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From a distance, Nokia's new Lumia 920 flagship smartphone looks identical to its current flagship handset - but on a diet of performance-enhancing steroids. The Lumia 920 The Lumia 920, unveiled in New York today, is the first proper Nokia Windows phone, and is powered by Windows Phone 8. Its looks may be misleading: behind …

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So WP7 is the new Kin?

Totally incompatible and not long for this world, yet 5 minutes ago at launch the best thing since sliced bread? Just how many times are the few remaining mugs that don't know about this pattern are there left for it to repeat?

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Re: So WP7 is the new Kin?

"Totally incompatible"

With what?

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Re: So WP7 is the new Kin?

"Totally incompatible"

With what?

With his worldview, duh...

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Re: So WP7 is the new Kin?

What Andrew said. And then there's PureMotion HD+ (mouthful, granted). The upshot is that the Lumia 920 has a 1280 x 768 curved glass display, which gives it a PPI of 332 compared to the iPhone 4S’s PPI of 330. Android has nothing even close to that (the SIII comes in at a PPI of 306).

Sour grapes maybe, Bob?

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Re: So WP7 is the new Kin?

The Luminas light will be out the moment the iPhone 5 is announced.

It will be akin to the Kin again.

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Re: So WP7 is the new Kin?

with WP8 ?

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Re: So WP7 is the new Kin?

Is there anything more pathetic than a hater who hates something so much he has to be the first to comment?

You don't like MS/WP Bob, we get it, but it's no skin off your nose if a punter decides to buy a Lumia. Unless you have no life and nothing better to worry about, that is.

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Re: So WP7 is the new Kin?

PPI is a pointless stat - it favours phones that are *smaller* - Apple only do well because of their teeny 3.5" screen. If you took my Nexus screen and made it smaller, the PPI would go up, but I'd consider it worse. If you also reduced the resolution, but such that the PPI was still higher, that would be even worse. P/I is a useless stat, if anything, I care more about P*I. Still, given how many Apple fanatics seem to have lapped up Apple's marketing "Retina" speak, it's nice for Nokia to beat them :) And not only that, to do so at a screen size that isn't tiny.

This Nokia phone wins out on resolution - 1280x768 is a tad higher than the S3 (and only beaten by the Galaxy Note, which is perhaps too large for many people). So don't get me wrong, I agree that the Nokia resolution specs are great, and better than anything in both IOS and Android land, but it's not down to "PPI".

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@Spearchucker PPI

"which gives it a PPI of 332 compared to the iPhone 4S’s PPI of 330. Android has nothing even close to that"

So the HTC rezound with 342PPI exceeds it by enough to not be close I guess? Same for the Sony Xperia S and SL.

But, hey what difference does a 300dpi and a 500dpi screen make in a phone? Personally I couldn't care less.

Does it shatter your dreams now you know about Android phones with higher PPI or does it actually not make any difference?

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Re: So WP7 is the new Kin?

"The Luminas light will be out the moment the iPhone 5 is announced."

Download yours here AC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIRBxRlsYR0

Happy living!

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ROUNDED CORNERS

They have rounded corners............Apple are not going to like that ;)

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The 920 looks very good indeed. Still, many weeks to go before they ship and no doubt many "hands on" reviews to be read between now and then. It's at the top of my xmas list at the moment so will keep an eye on it for sure

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a typical Nokia design - Worldclass!

I love this handset. I had a Lumia 800 and I loved that. I love the vibrant colours they come out with.

But I hate the Windows OS. WinPho7 was shit. Too limiting. From what I've read I have no reason believe WinPho8 will be anything different.

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Hold yer horses...

What you see of course (in true Microsoft/Nokia style) is NOT what you get... The classic bait and switch...

http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/09/06/an-apology-is-due/

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Eat this, Apple!

NO rounded corners!

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Re: Eat this, Apple!

Even though I'm pretty much an Apple fanboy, I completely agree. The market needs a lot more designs than things that resemble Apple products. I really hope that MSFT doesn't drop the ball on this one.

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spec

Not released yet? CPU, RAM, etc...

Sounds rather nice considering I thought the Lumia handsets we already had were quite good.

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1.5GHz dual core Snapdragon, 1GB RAM, 32GB on-board, 8.7Mpx camera, 1280x768 Marketing Speak display, 17 hours talktime.

That last one is the spec that grabs me - 17 hours talk time. That's huge. That makes the GS3 look like a mayfly.

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Dual core Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 1.5 GHz

1 GB RAM, 32GB storage

5.11 x 2.79 x .42 inches, weighs .41 pounds, and comes in White, Black, Yellow, Red, Gray

4.5 inch display (1280 x 768 pixel, 332 PPI IPS LCD)

UMTS, LTE, EDGE, HSPA+, HSUPA, HSDPA, GPRS (1900, 1800, 900, 850)

Max WWAN speed: 100 Mbps down, 50 Mbps up

Wi-Fi: 802.11n, 802.11g, 802.11b, 802.11a

Bluetooth version: Bluetooth 3.1

NFC support: Yes

1.2 Mp front camera, 8.7 Mp PureView rear camera

Video out, headphone jack

Micro USB

2000mAH battery good for 10 hoours of use, wireless charging

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WTF?

So the great camera and amazing screen I was hoping for is in the 920. Ok. But the microSD slot is in the 820. Ok, I like the size of the 820 more anyway. And look at this, the 820 has a removable battery AND the wireless charging! My my, the 820 looks grand, I think I will get this one then. What's that? The 820 doesn't have the great camera or the amazing screen...Nokia, whhhhyyyyyy?

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Of course the fandroids won't be impressed with anything it offers as they like to refer to specification sheets and not real world performance.

Give me a quality stabilized 8MP camera over some lousy 12MP noisy blur-fest any day.

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as a bit of a fandroid

I'm typing this on my Nexus 7 where I've been recently incredibly impressed with the new MS Sky drive app. If WinPho works as smoothly as this then coupled with my free 25gb of storage and a top notch camera I'm feeling pretty tempted. My only concern is whether WinPho is quite ready yet, first one was interesting but flawed, this generation is looking better but it might make sense to wait for the next one.

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"Give me a quality stabilized 8MP camera over some lousy 12MP noisy blur-fest any day."

If you understood anything about photography you would know that optical stabilization on a lens this size is an absolute gimmick - the lens on a camera has to be 100mm at least before camera shake could possibly be an issue

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It's not just the lens that is stabalised, but the whole damn caboodle. If every gadget leak photographer used this there would be a lot less Mr BlurryCam pics :-)

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Sounds like an awesome phone

Can we have one with Android on it please?

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Re: Sounds like an awesome phone

No, because then it would be mediocre at best.

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Re: Sounds like an awesome phone

> No, because then it would be mediocre at best.

Fanboism is strong with this one.

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"Nokia now uses PureView as a marketing term for all of its high-end imaging "

Just got to love those marketing scallywags !

FAIL!!!

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Want one

I previously decided I'd skip this generation and use my 900 for the full two years of the contract but after learning about the 920 I may end up dropping some coin on one rather soon.

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Imagine that lense on an 808.

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" Imagine that lense on an 808."

..wouldn't do much for the kick drum sound, I fear.

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Re: " Imagine that lense on an 808."

I wonder what the ringtones are like on the 303?

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Re: " Imagine that lense on an 808."

"..wouldn't do much for the kick drum sound, I fear."

But you could get MORE COWBELL!!!

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I always preferred the 909 to be honest.

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I want.

Contactless charging, PureView and offline maps and that screen are enough to land me as a return customer. The price doesn't bother me, and NFC, lenses and the rest are icing on the cake. Nice to see WP doing screenshots at long last.

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Share price down as much as 13% during the pitch

Now down almost 11%

Guess the bankers weren't that impressed?

My opinions of today: nice hardware, the camera app has some nice features acquired from Scalado IP, but over all not that impressed as the OS hasn't progressed significantly beyond supporting a higher resolution and an extra core.

Nokia can only bang on about their display, trying desperately to make it sound great when frankly most mobile phone displays are plenty good enough and hardly differentiators these days, but also tragically devaluing the PureView brand by claiming an 8MP sensor will perform better than any smartphone camera available (suggesting Nokia have forgotten completely about the 41MP PureView 808, or don't consider it a smartphone).

Nokia Maps is nice, always has been, but the other apps are just gimmicks - City Lens? Purlease.

Great to see someone going large on wireless charging - hopefully Nokia can keep it on the market for longer than Palm.

Overall, nice hardware, perfectly usable phones, but unfortunately using a rather dull OS. Pass.

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Re: the other apps are just gimmicks

It's worse. All of them are things IOS,Android,Blackberry (and probably Symbian and Java feature phone) users have been able to download of their respective app stores for a long time. Free downloads apart from offline maps.

Seems the only innovation in the phone is from Nokia hardware and it's not enough to survive today's market. Or maybe Nokia will pre-emptively sue Samsung before they can drown Nokia in similarly featured phones ;)

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Re: the other apps are just gimmicks

So what great apps do other platforms come installed with? My Nexus didn't even have a notepad application...

Yes, you can get things for free - but I don't see why you're criticising Nokia for providing this.

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@anonymous coward

WP8 actually supports up to 64 cores. Your claims that WP8 is not advanced are just plain laughable, because if you do your research you will see huge advances in this operating system. Many of the features have been revealed weeks ago, but there are many more still to be announced. Let's put it this way - even based on the current known features of WP8, it has already caught up and surpassed the competition.

As for the camera, I guess you have no clue about image quality. The Nokia 920 features a floating lens, which gives real optical image stabilisation. It has an F2.0 aperture - that's best in class and allows 5-10x more light to enter than any other competing smartphone camera. The BSI sensor is the same type as used in the iPhone 4S. Early hands on reviews have already shown just how awesome this camera is. And it's just the beginning!

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Re: the other apps are just gimmicks

Paul,

It's worse than that, too. Download an up-to-date Google maps on Android and you get the ability to stop offline maps, too- and it works stinkingly fast locally. No doubt iOS 6 will have something similarly good in the new Apple mapping setup also.

(The Nexus 7 having a proper GPS receiver was a really nice surprise, Google maps on it is pretty wonderful as a pocket mapping thang)

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Re: the other apps are just gimmicks

Firstly, I'm not sure how Android and Nokia WP having the same features is a down point for Nokia - let alone the idea that IOS might get something at some point in the future, 6 years after Nokia were doing it.

But Android's offline support is atrocious - you can only store a handful of city-sized regions at a time that you manually have to select, despite me having more than enough space to store the entire world. With Nokia maps, you can store countries or continents at a time. Don't get me wrong, I love my Samsung Galaxy Nexus - but the offline maps is something that Nokia got right years ago, and after waiting for ages for this on Android, I was disappointed to see how it worked. (E.g., if I'm travelling to another country on roaming fees, I want to just select the entire country, not have to worry about which blocks of the map I might visit. Or maybe I'll just store the entire world and not have to worry about it again.)

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"if you do your research you will see huge advances in this operating system."

I think AC was looking for something that's advanced *to use*, not to have geek bragging rights.

I mean there's zero advantage to the user if the OS supports 64 cores, but only has 2 to play with. If that was such a big advantage they'd have fitted a quad core to the phone wouldn't they?

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Re: the other apps are just gimmicks

I agree 100% about the maps. Nokia's map app was wonderful on my last phone (N97, and no, don't knock it, it worked just fine for me).

When Nokia announced they would drop Symbian for Windows I was so disgusted I went out and bought an Android phone, which I was/am very happy with... except the maps. The Nokia map app beat the Google one hands down. I want the whole country on my phone, without having to be online.

There are some map apps for Android that do this, but they're just not up to snuff, IMHO,

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Re: Share price down as much as 13% during the pitch

The iPhone 4S has an f2.4 aperture. f2.0 lets in 44% more light, not 5-10x more light. (By the way, the new HTC phones also have f2.0 apertures.)

What Nokia is clearly referring to is that their image stabilization system allows for shutter speeds that are a few times slower for the equivalent amount of image blur. Independent testing will confirm whether or not this is true, but personally I'm skeptical. Personally, if I concentrate, I can keep my hands still enough to get reasonably sharp photos with my iPhone with shutter speeds of 1/20th of a second. Nokia seems to be claiming that I can keep their camera still enough to allow for exposure times of 1/4 to 1/2 of a second, which seems like a really long time.

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If you read the details, you would know that the dual core processor is 30% more efficient than the quad core. Since battery life is a key factor in smartphones, and Windows phone is known to be highly optimised for performance anyway, then it makes sense to opt for dual core and get better battery life, especially since not having quad core won't compromise the performance of this phone.

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The hands-on tests showed that it clearly does work and blows away all the other phones. But this is mostly aimed at low light conditions and for situations where you don't want to (or can't) concentrate to take a still picture. In bright light conditions, I suspect the difference won't be as big.

The floating lens clearly works for video too, and it's probably the floating lens which makes the biggest difference here.

But the point about PureView is that it's the combination of all the new technologies that delivers the quality of the pictures - the floating lens, the F2.0 aperture, the BSI sensor, and the processing algorithms. It's a solid foundation on which to build further improved image technologies in future handsets.

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Re: Share price down as much as 13% during the pitch

WP8 isnt handicapped by a monolithic kernel, so it has no reason to need more than 2 cores yet.

I expect that will be a feature of future Full HD and better devices to support high end gaming....

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Typical

Engineers make something wonderful like PureView, and marketers think it is the name that makes it special!

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Who is the bright yellow model marketed at, construction workers so it will match their high visability jackets?

Least they can't get accused of copying the iPhone design with those colours

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If you're a scientist, black isn't a colour; if you're an artist, white isn't a colour. Either way, Apple's palette is certainly dull.

Expressing oneself through a phone is daft, but I'm tempted by the yellow Lumia - nice phone and it'd match my motorcycle.

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