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Americans having just sweltered through a baking summer may not believe it, but there have been hotter ones in the past: for instance in 1913, when the second-highest temperature ever recorded - a brutal 56.7°C or 134 Fahrenheit - was seen in California's Death Valley. Until this year, the disbelieving American reader might be …

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Devil

This should be amusing

a new world record...sooner

Tut Tut Lewis, surely you're not suggesting.....................

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Re: This should be amusing

A few years back in Victoria Australia, when 1/2 the state was ablaze and the whole "every thing" was covered in smoke from the bush fires for weeks, we had 120Kmh winds at 52 or 54*C.

To put it in a nut shell, "It was fucking awful."

Of course a couple of years later we had the biggest and deepest floods ever recorded.

LOL

Fuck.

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In the heart of every climatologist.....

beats the heart of a South Yorkshire detective.

There: fixed it for you.

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Anonymous Coward

Lies damn lies and statistics - nothing like changing the data to fit ;(

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Anonymous Coward

Make up your minds

Can you please decide which of the standard denial memes you are going to run with? At least if scientists can't look back and revise data where there is evidence that its wrong, we can put all that 'urban heat island' nonsense to bed, as clearly all thermometers are always right.

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Re: Make up your minds

Self-parodying froth - are you planning to keep warm this winter by burning more books?

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Re: Make up your minds

They don't seem to have decided, on the basis of scientific evidence, that the temperature is wrong. They seem to have decided on the basis of "Well, that person might not have known how to read the gauge on the thermometer, so we'll discount it." No evidence has been put forward to suggest that the reading is incorrect, merely supposition.

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Re: Make up your minds

"No evidence has been put forward to suggest that the reading is incorrect, merely supposition.

I think rather the evidence suggesting the reading might be correct has been shown to be suspect.

There is no "benefit of the doubt" clause in scientific measurement. If there's significant reason to believe a measurement is suspect, it's expunged. In this case, we have a single measurement, without corroboration, with known complicating factors.

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Re: Make up your minds

Yes, the fuel meter on my car often says it's empty, however there is other information that suggests it may not be accurate, in that my car is moving. If this is the case I chose to discount the reading not insist that a reading has been made therefore it should be kept to, although I do make a mental note to get more fuel as it's probably not too far out.

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Re: Make up your minds

No need for heating fuel - the earth is getting warmer...

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Re: Make up your minds

Nothing wrong with expunging the record in principle. However, "why now" is a pertinent question to ask. Is there some new information that came to light recently that wasn't available in the past 90 years? Because if not, then the impetus behind examination of details as to how that reading was acquired would seem political in nature. After all, a truly scientific examination would look at a range of readings in the data set (i.e. all readings taken with Six-Bellini thermometer), not just one particular reading, even if it is an extreme one.

My personal theory is that there's this well-intentioned but misguided (in the useful idiot sense) attempt by AGW proponents to convince the public at large that global warming is a real threat and should be urgently acted upon. There are pesky things like figures and data that contradict the urgency of the phenomenon. Of course, they must be misinterpreted by the public, or blown out of proportion by the denialists. Those things, while possibly valid scientifically are really inconvenient from a marketing standpoint. John Q may well (incorrectly) say "well, it was a lot hotter in 1920s". Therefore, for marketing purposes, all the instances of politically (rather than scientifically) incorrect data must be expunged. Orwell would be impressed.

Here's what these people are forgetting. In the fog of war, you always lose sight of the truth. They can no longer know which of their data are reliable and which has been massaged for the "greater good"(tm) with "best intentions"(tm). Climate science in essence has become like a company that has two sets of books. And while both show warming, one is just not extreme enough to get people to act.

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Give it a rest Lewis

A single temperature outlier expunged? Newsworthy? Film at 11.

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Re: Give it a rest Lewis

It's more important than just being a single temperature record. It is the one that defines the top end of the scale.

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Re: Give it a rest Lewis

Do you know what an "outlier" is?

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Anonymous Coward

All this over one temperature reading?

Could it be worth it? I doubt it, even if it did happen to be the highest ever. Much ado about nothing.

However, all this business of souls beating in hearts: very unscientific. Souls, patently, don't beat, and are not located in hearts. A good scientist would be much more careful with his metaphors.

Added to which, when you've spent over two months of this year at or above 40C (assuming I read the daily figures correctly: who knows, I might have looked at the top of the numerals instead of the bottom) and knowing that other places on this conent exceded 50, thos "record" temperatures, albeit exceptional, are less noteworthy than they would be to you frozen Londoners.

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Mushroom

Watts Up

I imagine Anthony Watts will be most pleased. He is forever going on about incorrectly made temperature readings that are too high. This one's for you, Tony.

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Re: Watts Up

Watts already has an article about it (and it does seem likely that the Libyan record wasn't). The more disappointing thing is that the new record is likely to come from a new station in Death Valley that would appear to have been set up (in a compromised location) with the express purpose of recording a new highest temperature. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/13/dr-jeff-masters-shows-why-siting-matters-death-valley-steals-all-time-temperature-record-from-libya/

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About Time Too

As we all know the USA is best at everything, so it's only right and proper that a record logged by the incompetent Italians should be scrubbed. The honest, squeeky clean record should go to the Land Of The Free.

It's obvious that equipment and reading methods would have been much more accurate in 1913 than in 1922.

Anyway, Apple will own the patent on the equipment as it probably has rounded corners and will be suing the Italians and Libyans.

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fixed that for them

“In the blackened heart of every meteorologist and climatologist beats a burning desire to enslave the human race in a New World Order of Communism at the behest of a shadowy ancient species of reptilians who secretly control all world governments through the UN"

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Re: fixed that for them

Just make sure you wear Turquoise so they can't see you and suck all your blood out after your ride on the Denver Airport's maglev train to Dulce Base or Area 51, after you're selected from the UN/NWO/FEMA camp for reptoid food.

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I grew up in the desert, and spent much time as an adult in deserts around the world. Over 100 F is hot. When it breaks 110, why even keep counting? When it's 150 inside a tank turret, it's miserable, the hapless Italians be damned!

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Holmes

The finding of this inexperienced observer is that not only “If an inexperienced observer used the top of the pointer rather than the bottom, he would have been as much as 7°C in error.” but after resetting the thermometer the minimum would already read 14°C less than the maximum.

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If at first you don't succeed - cheat!

How convenient.

No-one questioned the record for decades.

Now history is being airbrushed, and only because the argument for AGW isn't strong enough.

It's pathetic!

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Re: If at first you don't succeed - cheat!

Darn it - we've been rumbled - I thought arranging that Arab spring shindig just so we could get the SAS to helicopter a new thermometer to the Libyan desert was over-egging things. still, with all those billions of government grants in our bank account in the Cayman islands, i guess we can just get on with training more sharks to shine their lasers on the ice - that seems to be having more effect.

Hope i've got your email address right - since you moved from Norwich to the secret volcano i have found some emails have gone astray

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Re: If at first you don't succeed - cheat!

No-one questioned the record for decades, apart tof course from those who did. A cursory search finds that serious questions were raised by previous researchers, both in the 1930s and 1950s.

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Pint

One of the problems with a Six-Bellini thermometer

I think after six Bellinis I might have problems reading a thermometer too!

*hic*

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IT Angle

Idiot author warning

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Re: Idiot author warning

Straight to the ad-hom attack, I'm guessing you are a climate-catastrophe true believer, yes?

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Re: Idiot author warning

Wow, attacking what you accuse to be an ad hominim attack with an ad hominim attack. I take my hat off to you.

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Mushroom

Re: Idiot author warning

Idiot commenter warning:

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Re: Idiot author warning

Obviously it wasn't if you took the time to comment on it.

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Holmes

Here's the original story from Wunderground - very interesting.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/comment.html?entrynum=89

Here's the Watts Up With That article by Dr Jeff Masters

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/13/dr-jeff-masters-shows-why-siting-matters-death-valley-steals-all-time-temperature-record-from-libya/

Of real interest in the Master's article is a piece by the late John Daly called Badlands (middle of article).

Personally I think it was reasonable making the change to the Libyan record. No records should be hidden away or not be subject to scrutiny and change to correct error. You listening to me CRU? :)

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Joke

Shock news. Reading *not* taken by Italian.

The signature at the bottom of the page has been deciphered and reads

"E. Olthwaite"

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fta

"poor matching* of the extreme to other nearby locations and poor matching* to subsequent temperatures recorded at the site" asterisks added

as *defined by them, 90 years later. humph.

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Pint

@John Smith 19

Have a pint of John Smiths to go with t' black pudding

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Eee, luxury.

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Headmaster

hot temperature?

A temperature may be high or low - not "hot" or "cold". Temperature is a description or measure of hotness or coldness. You can't have a "fast speed" or an "expensive price" for similar reasons.

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as much as 7°C in error

So that must mean that every other reading taken with a bellini-whatever could be as much as 7°C in error?

maybe it wasnt snowing on the thames in the 1800's!

maybe the icecaps arnt melting!

chaos!

fire! brinstone!

cats and dogs living together!

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