providers

Couldn't agree more AC.

There is no way that you can miss hearing details of a new series being aired across the pond, thus spoiling it for those who have to wait an unreasonable length of time for the series to air here in Blighty.

I'm currently downloading each new episode of Sons of Anarchy season 5 and season 2 of Homeland, which premiered last night. I point blank refuse to wait for it to be aired in the UK and risk having my enjoyment ruined by gossip, reviews, press releases, etc, I'm still paying my license fee and $ky subscription so there are no losers in this, with the possible exception of the UK advertisers - but then I'm not influenced by tv ads anyway, so the point is moot.

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"There is no way that you can miss hearing details of a new series being aired across the pond, thus spoiling it for those who have to wait an unreasonable length of time for the series to air here in Blighty."

Seriously?!

That's a pretty lame excuse. I love my US TV shows, and NEVER have this problem. Ok: I had it once by 'liking' NCIS on FB and getting spoilers, but that was easily solved.

I don't have massive issues with TV piracy, but "I have to because otherwise find spoilers when I spend time reading stuff on the Net about them" has to be the most self-deceptive excuse for piracy I've ever heard. If you already *like* the show, why do you need to read press releases and reviews anyway?

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Re: Re:purloined files - other providers

I guess that depends on how much of a fan you are, if you're a bit hard-core and like to spend time discussing shows with other fans online, then this is a big problem.

I'm enjoy watching F1 and although I'm not fanatical about watching races live or discussing it online, I wouldn't want to be waiting 6+ months to watch a race either.

Ultimately, if I pay for the TV channel that will be showing it anyway, but "pirate" it to watch when I want, where is the *actual* harm as opposed to the technical infringement?

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Torrents ? Pah

interestingly enough, I got fed up with the unreliability/unpredictability of torrents, and *paid* for an account with a n nzb index site, and *paid* a bit more for a binary newsgroup host, and now enjoy lightening fast downloads (6Mb/s) of what I tend to torrent. Which is latest episodes of US shows. (The fact that unlike a torrent I leave no trail doing this is a happy by-product.)

There's a lesson there somewhere.

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Re: Torrents ? Pah

The fact that unlike a torrent I leave no trail ...

Wrong: The ISP is required by "anti-terror" legislation to log all of your traffic and hand it over to the Proper Authorities - whoever they may happen to be - on demand. However, the "anti-terror" legislation is so neat that any infraction, including dissent, eventually must evolve into a Terrorist Atrocity so that The Authorities can do their masters bidding and prosecute.

What saves your butt is that the smooth functioning any dictatorship requires that everyone is guilty of something, they let a bit of corruption slip, saves it for later when you get to rat on your friends.

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Re: Torrents ? Pah

"The ISP is required by "anti-terror" legislation to log all of your traffic and hand it over to the Proper Authorities"

....and the logs will show a substantial amount of encrypted traffic with a usenet provider. Of course, this is only really useful if the usenet provider is located in a country which doesn't cooperate with our Proper Authorities.

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Re: Torrents ? Pah

hmmm encrypted, they like encrypted, that means you are *really* doing something naughty (in their book anyway).

If you are encrypting stuff and you don't want nanny gubinment to see it then you must be a teririririrrrist. Now be nice and open the door for that nice gentleman in the black suit and flak jacket.

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Re: Torrents ? Pah @ AC901

wow you PAID for an index site and you PAID for a newsgroup host.

Arnt you all pleased with yourself for paying for stuff !

That dosent justify anything you know - thats like a burglar admitting he paid for the crowbar and gloves!

I doubt the IP owners are going to see any of that money

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Re: Torrents ? Pah @ AC901

They've already seen it - he just said he pays a subscription service to SKY for which they pay FX, so that they might show the channel which carries Dexter S7 in 2013, which they have already agreed to be paid to Showtime in order to secure the contract...

On top of that, he is paying for an additional service to receive something he is already contracted to have licence to view slightly sooner than the whim of the first service provider.

So erm, what was your point again? Money paid to the 2nd service should somehow belong to the 1st, even though the 1st is already getting their contractually obligated slice of the pie from the first payment he makes and they have no cost involved in the 2nd service at all?

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Re: Torrents ? Pah @ AC901

But: If he downloads something and doesn't watch it on Sky, the set top boxes tell Sky that this program was watched by fewer people than actually it was. Therefore Sky think that it's not popular, don't buy the next series or similar programs and the content producers - who have a popular product - don't make any more because it appears that it's not a popular product, because it's been pirated so much.

Think things through a bit, please.

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Re: Torrents ? Pah @ AC901

Ok, explain why they still have Sky Living 1 if shows are produced purely on viewing figures...

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wow you PAID for an index site and you PAID for a newsgroup host.

I think the point AC was making was that he was willing to pay two service providers a certain amount, which allows him (albeit unlawfully) to satisfy his viewing habits.

If the content providers et al could actually get their act together and provide a similar service, then why would he need to do it unlawfully ?

Record and film companies just haven't understood that technology has allowed us to separate content from media.

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Re: wow you PAID for an index site and you PAID for a newsgroup host.

oh they understand it.

The difference is that they are both services with far lower overheads, basically because they are stealing copyright.

NZB indexers are free or £7 for 10 years ("vip" service) - slightly less than sky

Newsgroup hosts start at £124 / month - slightly less than sky

the difference - they arnt paying for the content, I'm sure if SKY could steal whatever they wanted and broadcast it wherever thay wanted they too could give you a great servive at a great price

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TPB

Try Prior (to) Buying

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Optional

Try, P'raps Buy

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About frickin' time....

Freetards have left the magnificent film and movie industries in turmoil with their selfish actions. Next up - take out open source - a scam that supposedly benefits people whilst simultaneously wrecking business models for excellent companies such as Microsoft. Intellectual Property and the ability to copyright ideas have to be sacrosanct if we want corporate profits to be maintained. Our pensions depend on it. Already we're seeing Apple take a stand against Samsung and it's great to see.

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Ah

That would explain why I had to slum it at ISOHunt yesterday.

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@AC 10:23

You almost had me going there you cheeky monkey, should have set the icon to Joke Alert though, for those of us not quite awake yet.

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TPB /is/ time-shifting

Just not in the direction the MAFIAA wanted.

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attempted theregister slander

Pirate Bay does not host content. this despicable little web trash paper is of course doing pro censorship propaganda by mentioning north american boy love association. Guess what theregisterUK, proclaiming something is a right as your internet spam website should well know, just look at the stuff you publish and proclaim here .

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Re: attempted theregister slander

It is PRQ doing the hosting, not TPB. It says so in the article.

In an interview with SVT (http://www.svt.se/nyheter/sverige/polisen-vaktar-servrar-efter-razzia) Viborg states that PRQ and TPB hasn't had anything to do with each other for years.

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Re: attempted theregister slander

I love comments like this because they're written by supporters of The Pirate Bay (et al) and the reasoning goes along these lines:

The Register is saying bad things about TPB, those bad things are that they host pirate content. This is slander because everyone knows piracy is wrong. I however support the pirate bay and what they do, so I download pirated content all the time, but that's ok. Somehow. It's a level of doublethink I find rather amusing.

Oh and also, until the technology changed, TPB hosted the torrent trackers which were server side software required to make a torrent work. So, they may not have had the content on their disks, but they supplied the infrastructure to make it work.

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Re: Re: attempted theregister slander

"It is PRQ doing the hosting....." Just to get the tinfoilhat brigade screaming and shrieking, you might not know it but PRQ also act as the hosts/tunnel-gateway for the Wikileaks servers in Sweden. I'm sure Big Brother would love to get a look inside the PRQ datacenter and trawl through their logs.....

/MuuaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

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Re: attempted theregister slander

No, the slander is claiming they both host material and using guilt by association with nambla. I never said downloading copied electronic material (pirated as you say) was wrong, you did.. You really need to be more honest with your purposeful invented misrepresentations which then you try to pass off as fallacies on the part of other people. You invented the fallacy in your mind by distortion/lying and/or faulty reasoning.

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Re: attempted theregister slander

@Truthandpower, no that is clearly what you thought, you've been called out and are now trying to weasel out of it. Just hold your hands up and admit it.

Here, just to help you: I have downloaded copyright material, which I didn't own, in the past. I can't justify it, I know it was wrong. I know that someone has lost out because I have downloaded their copyright. The difference is I am not going to try to spin my behavior as somehow not a problem, or weasel out of what I've done.

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Re: attempted theregister slander

What logs?

PRQ make quite a big deal about the fact that they DO NOT log traffic/IPs/etc/etc

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They'll be back up in a week or two I bet.

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Anonymous Coward

RlsLog own also in same DC

Damn it. RlsLog say they are down also due to raid in same DC. TPB and need RlsLog need to work together and make sure they aren't in the same DC.

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Downloading anonymously

It is possible to download anonymously, it just takes a bit more physical effort.

1. Book a room at a hotel with good WiFi as Mr Smith and pay cash

2. Download away and share with your friends by physically sharing storage media

(If you're super paranoid, wear a disguise while you check in and out)

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Re: Downloading anonymously

You forgot to mask your NIC's unique MAC address. All the authorities have to do is follow the trail from the pirate website to the hotel ISP's logs, get the MAC address, ask the manufacturer where that unique NIC went, and follow it back to your system. There might also be some logging of other unique identifiers from your OS (such as your OS licence/certificate number for Windows and iOS, harddrive and/or motherboard serial number, or IMEI if you use a mobile device) passed on by your browser which you didn't know it was doing (aren't cookies fun?). Just about every hotel in the Western World has cameras and they will have recorded you at the hotel and probably when you booked into the room that the logs show the MAC address was being used in. All of which will lead to daily showers with criminals.

Of course, for the price of the hotel room you could just buy the media legally online for a lot less - D'UH!

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