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A fairly basic security slip has showed just how far the British police are preparing to go to make sure Julian Assange doesn't leaving the UK without getting his collar felt. Photo of police plan Police plan caught by snapper (click to enlarge) Credit: PA "Action required – Assange to be arrested under all circumstances …

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Cue Dame Stella Rimington

“If it is all such sensitive stuff why was it available to a young police officer?"

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Re: Cue Dame Stella Rimington

Because he is one of the officers assigned to the task?

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Compartmentalized security. Assange needs to be captured, he is one of the officers assigned to catch him, therefore he has a need to know. As to WHY Assange needs to be captured at all costs he is unlikely to have access to, as he does not have a need to know.

It's the same reason that the US president or British PM for example don't know every secret. They can certainly request the information, and will likely be granted access to it, if they have a need to know.

I'm not a huge lover of Assange myself but for what should effectively be a simple extradition they seem to be going to an awful lot of trouble to make sure he gets captured and extradited. Covert Operations... Counter Terrorist Unit, stationed police officers with a capture at all costs note and all for a withdrawal of consent so you raped me charge and extradition. I believe we did go to the moon, that LHO was the lone gunman, AQ bombed the towers, and that Marilyn Munroe overdosed... so I'm not exactly a conspiracy nut, but something really really stinks about what is really going on here and I honestly think this is all a back route to get him back to the US.

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Re: Cue Dame Stella Rimington

"“If it is all such sensitive stuff why was it available to a young police officer?""

.. eh?

It was pretty clear to me she was referring indirectly to Bradley Manning and questioning why it was so easy for a young US army officer to burn a CDROM from a diplomatic cable database in the first place. Nothing to do with the UK copper's clipboard? Where did that quote come from?

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Re: Cue Dame Stella Rimington

for what should effectively be a simple extradition they seem to be going to an awful lot of trouble to make sure he gets captured and extradited

No need for conspiracy theories here, just examine the amount of diplomatic shit the UK lands in if it doesn't fulfil its extradition obligations, or the kind of legal problems that will emerge if Assange gets away with this.

Let's keep in mind that the only thing he is positively guilty of is breaching his bail, I'm parking the Swedish thing as "prior to interrogation". The UK has received a legitimate request for extradition, and as the subject of this request has failed every conceivable challenge in law (thus making it in the process the most ever examined extradition ever, thus making it watertight from a legal perspective), the UK has no choice under the treaties but to ship his ass - or find itself in breach of what it signed up to.

In addition, an embassy has an agreement with a host country not to interfere with local matters. I know his ego and press releases pretend otherwise, but Assange is a local matter, and by accepting him under asylum conditions, Ecuador is in breach of its obligations. They may get away with not paying congestion charges and speeding tickets, but this is too public to shove under the mat of diplomacy, and it will have consequences of its own for Ecuador (not because it's Assange but because it breaks the rules of diplomacy in too many ways to be acceptable).

The next problem is one of law. Assange supporters seem to have lost sight of the fact that people that have been raped have rights too (some of the comments I have seen have been plain shocking, and I hope for these people their girlfriends/wives never find out what they managed to write). Even if Assange has not been GUILTY of rape, he has been ACCUSED of it, and the only way to clear that is to collaborate. Running away is (a) not exactly making him look that innocent and (b) blocks any opportunity to clear his name. Given the circumstances that make this affair escalate into rape it is evident that Assange had many opportunities to prevent the escalation. Given the request, if Assange had himself tested for STDs as requested (which, I note he could have done in the UK) and sent over that data, the process in Sweden would have stopped before it hit the "rape" threshold.

If the UK allows someone who has now migrated himself into criminal status in the UK (by skipping bail) to avoid justice by hopping into the nearest embassy, it will signal every burglar, wife beater and drug dealer what to do as soon as the heat is on, making a complete mockery of a system that is not ideal as it is.

Ergo, Assange has given the UK no choice. He knows that, and is milking for all its worth. He knows that all he has done has caught up with him, and if he sets one foot outside the embassy it's over. Because there is not a single positive message to be had from him escaping other than for Assange himself.

It means the anarchist have finally taken over the asylum..

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Re: Cue Dame Stella Rimington

@ Anonymous Coward just above

"If the UK allows someone who has now migrated himself into criminal status in the UK (by skipping bail) to avoid justice by hopping into the nearest embassy, it will signal every burglar, wife beater and drug dealer what to do as soon as the heat is on, making a complete mockery of a system that is not ideal as it is."

Not quite, because that embassy would kick the person out to the authorities quicker than you can say "Salir!"

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Re: Cue Dame Stella Rimington

> Not quite, because that embassy would kick the person out to the authorities quicker than you can say "Salir!"

Like they did in this case?

How about if its a local girlfriend/boyfriend/acquaintance of a diplomat?

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Re: Cue Dame Stella Rimington

> Like they did in this case?

This case is fairly exceptional - this guy isn't any old burglar, wife beater or drug dealer.

> How about if its a local girlfriend/boyfriend/acquaintance of a diplomat?

Yes, good point, because every burglar, wife beater and drug dealer in this country is acquainted to a diplomat.

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Re: Cue Dame Stella Rimington

Because this was intentionally leaked? To let Assange know how far the U.K. will go to capture him?

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Re: Cue Dame Stella Rimington

"I'm not a huge lover of Assange myself but for what should effectively be a simple extradition they seem to be going to an awful lot of trouble to make sure he gets captured and extradited."

Well, he's not above the law, you know. Just like the trouble they took to make sure Pinochet did not slip away, even though the latter was only being accused of a fairly common fault amongst his brethren (crimes against humanity, could have happened to anyone).

(He *didn't* get away now, did he? Or is my memory failing me? Maybe one should ask the Foreign Office what is their recollection regarding that matter. Surely there is only one law for everyone, friends or otherwise?).

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Re: Cue Dame Stella Rimington

The UK should never have accepted the extradition order since:

An EAW can only be issued for the purposes of conducting a criminal prosecution (not merely an investigation), or enforcing a custodial sentence. It can only be issued for offences carrying a maximum penalty of 12 months or more. Where sentence has already been passed an EAW can only be issued if the prison term to be enforced is at least four months long.

In this case Assange has complaints filed against him for continuing having consensual sex after a condom broke, and another for having sex whilst the person was asleep.

There is no proof, just the statements of 2 feminist activists.

So te Swedes have no case against him, they didn't charge Assange with anything. They want him 'to assist the police with their inquiries"

No EAW can be given for that, the UK acts illegally for enforcing it. Having a kangaroo court allowing it to go true says something about justice in the UK nothing about Assange.

This case stinks so hard it is becoming ludicrous.

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Not exactly stymied

My down vote for this clearly professional and remarkably knowledgeable insight was stymied.

I downvoted it because it is obviously the work of the ruling class or the minions of the elite.

Assange is in trouble in Sweden despite his efforts to do the right thing there. No court in any civilised country would be able to find him guilty if charged as his word is as good as each one of his accusers in any fair hearing. In other wqords, all he has to say is that he didn't do what they said they did.

Rumour has it they were on friendly terms after the fact in both cases, that the women wanted to tertact their statements and that Assange was expressly given freedom to leave Sweden by the relevent authorities.

And now the above letter of the law is making him look bad for jumping to the conclusion he is being set up. Which he bloody obviously is. So Sweden may or may not try him, he most probably will get off scot free if tried.

The USA may or may not try him. But on what evidence based on what happened to Bradely manning?

Also the USA has a recent history of being criminal politically. V#can a civilised country expell him to that place wheere he can be disappeared, quasi legally?

I don't think so.

So no matter what sensible arguments the letter of the law publish in its defence of the hounding going on in this case, this poster would vote no bloody way if I was on any jury -no matter how well the prosecution stated their argument.

I for one couldn't co-operate with the doing of wrong.

Which is after all what Wikileaks is all about:

Shouting from the mountaintops what is whispered in secrets.

So **** you and **** the authority you came in on.

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I have my doubts that the US will touch him. Doing so would be stupid in the extreme. If Assange were to disappear the whole world would know what happened to him. The damage he can do is already done, but making him vanish would be a PR nightmare for an already unpopular government given the following that Assange has.

As for the rape charges, they sound bogus to me but I'd rather see that proven in a court of law.

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Yes...

I believe I noted this was the likely case, on oh about twelve occasions between El Reg and other forums. "Never, he's scumbag criminal" "Oh no, we won the war, UZA for teh winz!!", etc etc ad nausum.

Well.. how do you like them apples?

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Re: Yes...

... what?

Too many Friday night pints?

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the police

Can only.keep this level of security for so long. Sooner or later the budget will demand that police levels are.either reduced or removed completely. Crims in the surrounding areas must be having a field day with the reduce police presence in their areas.

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Ecuadorian & attached embassies probably saving a mint on their Insurance policies too.

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Re: the police

You'd think that, but you have to remember most of these criminals will be targeting ordinary people like you and me. Politicians and the oh so honourable members of ACPO are unlikely to give much of a toss because a few 'small' crimes won't cost them their jobs. Assange doing a runner and causing and embarrassing international incident on the other hand...

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Re: the police

Let me remind you that despite our "war on drugs" not only can the US not prevent its citizenry from acquiring prohibited substances from the far reaches of the world, we can't even keep them out of our most controlled spaces: our prisons. If we can't keep heroin, Meth and Marijuana out of a prison, what hope have we of keeping it out of a Middle School, Junior High, or High school? None.

I don't care for any of these substances myself, but I know stupid when I see it.

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"Ecuadorian & attached embassies probably saving a mint on their Insurance policies too."

I'm not so sure. The risk of a fire starting in one of the other apartments, necessitating an evacuation of the entire building must be quite likely now.

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sovereignty only important for your country

Funny how quiet the UK side will be on this now their government is being as assnine as the Yank's government that they love to comment on. Assange is a douche bag of the first order but the UK government is almost making him a sympathetic figure at this point.

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Re: sovereignty only important for your country

I hold Assange in much higher regard. I'm assuming you consider him to be a 'douche bag' either because of some character trait you find objectionable and/or because you have conservative beliefs on how governments should operate completely separated from the commons. But generations from now, historical documentation tends to filter out a lot of the bias and subjectivity every current society gets mired in, and information exposed by sources like Wikileaks will be a part of that.

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Re: sovereignty only important for your country

No, he's a douche because he's a self-publicising arrogant twit who would step over his own dead grandmother for a pot of tea if he thought it would get him an advantage and more publicity. He's skipped bail on very serious charges, refuses to defend himself, claims he's being persecuted by foreign governments and all the while pushing himself forward as the saviour of mankind, whilst those who did the actual work are languishing in jail or go completely unacknowledged.

He is an arsewipe of the highest order and he deserves not a single iota of respect from anyone. EVER.

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He's a douche

But he's a useful douche.

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@Graham

I tend to agree with you on a few personality points but then again; point of the matter is also that most people know Assange based on what the media tells us. And hopefully we've all come to one realization: the media more than often doesn't give the full story.

But wrt. wikileaks and people going unnoticed. I think there's more to that story than what you're sharing here. If people are indeed in jail because of what they alledgidly did on wikileaks I think the least they'd want is recognition from wikileaks for their work.

Quite frankly I think most people who sent material to wikileaks would prefer to remain anonymous because in most cases messengers of malpractices will be shot. Here in Holland we now have a small riot over the 'VUMC' hospital where an international recognized lung specialist came forward and put some mal practices in the open, mal practices which could be - proven - and which showed that some doctors would actually put more priority on other interests than over the lives of their patients.

What do you think happened to this lung specialist, even though the things he showed could be proven and weren't even that much denied?

At this point he's at home and from the looks of it he won't invited back to this hospital. Even his whole staff is behind him and refuses to cooperate with some investigations.

So well... With examples such as these, and numerous available everywhere, I can fully understand why wikileaks wouldn't publicly give credit to the people providing the information. In 9 out of 10 cases that would work heavily against them.

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Re: @Graham

All well and good, but it doesn't quite address the issue of why Assange himself decided to go down the road of maximum publicity, fluff pieces from some oddly mesmerised thralls in the liberal press (who he then mostly turned on when they began to question his erratic behaviour), maximum personal fundraising and a circus of high flying lawyers. Perhaps if he wasn't a giant arsewipe and kept his head below the parapet in the first place then the stories would still be about the leaks and not about his douchey behaviour.

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Re: sovereignty only important for your country

@asdf

you can't visit El Reg very often if you think people here are quiet about taking the piss out of Britain. However, we are equal-opportunity piss-takers, and will happily pour a golden shower of comments on any country/person/entity/company that deserves it (or doesn't move fast enough to get out of the way).

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Re: sovereignty only important for your country

I don't care for him personally, but he's only wanted for questioning and that can be done anywhere. He would be charged and a proper international arrest warrant issued if there was a chance of conviction.

But getting him extradited to Sweden is just a way for the UK to get him sent to the US without the UK getting the blame for it.

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Re: He's a douche

Exactly, many famous historic characters weren't very nice. Florence Nightingale for instance.

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Re: sovereignty only important for your country

Have a pint on me Graham. A sound point well made.

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Re: "very serious charges"?

What "charges"?

There are no "charges". There are unsubstantiated allegations of "rape" from two women (one of whom seems to have mysteriously disappeared) who willingly and without a struggle or protest had sex with Assange, then later decided that it was "rape" ... because he didn't use a condom.

Right now the only thing Assange is wanted for is questioning, something the Swedish police authorities had ample opportunity to do, both in Sweden and later in the UK, but they chose not to, until it suddenly and suspiciously became very important for them to extradite Assange to Sweden, for reasons they haven't adequately explained, but which seem clearly linked to the US government.

I find it very odd that the UK government would make such a fuss, waste so much of the taxpayer's money, and risk a diplomatic incident over something that ostensibly amounts to nothing more than a case of sexual remorse. I find it even stranger that people would call Assange a "douche", while blatantly ignoring the US military atrocities and government corruption this "douche" exposed to the world.

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Re: "very serious charges"?

@homer

"What charges?"

Breach of bail conditions. I would hope that after Sweden is finished with him (whatever the verdict) he will be brought back for a spell behind bars. Remand pending trial is important as innocent people can avoid having their lives ruined before trial. The more people skip bail the less it will be available so I hope he is properly punished for that as a detterant to others.

I'm not usually one of the lock'em up brigade but I think that this is a serious offence.

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Re: "very serious charges"?

"What charges?"

You can't be charged unless it is done in person. The entire point of extraditing him to Sweden is to allow charges to be laid. So long as he stays out he cannot be legally charged. He knows this. The European Arrest Warrant was issued by Sweden in order to get him back there to allow him to be charged. Arguing that because he hasn't been charged he must be innocent is simple ignorance about the manner in which the process happens.

The way Swedish law works is different to the UK. Once he is charged he is required to face trial within two weeks. This is one reason why the charging process happens later than you might be used to. In Sweden, the process requires a "second interview" during which charges are laid. It is for this interview that Assange's arrest warrant was issued. There is a lot of misinformation about the process, which seems to be wilful ignoring the nature of the legal process in Sweden and trying to re-interpret the names used for the stages (which will be in Swedish) in a manner that suggests a far less serious level of intent.

Everything that all the Assange supporters complain about hinges on one wild assertion. That that bastion of conservative politics, the well know lapdog of US imperialism, Sweden, has already agreed with the US to ship him over to the US once he lands in Sweden. This isn't credible. If you drop that one assertion, the rest falls apart.

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Re: @Graham

So, ShellUser, did your lung specialist put his whistleblowing info behind a pay wall? Did he then threaten to sue media partners that published "his information" without first getting his permission and his express permission? I think you are confusing a real whistleblower (the lung specialist) with a conman out to make a fast buck and satisfy his desire to "stick it to the man".

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Re: sovereignty only important for your country

OMG you are really several weeks behind! Only the most blinkered of the Faithful are still repeating that male bovine manure. Complete and utter fail.

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Re: sovereignty only important for your country

Let me see UK & Sweden:

Which one is more likely to extradite to US?

Which one hosts Wikileak servers?

It's complete nonsense to suggest Sweden is more likely to extradite him to US.

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Re: "very serious charges"?

There are no "charges". There are unsubstantiated allegations of "rape" from two women (one of whom seems to have mysteriously disappeared) who willingly and without a struggle or protest had sex with Assange, then later decided that it was "rape" ... because he didn't use a condom.

Given that UK courts have gone over the arguments numerous times and have found the argument for the rape case to be so substantive that the charges could be equated to rape under UK justice, I think the word "unsubstantiated" is well and truly negated. Secondly, indeed, the charges did not start as rape but escalated into rape because Assange chose not to do the right thing. Now, given that he's married with kids I guess he has no problem with staying away from home for now..

In addition, let us not forget that Assange was only the last step to expose information - the risk was taken by others. Assange just takes the "glory" and plays God with it. To me, the final straw was Assange's supporters threatening to "reveal all" if something happened to Assange - at that point they finally and completely turned from potentially misguided idealists into information terrorists - the entertaining question is now, for instance, what would happen if Wikileaks got fed compromising data from Ecuador - I am willing to bet it'll disappear of be "quality checked" forever until the Ecuadorian ambassador has had enough time to discover the first impressions may not always be correct and boots him out.

There is no evidence that there is a plot in the background. Indeed, hard evidence suggests Assange is fully capable of getting himself deep into trouble without any external help. Note I said hard evidence - because the facts are out there. I found it telling that Assange broke off with the Guardian because they published the Swedish documents which somewhat inconveniently disproved his version of events.. If Assange's version had been somewhere near truthful I would have had some time for him, but the guys lives several miles outside reality.

Maybe he should go to a mental institution instead..

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Re: Remand

I knew someone who hung himself on remand.

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Giles Jones Posted Saturday 25th August 2012 11:35 GMT

um a proper arrest warrant HAS been issued

A Swedish Arrest Warrant has been issued; and according to the UK courts; it has been :

1.filled in properly

2. by a properly authorised person

3. acting on behalf of a properly constituted EUROPEAN entity.

Therefore - according to the European Extradition Treat - his extradition to Sweden is mandatory by ANY European Community country. Note there is no requirement for anything else to exist (especially not any concept of breaking a UK law; which has been deliberately and with malice afore thought been removed from the EU Extradition treaty terms)

Extraditing him to Sweden is a duty required by the EU.

Where does extradition to the US come into this ? The US has not issued an International Arrest Warrant for Assange; and they have indicated that they do not intend to do so; nor will they apparently attempt to extradite him from Sweden. Which Extradition would have a far higher hurdle to clear than an extradition under the EU Extradition treaty. Lets see; Assange gave his word to a British Court that he would NOT run away. He broke his word. Do I trust anything he says ? No more than I'd trust any other political activist's

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Re: sovereignty only important for your country

"No, he's a douche because he's a self-publicising arrogant twit who would step over his own dead grandmother for a pot of tea if he thought it would get him an advantage and more publicity."

True

"He's skipped bail on very serious charges,"

True

"refuses to defend himself,"

False

"claims he's being persecuted by foreign governments"

Well, he is.

"and all the while pushing himself forward as the saviour of mankind, whilst those who did the actual work are languishing in jail or go completely unacknowledged."

Mostly true.

"He is an arsewipe of the highest order and he deserves not a single iota of respect from anyone. EVER."

50-50.

Pass, well done but see me after.

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Re: sovereignty only important for your country

Graham,

"No, he's a douche because [....]"

Do you or do you not know Mr. Assange on a personal level? If you do not, why all the acrimony?

One may agree or not with people's public actions, and either fervently support or thoroughly criticise those actions, with as much force and passion as one deems appropriate. But on the other hand, making a character assessment of someone one has never met in one's life... I would stay well clear of that, least it's taken as an indication of my own defects.

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Talking of douches

If you ar an unelected fat drunk who gave half of Europe to Stalin you get honoured -even offered a Dukedom (Duchy.)

Said fat drunk killed more British troops than Georing, Rommel and Donitz until the US stopped him, then he promoted Harris and Montgomery over better men. (Threw Dowding out on his ear.) **** the lot of them.

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Re: Remand

No you didn't. You know someone who died in suspicious circumstances.

They used to let you out of prison if you shared a cell with a suicide. Lot's of people started killing themselves to assist this. (Not sure how that would work in a prison that you were sent to until proven innocent.)

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Re: He's a douche

Can I just complain briefly, on behalf of my Gallic friends, about the blatant misuse of the word "douche". I mean, it's not even as if the Limeys will really understand why the Septics use this word anyway ;)

I presume no-one markets douche-gelee in the USA then? Or if they do it might get misused ;)

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Re: "very serious charges"?

Yes, a breach of bail conditions that were imposed due to nothing more than unproven and extremely weak allegations of something that isn't even a "crime" in any other country, where the Swedish authorities had ample opportunity to question Assange to determine the validity of those accusations, both in Sweden and in the UK, but chose not to.

Then, having let Assange go, the Swedish authorities mysteriously found it urgently necessary to issue a European Arrest Warrant and have him extradited. But this had nothing to do with the US authorities. Honest.

The fact that this breach of bail conditions is a crime is therefore merely a circular defence of a greater injustice: imposing bail conditions on someone who has not even been charged with a crime in the first place, with the clandestine agenda of extraditing him to a country where he will be executed for the heinous "crime" of exposing US military atrocities and government corruption.

Perhaps that's the "very serious charge" you're alluding to.

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"Breach of bail conditions"

Circular argument much?

What you are essentially saying he is wanted for extradition for breaking bail over his extradition.

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Re: "Breach of bail conditions"

@Goat Jam

Exactly.

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Re: Talking of douches

that's British "and commonwealth troops". The "fat drunk" might have given Australia a different definition of 'retrench', but he was subsequently elected.

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Re: sovereignty only important for your country

Man the shills are getting lazy. How about a comment from Edentifier2 or Edentifer3? Hell, just start using id{1,2,3,4,5,6}

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