Nokia's WinPho 8 double date announced Nokia will unveil Windows 8 phones during its joint event with Microsoft this September, sources stating the bleedin' obvious revealed. The two handsets – codenamed Arrow and Phi – will form part of the firm's Lumia range, with the former joining the mid-range party and the latter succeeding the Lumia 800 and 900 as its …
Why on earth have you got yourself into such a state that you actually are cheering the possiblility that Nokia might go down the Swanee? What has the company done to you or yours that you feel impelled to log on and excrete that kind of steaming odoriferous rubbish? Just to give one example, my lady and I to not have a single item of Apple kit in the house - do you see me logging on here howling "Apple must die"? Get a life.
"What has the company done to you or yours that you feel impelled to log on and excrete that kind of steaming odoriferous rubbish?"
Made me redundant 5 years, wrecked my life, and that of my family, with no prospect of another job, other than cleaning work. Finland is drowning in newly-redundant, highly qualified (BSc/MSc/PhD) younger engineers. I'm 56, not a graduate, but was a Senior Specialist at NSN.
There. Fixed it for you.
"Why on earth have you got yourself into such a state that you actually are cheering the possiblility that Nokia might go down the Swanee? What has the company done to you or yours that you feel impelled to log on and excrete that kind of steaming odoriferous rubbish?"
How about that they teamed with Microsoft? Why should we expect Nokia to succeed when WP has been an utter failure from the start? The best thing that could happen to Nokia is bankruptcy so that Elop and the Microsoft deal are gone. WP brings no competition to to the market except for last place.
Why would you celebrate the end of a company (which you've hardly shown will happen)? Competition is good. If you (I am presuming) have an iPhone or Android device, then the better Windows Phone devices are the happier you should be as it provides stimulus for the companies that make your device to keep pushing forward.
Because he will have been proven to be RIGHT. On the INTERNET, no less!
I won't deny there's a certain amusement in watching Elop suffer for canning Symbian and Meego but Nokia were a really cool phone maker once upon a time and I do have fond memories of using my 9300, N95 and other exotic and inspired phone ideas. Black slabs will not save Nokia but they might make a rather stylish tombstone. =/
It's interesting - if and when Nokia does get bought out/go into administration, it will essentially have the same skilled engineers and designers as before, but, new management. Maybe the problem is the existing management, or an excess of same, or so.
It would be interesting to see what Nokia's brightest could achieve, were there a clearout of the stables, and some real business-heads (as are many company doctors brought in by administrators) take the reins.
I wouldn't want Microsoft to be the new owner as they simply wouldn't be as profit- and competition-oriented as someone who really is determined to make money.
Well having worked on Symbian since 99 I could have told you not to buy an N97. No GPU, poor specs all over, first touch UI, resitive touch screen, cheap plastic body, this device and all the S60 5th edition range was doomed from the start. My guess at the time was that Nokia did not want to give Symbian touch good hardware knowing the software was rubish anyway. Anyone with a bit of a clue never bought into 5th editon. Trouble is it precisely the time where mass market was going into smartphone and they sold lots of them because people had no clue and thought Nokia is a safe buy. Most will never forgive Nokia for this. I as an 'insider' waited until they came up with something half descent to replace my E90 and ended up with an E7. Just wished it came with the specs of the 701 and 808. Other than that it is a quite a good smartphone. Too late though they switch to WP. 701 and 808 are just great though.
"It must be said once more: Symbian was dying before Elop killed it."
It was? 2009 Nokia sold 100 million smartphones (mostly Symbian.) 2010 Nokia sold over 134 million smartphones (once again mostly Symbian.) Look at how many phones Apple sold in 2010; 40 million. If Nokia say a 34% which was a 34 million increase, Apple hardly gained overall. While Apple say huge market share gains, 34% that Nokia saw was far from a dying as you claim. There are many companies that see single digit growth in their sectors and they survive. Seeing 34% is highly respectable and shows huge growth.
How is Nokia doing with the Elop plan called WP? They are seeing their market share shrink and hardly any growth. They also had 50% of the German market, not they are around 3% in about 18 months.
I will say it again, Symbian was still growing, WP is still dying.
i think you have misread my post. im happy beacuse its almost over. Nokia are dead, they just dont know it yet. The sooner the pain stops, and the body is buried, the better.
and if anyone does read this, yes, ive replied to posts over a week old on a topical news website. i realise the chances of anyone of the above accusers reading it are nil.
> Note other manufacturers can also create WP8 phones
They _can_, but will they actually do so in the face of MS throwing money and advertising at Nokia and expecting the others to pay MS for the privilege ?
Others did make WP7 phones but when Nokia sold a million or two the market share did not rise, it just took sales from the others.
"They _can_, but will they actually do so in the face of MS throwing money and advertising at Nokia and expecting the others to pay MS for the privilege ?"
Yes. HTC have licenced Windows Phone 8 and should be releasing a couple of WP8 devices in October or November (release date not confirmed). Other manufacturers will be releasing them also, I have no doubt of it.
you mean a good dirty dozen like they used to have in their S60/Symbian days ? One "flagship" and some 25 satellites of odd colors, shapes and sizes ? And possibly fries with it ?
I'm not so sure that Nokia did itself a favor with that "variety" (rather, varieté).
Sometimes, less is more. Even if they're not going all the way to Fruitycorp-style product line clarity. The "dozens and dozens" Nokia still has in their S40 lines.
Microsoft's mobile offerings were quite successful thanks. They had about a third or more of the market until the iPhone effect kicked in.
The product is fine, it just needs more development and I'm sure WP8 will be a turning point. Firstly apps from Windows proper will be easily ported and secondly this will be the first chance for Nokia to develop a proper handset from scratch and make it themselves. The Lumia's were derived from existing handsets and made by a contractor.
Do you want less competition in the market? have you even used WP7.5? it is an extremely efficient OS for communication and social media. It's not a geek toy like Android and it's a lot more modern than iOS.
Awwww bless. You actually believe that...
Only metro apps will port easilly, and it's yet to be seen is anyone is actually stupid enough to want to use metro on the desktop.
I know onlt 4 or 5 people that have ever had Windows Phone/Windows Mobile/WindowsCE or whatever it's called this week, and 100% of them say it sucks beyond belief, barely usable, and all the while, all the others are WAY out in the distance now, laughing at Microsoft's feeble attempts at pretending they are relevant.
Possibly not, but that might beat the way Apple do it: give more headline features so that the upgraded iPhone will run like a dog afterwards and people have to downgrade. :)
As a WP7 user I would love the upgrade, but I'm not too worried. As long as any changes they make don't spoil the phone, I'm happy with any upgrade I get now. And at least we get the new UI as a minimum.
I have the Lumia 710. I don't feel particularly bothered by the lack of upgrade. I bought my device SIM-free for £160 and it will still do all the same things after Win8 is released as it does now. The loudest people on how unfair it is not to have an upgrade on these forums have typically been those who are anti-MS in the first place.
I don't need anyone to be angry on my behalf, thanks. I grew up in a time when phones weren't upgradeable and I don't see it as some human right that after having bought it, someone should come along for free and magically grant it the hardware it needs to run a newer OS that was released long after it was designed. I get security updates, etc. Sure, it's nice with other phones if you can install a future OS on it (and that this doesn't cause your legacy hardware to run like a dog, which often seems to be the case), but I knew what I was buying and I still like it.
I really don't think you can call the lack of a WP8 upgrade on older handsets a shafting. 8 makes far to many changes from 7 for it to work right, running next years OS on last years hardware spec has never been a winning idea - just look how many Androids have failed to adequately run ICS and the old iPhone models which have to be feature limited and still run like dogs.
Phones are appliances, designed to run the OS of *now" not to be upgradeable for infinite years, OS builds have to be balanced just right to offer maximum features without getting bogged down. I reckon WP7 users should be happy that Microsoft are backporting things to give them an upgrade rather than either offering an OS upgrade their handset wouldn't run properly or nothing at all.
It is an interesting point. So few people even 'upgrade' by downloading applications that it is mute as to whether any beyond 'geeks' give a monkeys whether they get win 7 or win 8. For me a phone is a phone, the iPhone is not appealing because I don't like the form factor, size, style or lack of keys. Unfortunately this old curmudgeon is somewhat at odds with what the manufacturers want to make (a touch screen is much cheaper with less parts, less manufacturing problems and more reliability).
... between el Reg's continual bashing of the Windows Phone and a herd of cows?
Answer: A herd of cows hasn't been milked to death yet.
Seriously, this is getting silly. It's already been announced that WP7 apps will run on WP8, and with most owners on contracts, it's not like WP7 will vanish overnight. As has already been pointed out, there are still plenty of older model iPhones/'droids out there that cannot offer the features of their more up-to-date counterparts, so - apart from the knee-jerk hate reaction - what's the difference between these and the WinPhone?
> WP7 apps will run on WP8
You miss the point completely there. The point is that WP8 apps, the ones that will be filling up the app store soon will not run on WP7 (OK some may be back ported).
If someone bought a WP7 phone a month or two ago on a 2 year contract then they have a dead end product that will be increasingly obsolete.
> plenty of older model iPhones/'droids
And what you fail to notice is that the 'older models' were bought years ago and have had a useful life during which they were, for the most part, updated.
WM6.5 was a dead end when WP7 was announced because nothing carried over. WP7 is a dead end because it cannot be upgraded (beyond some cosmetic updates to the UI). The question that should be asked is will this happen to WP8. Will WP9 be a complete redesign when TIFKAM (Metro) is rejected on Windows 8 and MS has to dump the whole thing and get back to a UI that will sell, leaving WP8 phones as another dead end with a falling market share ?
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