Calling an external hard drive on a desk at home "a personal cloud" is a bit of a stretch - but that is exactly what Toshiba is doing with its latest 3.5in disk product, the STORE.E CLOUD. After announcing internal-fitting 3.5in drives using technology acquired from Western Digital, Tosh has quickly followed up with 2TB and 3TB …
I think the scribe of the article is off his rocker...
With 6 grand for 3x1GB USB sticks, we can safely say that Toshiba's NAS has enough time to absolve a full service life, before those USB sticks come down to challenge it in its price range.
And cloud with "guaranteed up time" is something that's guaranteed only for as long as the current tech bubble lasts.
Is he not watching governments all over the world clamp down on electronic communications, with folks like Anonymous & co giving them the perfect excuse?
The only thing sure in regards to that fantastic distributed cloud is that some criminals, or worse, some government agency is going to end up with your data.
Because nothing has changed in our modern times: Governments are just the most powerful crime syndicate in any given country, well second most powerful now; bankers took the number one spot, since they managed to absorb control of the money supply.
Please tell me where I can get these high capacity USB sticks. (Or very big pockets)
At $2000 you need big pockets indeed!
@Kane Last I checked, 1TB < 3TB
@Annihilator - Last I checked, "sticks" is plural, so 3x 1TB = 3TB
Yes, oops. I did intend to fully qualify the USB stick quip by referring to what we'll be carrying in our pockets in the future. Brain fart in the morning. Apologies for the stupid oversight.
Chris W (not Chris Mellor).
@Kane - Touché! :-) Final pedant, "will hold more" means 3 x TB !> 3TB. I'll leave it as an intellectual exercise to work out how we can solve that problem too :-D
... just think how many MOD documents or Child Benefit records you could loose down the back of a train seat.
My what now?
Not so much big pockets as DEEP pockets... or a very big wallet.
Paris, just because she's there...
Could the author mention that any more in this shoddy work? The short answer is no.
That's just going too far... If there's no upping or downing it can't be high as a cloud, must just be fog, or just smoke and mirrors (although probably not Raid 1).
It is a personal cloud because it isn't your main store (it is designed to back up your files) and it is accessible from anywhere. That does kind of match the definition of cloud storage to some. Sure it isn't itself robustly backed up or strung across several servers with guaranteed uptime, but you can put your stuff on it, and then get it from anywhere so that is cloudy enough. It also has the benefits of you knowing exactly where all your stuff actually is. So what if they use the catchy cloud word. Apple have a time machine, but nobody has suggested they are no Doc Brown...
I run a similar set up with my home server and it is handy, but this may be handier still.
Well, timemachine = sequential backups but no one pulled them up on that.
@SuperTim; I agree with you but will qualify. One of the key (selling) points of "cloud" is it's off site location and the implied or stated promise of a high level of curation and security. I believe the author's contention is based on that distinction. However, it is at best, an arguable point. Like you I am more comfortable in assuming the role of curation, including security, simply because I have no trust in device reliability, fate, and someone else's surety. That said, your point, imho, is enough to make a product and the thread only quibbles about what to call it. As we all might agree, clouds are a nebulous and ephemeral phenomena , and therefore cloud may in fact be exactly the right term for all of backup. Reaching the goal is still largely dependent on the user.
One of the key (selling) points of "cloud" is it's off site location and the implied or stated promise of a high level of curation and security
I suspect there's nothing in Toshiba's Ts&Cs that says you have to put this in your own living room.
"The box only holds 3TB - USB sticks will hold more and you can carry them in your pocket." - Awsome, can you point me in the direction of these 3TB+ USB sticks?
If the external storage is connect to the computer by a cable thats say one meter long it's well ... external storage. If the cable and other pathways are say 10,000km then it's "cloud" storage. Glad I got that all cleared up.
"The box only holds 3TB - USB sticks will hold more and you can carry them in your pocket"
I'll be generous, let's say, 32GB sticks. A quick comparison (hdd v usb sticks, quantity, price, weight, pocket size). I'll spare you the details, for obvious reasons. So please!
p.s. yes, the name of this box is beyond ridiculous.
There's a 512Gb USB stick on eBay right now for £35. You could stick six of those on a hub. Can you RAID up USB sticks?
Good luck with that but with the kind of flash used for that stick, I fear you will be backing up the backup ad infinitum
So where is Linux then?
Er.. Umm.. I meant iOS of course - not OSX! Duh!
You said it all...apparently 2001 will be the year of desktop Linux.
The whole concept of 'Cloud' is just marketing BS anyway, generaly being used as a trendy new word for lots of stuff that could be done before, but not called cloud so wasn't current.
Have the marketing team been smoking rainbows?
No, Unicorn horn.
"What's needed is a drive vendor-built home storage hub with half-decent compute power and functionality to protect and deliver data - but simpler to run than a PC. You want to plug it in, set it up and leave it alone."
The Synology range seem to be very good in this area
"The box only holds 3TB - USB sticks will hold more and you can carry them in your pocket"
I have seen 64MB USB sticks at a reasonable speed for just under £25 each. So you would need about 50 of them costing about £1200.
I have a better idea which is cheaper and takes up less space. Its called an external hard disk...
... fifty thousand 64MB sticks?
I prefer mine outside the home and as far away from me as possible.
Given that the term was rather meaningless to start off with. It's an internety storagey disky backupy thingymabob. Like every other 'cloud' device/service.
Frankly what else is the cloud apart from third party network storage and hosted VMs? It's hardly new technology - the only thing that's new is almost ubiquitous access over the internet.
Am I the only person who's sick of everything lately having the word "Cloud" in it's name or in the product description? It's the latest buzzword (Synergy anyone?) and I wish it'd sod off!
I invented a private non-reduntant read-only cloud storage device.. I call it a piece of paper :)
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Since it's internet-accessible I'd have thought that you can put it wherever you can get someone to agree to host it. It's just easier to get permission at home. That deals with location-independent.
Now it just needs the software to be able to manage the storage and retrieval to multiple devices in a way that the user sees them as a single space. Then, as if by magic, a cloud appears!
And wherever you can get assloads of upload bandwidth.
+ OpenMediaVault for all your badly named storage needs.
Why does Store.E Cloud make me think of Wile E. Coyote first thing? It makes me think of some spectacular device that ends in a spectacular failure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wile_E._Coyote_and_Road_Runner in case you were deprived as a child.
I'm getting fed up of the phrase "cloud".
I complained a while back about a website not working properly (the preview audio clips were stuttering). The website owner replied saying it couldn't go wrong because it was "in the cloud". He'd been sold his hosting on the fact it didn't use old fashioned servers, but "the cloud".
as reliable as Amazon cloud, or the Apple cloud.
Yes, but at least you can't fall into a situation where everyone except yourself can access your "private" data.
Cloud is one of those weasly umbrella terms, like Web 2.0, Intellectual Property, or "because God." I have a Hotmail account from before the MS buyout. I used it to store my WAV files. When I was a kid, I had mates who stored their bleeping MOD files in each other's houses over phone lines.
I can have a personal home server these days with a messenger-style protocol I can access from anywhere, but that's what it is. A server. Software as a service, is just a program running online, like Prestel. Virtualising the server OS to make it stretchable across hardware is tautologically that.
But if somebody sells me a "Personal Cloud", I expect to ride around on it shooting lightning at people...
Lumping unrelated things together under a single term is the opposite of science!
Few corporations and even fewer individuals need cloud computing. It's like selling oil to the Arabs. If people are dumb enough to buy into this scam, then maybe they deserve to be scammed?