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The US military has allegedly classified Julian Assange as an "enemy", a desigation that could make any member of those forces who communicates with him or WikiLeaks to be liable for the death penalty. According to an article in Thursday's Sydney Morning Herald, this latest elevation of the charges against Assange was discovered …

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Does this make the Ecuadorian Embassy in London a target for drones?

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If they do use drones on the Ecuadorian Embassy in London then perhaps we should warn everyone in Amsterdam to climb under the kitchen table.

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Imagine if...

The USA droned the UK with bombs - oops! sorry! reports! will! be! etc!

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I think Assange is being railroaded, but I also think this chain of tenuous and "my neighbor's sister's nephew" information is... not terribly convincing. Call me when it's the NY Times saying it and not Some Dude, who heard it from Some Dude, in the Sydney Morning Herald.

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Being railroaded? He is a traitor to the United States.

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Last time I checked he's not a US citizen, so how the fuck can he be a traitor?

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@John 104 -

Overreact much?

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@John 104

How can you be a traitor to a country to which you owe no allegiance?

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Re: @John 104

Presumably by being anti US foreign policy... makes you a traitor and entitles your god-damned pinko-commie subversive shit-hole of a third-world nation to be nuked back into the stoneage. There's freedom in them thar nukuler bombs, yeehaw.

Or suchlike.

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Go check out Jeff Foxworthy

You might be a redneck

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He's not a US citizen, but even if he was, he would only be a traitor to the nazicons, oops I meant neocons, i.e. he's a friend and doing a great service to the majority of US citizens by revealing the barbaric behaviour of some of it's leaders and their executioners.

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Re: @John 104

How can you be a traitor to a country to which you owe no allegiance?

What, don't you know?

All of us who live in the Free World © owe the US a never-ending debt of gratitude for keeping the Evil Empire and its International Communist Conspiracy at bay. The fact it's been more than 20 years since anyone could claim any reason to believe such conspiracy even existed is no excuse.

Therefore, anyone interfering in US matters is an enemy and traitor not only of America, but of Democracy & Freedom ®, and rightfully deserves to be shot, hanged and burned at the closest available stake.

We've always been at war with Eastasia!

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wow John, nomination for moron of the week right there.

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No he is just a self important douche bag whose 15 minutes of fame are way beyond up. If you are going to fling charges do it at Bradley Manning. He is the one who took the Oath of Enlistment which means he voluntarily accepted being under the UCMJ which is why this case is different than the Pentagon papers (Ellsberg was a civilian). Still how he as been treated is not only stupid is helping to undermine the government's case.

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Assange cannot be a traitor to the USA as he has no affiliation with that state. The US DoD and State Department would no doubt like to incarcerate him but he is a bit too high profile to be placed on one of their extraordinary rendition flights to their currently preferred destination.

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Re: Optional @John 104

Easy, the same way Kennedy was a traitor to the Russians.

...What's a traitor again?

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"Feindbild" (enemy stereotype) ...

... isn't it nice to have a simplistic "Feindbild" (enemy stereotype) ... it's much harder to tackle the real enemy, within ... arrogance, stupidity and abuse of power ... consider the consequences by targeting whistle blowing as an enemy (remember the Nazis) ...

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"live in the Free World © owe the US a never-ending debt of gratitude "

Actually it was Probably Germany Attacking Russia that Saved UK and Western Europe from Hitler. Not the Americans. They OTH impoverished Britain and are the only Nation ever to use Atomic weapons on Civilians (or indeed at all other than tests).

Where is the Eastern Bloc today? Was it anything the US did? No. The US never won. The Russians just changed the rules.

Or maybe they were playing Calvinball all along.

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Re: a country to which you owe no allegiance?

Everybody owes allegiance to the USA. Better watch out for those drones!

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@Bit Brain "Re: Optional @John 104" Ah, but you see old chap as their.........

.........brain-dead chimpazee former president G W Bush said "if you're not with us you're against us". As far as a very particular section of the US body politic is concerned if you do not play ball you are classified as "un-American" or "anti-American" depending on which passport you hold. However, in reality as far as they are concerned this is merely a formal distinction - everybody they don't like is a traitor and should be subject to the "appropriate" penalties.

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Look, Obama has designated Assange as an "enemy of the state" and Obama is determined to see Assange's ass sitting in a U.S. prison.

No amount of whining by anybody is going to change Obama's mind on that. Deal with it.

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was Probably Germany Attacking Russia that Saved UK

Yes, but more importantly, it was Russia having finally overcome Germany with great help of USA, Britain and other allies. Just think about the scale of the Stalingrad battle and compare German casualties on the Eastern front with those on the Western front.

Yet, Americans, who know about WII anything at all, think it was private Ryan and US forces to have saved everyone.

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Re: Optional @John 104

He's a traitor - obviously - because the World IS the US of A.

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Re: Optional @John 104

If US president is leader of the free world, then anybody (except US citizens) talking against him is traitor by definition.

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Re: @Bit Brain "Optional @John 104" Ah, but you see old chap as their......... "Decider"

"I'M THE DECIDER".... hahahaha

Thanks to various reasons, many STILL "misunderestimate" him, hehehehe

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Considering my Option:

I am Julian Assange.

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Re: Re: Optional @John 104

".....he's not a US citizen...." Correct, he's not a traitor as he's not and never was a US citizen. But he doesn't have to be a citizen to be classified as an enemy as the act of stealing and distributing secret military documents is enough to make him so. Whether Oz citizens want to class him as a traitor is their's to decide, but the majority probably just class him as a criminal, suspected rapist, bail-jumper and egotistical moron.

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Re: @Bit Brain "Optional @John 104" Ah, but you see old chap as their.........

Maybe they should check Artic Fox for brain death as Bush left office and it is Obambi's buddies passing the "enemy" calssification. When are the Dummicrats like Artic Fox going to stop trying to blame everything on Bush?

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Re: @Bit Brain "Optional @John 104" Ah, but you see old chap as their.........

"Obambi"

"Dummicrats"

Oh, it's you, Matt! It's so nice to see your opinions again. I mean - Dummicrats! Wow! You're saying that *democrats* are *dumb*! What an incisive political commentary, Matt. I bet you're pretty proud: Biting *and* novel!

You know, you really do have a way with words - you're saying that Obama is just like a small baby deer! So cutting! So witty! Way to slice him down to size, eh? I mean, it's *just* the kind of thing to expect from a fawn, you know? Little wily bastards, aren't they?

I'm telling you, man - it's amazing you aren't writing for the Wall Street Journal. Have you considered applying?

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Re: He is a traitor to the United States.

Says who???

The same government that was involved in a sloppily thrown together raid on Dotcom for the benefit to the MAFIAA?? (By the MAFIAA, I mean the stooges that represent the film and recording industriesrackets in the USA.) The same government that, since 9/11 has attempted to curtail civil liberties by the use of unconstitutional act, like the PATRIOT act in an attempt to suppress its citizens???

His "partner in crime", may be a traitor, but, since he (Assange) is not a US citizen; he can not be a traitor.

Here, understand the definition of traitor, and treason:

traitor: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/traitor?s=t

treason: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/treason?s=t

Dolt!!!

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Re: @John 104

I am not sure exactly how to take your comment, as I suspect this lousy forum software stripped out your <sarcasm> tags.

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Re: I'm telling you, man - it's amazing you aren't writing for the Wall Street Journal.

Actually, he would better fit in at FoxFaux News.

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" just class him as a criminal, suspected rapist, bail-jumper and egotistical moron."

Except for bail jumper, sounds like most politicians in government today. And these crooks don't have to jump bail. Before it comes to trial, the corrupt judiciary have dismissed all charges. La plus ca change...

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To cretins like John 104, "Team America" is a training documentary.

America? Fuck yeah!

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Re: Re: @Bit Brain "Optional @John 104" Ah, but you see old chap as their.........

So after all that, are you agreeing that Dummies like Article Fox should stop blaming all Americas actions/ills on George Dubyha, or are you agreeing with him and believing that the Obumbler's administration had nothing to do with it? Perchance, do you agree with A$$nut groupies like Ars$elicker Fox in thinking that A$$nut is above the law? After all, you waded in, it would be a pleasant surprise to see you post an actual opinion. I'm not expecting much, certainly nothing original, but it would be encouraging to at least see you try.

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Re: "Maybe they should check Artic Fox for brain death"

If you wish to post an ad hominem attack concerning another poster's intelligence you might at least try spelling his/her handle correctly.

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Re: "Maybe they should check Artic Fox for brain death"

"If you wish to post an ad hominem attack...." is "ad hominem" the new buzz phrase in hippy land? Do you all sit down and get told which "long words to use this week"? Hilarious! If you post such nonsense as trying to blame A$$nut's current predicament on Bush then don't be surprised when you get accused of a low IQ.

Obambi was inaugerated as Prez in January 20, 2009, six months before the airstrikes that formed the basis of the "Collateral Murder" vid, which was released with the rest of the documents stolen by Manning between April and November 2010. Manning was arrested in May 2010. The Swedish authorities started the investigations into A$$nut's Dikileaks problems in August 2010. Now, concentrate, this is the math bit - which number is bigger, 2009 or 2010?

The whole Wikileaks and A$$nut farce has happened completely under Obama's watch. Trying to pretend otherwise is simply beyond childish.

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Re: @Bit Brain "Optional @John 104" Ah, but you see old chap as their.........

".........brain-dead chimpazee former president G W Bush said "if you're not with us you're against us". As far as a very particular section of the US body politic is concerned if you do not play ball you are classified as "un-American" or "anti-American" depending on [cut]"

Non sequitur; there is no suggestion ATM that Bush's line is being peddled. Enemy of the state would be near the mark though, and it follows from his activities that he is indeed an enemy of the state; he certainly didn't intend to do nice things, as these will not revive his paywall and other fiscal activities.

Anyone wanting the US to adopt a benevolent or at least empathic attitude to Assange would appear to have been doing too much waccy baccy, Bolivian marching powder, Mother's ruin or whatever their stimulus of choice happens to be, but it is indeed a pleasure to see stupidity parade itself with such joy, naked and proud.

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Re: @John 104

The William Wallace defence - Didn't do him much good as I recall

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"Just think about the scale of the Stalingrad battle and compare ..."

Kursk.

That is all ...

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Re: He is a traitor to the United States.

Why is it that people that scream against the PATRIOT Act have never read it?

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Re: "Maybe they should check Artic Fox for brain death"

"hippy land"

"A$$nut"

"Obambi"

"Dikileaks"

" simply beyond childish"

Indeed.

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"The whole Wikileaks and A$$nut farce has happened completely under Obama's watch."

And the whole American sub prime housing bubble happened completely under George Bush's watch. Ask the citizens of Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Iceland, Ireland (and soon France and England) who is responsible for a greater threat to their existence: Julian Assange or Alan Greenspan.

Except for you, we are over the video that Julian released. However, we may NEVER get over the damage that Greenspan did to the world economy during his tenure as Chairman of the Fed. Please don't tell us that you know that the economy will recover by such and such date.

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> it was Russia having finally overcome Germany with great help of USA, Britain and other allies

ITYF it was the Russian winter, without much help from anyone...

Vic.

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Re: "The whole Wikileaks and A$$nut farce has happened completely under Obama's watch."

"And the whole American sub prime housing bubble happened completely under George Bush's watch...." Straight out of Socialist Weekly! But if you happened to look at the FACTS instead of just repeating the dogma you have been spoonfed, you would KNOW the subprime mess was caused by Democrat vote-buying. Indeed, it can be traced as far back as the rewrites of the Community Reinvestment Act in 1995 by Bill Clinton, along with changes pushed by the White House in the late 1990s. Bush repeatedly warned that Democrat policy in the Democrat-dominated Congress was building a bubble. As early as Bush's first budget, written in 2001 and years before the bubble burst, Bush called runaway subprime lending by the government-sponsored enterprises Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac "a potential problem" and warned of "strong repercussions in financial markets." But the Democrats, especialy Barney Frank, protected Mae and Mac and tried to hide how they fudged the figures, because it allowed them to bribe poor families with "cheap" mortgages, those poor families often being in the 47% mentioned by Romney.

In November 2003, just two months after Frank said "I do not think we are facing any kind of a crisis," Bush's top economist, Gregory Mankiw, warned that ".....The enormous size of the mortgage-backed securities market means that any problems at the GSEs [Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac] matter for the financial system as a whole....." His proposed reforms were also blocked by Democrats eager to protect a system that garnered them votes.

In 2005, after Alan Greenspan pointed out the global implications of the Democrats fudging the books, the Senate Banking Committee issued a bill that would have stopped the matter dead, but Democrats voted along party lines to defeat it. Shortly after the mortgage market collapsed and left the global banking markets in the brown stuff.

This did not outright cause the problems in Spain, Greece, Portugal, etc, but EXPOSED how they had not followed good financial policies (indeed, they broke their own European rules!) as they were too busy living on credit in the socialist European dream. In Greece's case this included deliberately fudging the books just to get on the European dreamtrain in the first place. When the cost of credit went up they were stuffed because of their borrowing habits, not because of Bush or Greenspan nor even directly by the Dummicrats, but by their own stupidity. And what is the European socialists' answer? Give the same people that created the mess in Europe MORE power so they can make a federated European superstate! I don't mind as long as the Germans pay for it (as they are doing now), but I won't support the UK being lumbered with it, and I won't let them pull the wool over my eyes and blame it on Bush.

If you want to believe that then go ahead, just don't be surprised if, when you to try dodging Obambi's part in the A$$nut farce by trying to segway off into some diatribe about Bush "breaking" Europe, you get called for saying something that is simply too stupid for words. When the US do issue a warrant for A$$nut's extradition it will be most probably be by the Obama administration. Unless Romney gets in, in which case he will simply pick up where Obama left off.

We need a new "Uberfail" icon for Local Dupe, please. Maybe one of a donkey's head wearing blinkers?

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Re: "The whole Wikileaks and A$$nut farce has happened completely under Obama's watch."

Incorrect

As you do not understand how the US government works. Blaming Obama or Bush or Regan or any sitting president for ecconomic issues is like blaming the iceberg for sinking the Titanic.

Title Viii of the Civil Rights act of 1968 Signed by a democrat.

the Addition of the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 signed by a Democrat

The changes made in 1989 and 1991 allowed for greater transparancy signed by ... a REPUBLICAN.

Legislative changes 1992 Signed by a Democrat.

Although minor amendments were made directly to the Community Reinvestment Act concerning the consideration of minority and female owned institutions & partnerships during evaluations first established in 1991, other portions of the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 indirectly affected the CRA practices at the time in requiring Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the two government sponsored enterprises that purchase and securitize mortgages, to devote a percentage of their lending to support affordable housing.[4]

Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act of 1994 signed by ... A DEMOCRAT

Regulatory changes 1995 signed by A DEMOCRAT

in 1995 BILLY CLINTON (A DEMOCRAT) In July 1993, President Bill Clinton asked regulators to reform the CRA in order to make examinations more consistent, clarify performance standards, and reduce cost and compliance burden.[51] Robert Rubin, the Assistant to the President for Economic Policy, under President Clinton, explained that this was in line with President Clinton's strategy to "deal with the problems of the inner city and distressed rural communities". Discussing the reasons for the Clinton administration's proposal to strengthen the CRA and further reduce red-lining, Lloyd Bentsen, Secretary of the Treasury at that time, affirmed his belief that availability of credit should not depend on where a person lives, "The only thing that ought to matter on a loan application is whether or not you can pay it back, not where you live." Bentsen said that the proposed changes would "make it easier for lenders to show how they're complying with the Community Reinvestment Act", and "cut back a lot of the paperwork and the cost on small business loans".[36]

By early 1995, the proposed CRA regulations were substantially revised to address criticisms that the regulations, and the agencies' implementation of them through the examination process to date, were too process-oriented, burdensome, and not sufficiently focused on actual results.[52] The CRA examination process itself was reformed to incorporate the pending changes.[40] Information about banking institutions' CRA ratings was made available via web page for public review as well.[36] The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) also moved to revise its regulation structure allowing lenders subject to the CRA to claim community development loan credits for loans made to help finance the environmental cleanup or redevelopment of industrial sites when it was part of an effort to revitalize the low- and moderate-income community where the site was located.[53]

During one of the Congressional hearings addressing the proposed changes in 1995, William A. Niskanen, chair of the Cato Institute, criticized both the 1993 and 1994 sets of proposals for political favoritism in allocating credit, for micromanagement by regulators and for the lack of assurances that banks would not be expected to operate at a loss to achieve CRA compliance. He predicted the proposed changes would be very costly to the economy and the banking system in general. Niskanen believed that the primary long term effect would be an artificial contraction of the banking system. Niskanen recommended Congress repeal the Act.[54]

Niskanen's, and other respondents to the proposed changes, voiced their concerns during the public comment & testimony periods in late 1993 through early 1995. In response to the aggregate concerns recorded by then, the Federal financial supervisory agencies (the OCC, FRB, FDIC, and OTS) made further clarifications relating to definition, assessment, ratings and scope; sufficiently resolving many of the issues raised in the process. The agencies jointly reported their final amended regulations for implementing the Community Reinvestment Act in the Federal Register on May 4, 1995. The final amended regulations replaced the existing CRA regulations in their entirety.[55] (See the notes in the "1995" column of Table I. for the specifics)

Legislative changes 1999.

In 1999 the Congress enacted and President Clinton signed into law the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act. This law repealed the part of the Glass–Steagall Act that had prohibited a bank from offering a full range of investment, commercial banking, and insurance services since its enactment in 1933

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Re: "The whole Wikileaks and A$$nut farce has happened completely under Obama's watch."

In 20 of the 28 years, from January 1981 to January 2009, Republican Presidents wielded the veto pen in Washington. That is to say Reagan, Bush, Sr. and Bush Jr could have prevented any bill passed by Congress from becoming law. I don't remember seeing that Barney Frank or any other Democrat had a gun to heads of these presidents preventing them from vetoing anything.

In the last 6 years of the Clinton Administration, Republicans controlled the both the House and Senate. No bill reached Clinton's desk except that the Republicans passed it.

Forget Barney Frank, Bill Clinton, and the dull normal George W. Bush when it comes to blame for the sub prime bubble. It was Greenspan. Who later noted, "I really didn't get it until very late in 2005 and 2006." Time magazine placed him third on a list of 25 people to blame for the financial crisis"

Here are the top 6: (see any Dems?)

BLAMEWORTHY

Angelo Mozilo

Phil Gramm

Alan Greenspan

Chris Cox

American Consumers

Hank Paulson

"In 2000, Greenspan raised interest rates several times; these actions were believed by many to have caused the bursting of the dot-com bubble. However, according to Nobel laureate Paul Krugman "he didn't raise interest rates to curb the market's enthusiasm; he didn't even seek to impose margin requirements on stock market investors. Instead, he waited until the bubble burst, as it did in 2000, then tried to clean up the mess afterward."

I (moi) pointed that out in a comment to Krugman in his New York Times blog 3 years ago. The fact that Greenspan did not raise margin requirements before he made his 1997 idiot remark about 'irrational exuberance' was criminal.

The repeal of the Glass–Steagall Act was passed by the Republican controlled House and Senate.

There has been a Republican Chairman of the Federal Reserve System since 1987.

If you want to blame the bubble on something other than Republicans or Democrats, be my guest.

"In 2005, after Alan Greenspan pointed out the global implications of the Democrats fudging the books," Then "I really didn't get it until very late in 2005 and 2006." If he didn't get it till 2006, your quote is quite worthless. Maybe you better link me to Greenspan pointing out the global implications of the Democrats fudging the books? Gratzi.

"Shortly after (2005) the mortgage market collapsed" What? Did you want the bubble too inflate even more? More sub prime mortgages, more MBSs, more tranches, more CDSs? And you and the missus could have traded your house for a couple of those gorgeous Dutch tulip bulbs. Ah, what might have been!

But your gargantuan ignorance is getting me giddy. I have to go.

The uberfail icon you want should be a picture of you banging on your head, trying to get it to work again.

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@ digismith "The whole Wikileaks and A$$nut farce has happened completely under Obama's watch."

!0 years ago I would have agreed with you. 4 years ago too.

But today it is impossible to look at global economics without being overwhelmed by the enormous failure of reason and common sense that got us here.

Doesn't it look intentional? All you have to do is SPECULATE that the world's supply of oil is much less than the authorities tell us it is;

that the US Army, as the world's largest consumer of oil, doesn't want to be ambushed waiting in a queue during an oil shortage;

that even though we may continue to experience Peak oil for 40 or 50 more years, the time to start reducing demand is now;

that nothing reduces world wide demand for oil like a world wide double dip recession (depression?);

that the best way to create a world wide depression is to sell one hundred trillion dollars worth of worthless debt obligations backed by way overpriced mortgages to the banks around the world;

that when the blow back hits America, have the Federal Reserve print money which it gives to the banks by buying bonds from them and which they then use to buy stocks on the American stock exchanges which makes the economy look hunky dory.

It'd make a good movie, huh?

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Re: "The whole Wikileaks and A$$nut farce has happened completely under Obama's watch."

Ah, a Local Dupe fantasy - like Disney on acid!

".... from January 1981 to January 2009, Republican Presidents wielded the veto..." Cough*BillClinton*cough. Sorry, didn't want to draw attention to the 42nd Prez and the fact he served as such from 1993 to 2001, it might make your whole argument look just stupid.

".....It was Greenspan....." Yes, because he was in control at Freddie and Fannie, giving out those cheap mortgages to the poor (Democrat) voters, and fudging the books to hide the bubble. Oh, hold on a sec, that was Barnie Frank!

".....Time magazine....." Oh puh-lease! If you are going to quote from a rag make sure it's not one that even lefty-liberals like The Guardian's Glenn Greenwald regularly savage for its biased and innaccurate articles. TBH, if you'd quoted "the Beano" it would carry as much weight.

"....But your gargantuan ignorance is getting me giddy....." I suspect it is either the collossal amount of denial you have to live with to function that is making you dizzy, or some illegal substance. Or more likely both.

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