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Anonymous is claiming to have begun shutting down UK government websites in protest of the treatment of Julian Assange. At around 8pm UT, the UK Justice Department website went down under a distributed denial of service attack. About 40 minutes later the Department of Work and Pensions website was also taken offline. Both …

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Yawn.

Oooh, that really achieved a lot! Not. As one of my colleagues pointed out, the typical Anon groupie is just looking for something to froth about, and they even look a lot like David Samberg:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ&feature=plcp

Yeah, you're so not part of the system when not conforming becomes the trend du jour. Numpties!

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Please please please

Take down the HMRC site for a year.

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Re: Yawn.

I remember when being anon was all about the lulz. Modern anon is not a true anon. I was never really anon (was lurker), I perused the places and chuckled at the contents a good many times.

The thing about anon of old was its power was down to the fact that if you lived in the UK or USA you probably encountered an anon every single day, at work, school, living with you, etc. Which is where its amazing ability to analyse information came from. They didn't steal it, if you were a girl giving your dog a blow job and you turned up on an anon channel, then it's entirely possible someone else from your school was a member of anon and would provide your information to the hive. If you were in contact with more than a 100 people under 30 at least 1 would be anon or a lurker.

There was no higher purpose (except to protect cats) beyond the lulz, they shut down habbo for the lulz, they shutdown storm front for the lulz and they spammed Hal Turners site for the lulz. They wanted shoe on head or tits or gtfo. They'd announce you'd died on your facebook or myspace page. They spent the whole time trying to freak each other out, and a "raid" was like an anon day out. Landing on a site and using all that material built up from trolling each other to ruin a site for a few hours before returning to the pit.

I suppose anon went down hill during the whole "Hal Turner" episode, the first "live raid" and a fixation that they had a purpose. Before then anon believed itself an ocean of piss, and attempts to provoke anon was like pissing into an ocean of piss. They were not "your personal army" and had no interest in the greater issues of the world (except for cats) because, those were the everyday issues of normal life, and being anon was about being a troll. The only reasons to raid were a: they were bored, or b: they'd stolen some memes anon believed were theirs, c: another anon faction didn't want you too.

Now they have all kinds of causes, and official channels, and leadership they're anybodies personal army. Non of which is really anon.

le sigh.

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Re: Please please please

your employer needs that to pay you correctly.

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Re: Please please please

>Take down the HMRC site for a year.

No, please don't. I have a tax return to file. I don't see why I should be fined several thousand pounds just because some jack ass knobs want to prove a point.

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Re: Please please please

And if HMRC site was down you know full well the HMRC wouldn't accept it as an excuse for not entering your tax returns.

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Re: Yawn.

One should not be confusing /b/tards with Anons.

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DONT!!!!

They just sent me a tax rebate. In the form of a cheque. They're useless here in Finland. Now I gotta write to them, and give my BIC and accouunt number for...£30?

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Re: Yawn.

They didn't shut down habbo. They closed the pool. Even then, their skillz were lacking.

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Re: Yawn.

Yawn.

Seriously, what does Anon expect: "Oh No! Anon took down our websites! We better let Assange go to Ecuador!"

or,

"Those dicks took down our websites. Rush the Ecuadorian embassy".

Yawn, I say to Anon. Yawn.

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Re: Yawn.

Yeah, the best they could hope for would be that they'd (for some strange reason) decide to upload a zip file containing loads of emails from a larger country saying "bust his ass" by mistake. But no one would ever do anything that stupid from being DDoSed would they.

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Re: Yawn.

"Those dicks took down our websites. Rush the Ecuadorian embassy".

Or possibly....

"Someone's started a fire in the block of flats housing the Ecuadorian Embassy".

Julian could then choose between choose arrest followed by a trip to Sweden or being toasted.

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Re: Yawn.

Upvote for truth, downvote for 'le sigh'.

What do you think this is? Reddit?

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Can't be right.

"All this activity is unlikely to change the government's attitude..."

That can't be right. Every other government subjected to these fierce attacks by Anonymous has changed their policies, right?

Oh, wait...

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I'd have more sympathy for Assange if he fronted up and answered the sexual assault charges that have been levelled against him.

Claiming persecution and making a national cause celebre out of his attempts to evade the legal system still doesn't absolve him from having to address the allegations two women have made.

He may have a point about freedom of speech but what about the rule of law?

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What charges?

There are no charges levelled against him.

Two women shagged him, chatted about it and panicked that they'd copped a dose off him (condom split on one, the other had sex both with & without a condom). They went to the police to ask them to force Assange to take a HIV test. He is questioned & released.

Public prosecutor throws out any charges, but looney lawyer got involved (e.g. all men share responsibility for violence against women, so should be taxed extra to provide shelters for abused women) and it all shot off from there. Sweden refuses to question him in London (embassy or Scotland Yard).

Apparently (according to UK Supreme Court) Norwegian State Prosecutor is a 'judicial body', so why bother with defence & lawyers.

BTW, from what I've seen/read about Assange he's a twat. Wanted to answer questions too, but still a twat.

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Hmmm ...

looks like the charges were erm ... *cough* *cough* made up by TPTB ... *cough*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_JnOv1oItY "Sex Lies and Julian" 4Corners abc.au

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Re: Hmmm ...

*sorry mean't the non-charges...

Makes you wonder, international red notice terrorist arrest warrant, and no charges ... what could possibly be going on here them? Sounds a little like another Strauss-Kahn setup ...

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Re: What charges?

Agreed. Assange seems a twat, but the Swedish maneuvers smell mightily. He must be doing something right to get the US knickers so twisted. Anonymous? Childish.

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Re: What charges?

"There are no charges levelled against him."

There won't be formal charges yet. The Swedish system needs a statement from the suspect before charges are brought. As the Swedish authorities wish to do this in Sweden and Mr Assange is fighting extradition there hasn't been an opportunity to bring formal charges.

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Yawn - the deniers are out on force..

I admire the effort, it's just a real shame the facts get in the way.

There are laws, and there are facts. They make Assange a tw*t who is just a tad more creative at avoiding the consequences of his own actions, but still someone who has to answer for what he has done.

What's more, he also damages any remaining credibility Wikileaks has, and the attacks of UK government websites just serve to prove what a lawless bunch of oafs "Anonymous" has become (incidentally, those attacks also means that the normal, average man in the street cannot access them, but hey, compliments for at least no longer pretending this is for a *good* cause).

What we have, thanks to people like Assange, is anarchy. A bunch of unelected and uncontrollable fools who can be manipulated into supporting any kind of "cause" instead of working to correct the law through the usual democratic process so that it works. Heck no, because that would mean caring about others and actually doing something positive and inventive, instead of being an asocial t*sser sitting in a bedroom somewhere "sticking it" to the evil government, yet still oh so dependent on the welfare check (and abusing the computer resources of other people, let's not forget that part of the effort).

If want to fix things, FIX them. Throwing in windows is doing sod all to change things. Study to be a journalist, but be aware that that is hard. It's not equal to being a blogger - investigation is an art. Throwing a brick through a window isn't, any onanist can do that - and an electronic brick is even easier, because you don't even need to walk.

Let the downvotes begin, I don't care. I am sick to the teeth of people like Assange and his cronies. Dig me up the backdoor deals about the war on Saddam, and the real reasons for that war (AFAIK it's got something to do with his adoption of the Euro for energy and currency reserves), find out who pcoketed most in wars and economic downturns, DDoS the webistes from banks that do robo signing - that's at least somewhere contributing. But DDoS on a few gov websites for someone who doesn't even have the decency to get himself tested to set a few girls at ease (that refusals is the whole reason this escalated to a rape charge), that is so low from a personality point of view he's not even worth sitting on. And that's the guy that gets "defended",

Barf. Three times barf.

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Re: Hmmm ...

I watched the 4 corners show, linked. Pretty musch sums up the case. No need for tinfoil hats.

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Re: Yawn - the deniers are out on force..

@AC 21:48

Clearly that post was written without reference to (a) the four corners program (b) and of the legal documents or (c) any of the interviews with various participants. The transcripts from the swedish police demonstrate with absolute clarity that there is no case. This is with a very high degree of probablity a set up.

Your ignorant rant offers nothing new, and demonstrates quite a lot about you actually.

As for Assange, well, I too think he is a bit of a twat as well, but being a twat is not illegal.

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Re: Yawn - the deniers are out on force..

So, if there is nothing to worry about in Sweden, why hasn't he gone there? EU laws and extradition models prevent extradition to the US. The Four Corners video struck me as very biased. The statements of the defence lawyer have also been disproven in court - Assange damn well knew he was wanted when he left as that same lawyer had warned him (which he shouldn't have, but he thought he could get away with it until he faced detailed questioning himself and realised his phone records would give him away).

I can tell you one thing, though, Assange better wears a condom from now on (assuming he doesn't end up in jail enjoying a wholly different experience) - the next girls could give *him* STDs.

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The thing that is funny about this fear he has of being extradited from Sweden to the US. If they wanted to extradite him at this time it would actually be easier for the US to do it from the UK. If he was to be extradited from Sweden the US would need the permission of both Swedish and UK authorities because we extradited him from the UK in the first place. So the best way for the US to get him is actually from the UK.

Not only that the that, even if he ended up in Sweden and US requested extradition he's still covered by the EU and ECHR law as he is here so he could drag it on for years in the swedish courts like Gary McKinnon.

Finally, he should have been put on f**king remand, the man is a classic case for flight risk, did no one not see this coming. The man has constantly moved from country to country has no ties anywhere, he should have been stuck on remand pending extradition.

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Re: Four Corners

If you are so keen to refer to the Four Corners interview I would suggest that your edited version is *seriously* biased because it focuses on one side.

Here is an example of missing bits: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVDCe0Y0Tq4. Notice that this solicitor refuses to answer the many leading questions, and provides the facts as they stand. He strikes me as someone who is less playing to an agenda than practically everyone else in the program and gives very considered answers - which rather punctures the BS Assange (& co) has been spouted.

This guy is fairly direct.

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Re: Yawn - the deniers are out on force..

"...Assange better wears a condom from now on..."

Until the news today I didn't realise Assange was married and had kids. Why isn't Australia trying to extridite him so his wife can drag him through the divorce courts? Adultary is an automatic "irritrevable breakdown" clause in any divorce law.

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Re: Strauss-Kahn setup

What's a Strauss-Kahn setup? A hotel room with hot and cold running prostitutes?

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Re: Yawn - the deniers are out on force..

Clearly that post was written without reference to (a) the four corners program

It was on TeeeVeee? If it was on TeeeVeee that's it, the TeeeVeee is never wrong, just like the papers.

Asshole.

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Re: Yawn - the deniers are out on force..

You may wish to review the court documents here

http://justice4assange.com/Supreme-Court-Appeal,65.html

Specifically, the agreed facts here http://www.scribd.com/doc/80912442/Agreed-Facts-Assange-Case

4 corners is quite well respected in Australia, and in any case, the TV show referenced the necessary documents which formed part of the basis for their chronology. Go read them for yourself, assuming you can read.

Moron

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Re: Yawn - the deniers are out on force..

Justiceforassange.com

they'd never have a biased view would they?

\ sarc \

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Re: about this fear he has of being extradited from Sweden to the US

extradition is not the only method the US has previously used to remove people from Swedish soil and dump them somewhere else in the world, and Italy has an arrest warrant out for a number of US government employees for Kidnap carried out on Italian soil. Which surprise, the US is refusing to send them to back to where the evidence is.

The potential for Swedish politicians ending up in the ICC may also have something to do with how they are handling the allegations against Assange, and it is a safe assumption some of our former Home Sectaries have the same concerns.

The whole thing has a distinct odor to it

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Re: Hmmm ...

"Makes you wonder, international red notice terrorist arrest warrant, and no charges ... what could possibly be going on here them?"

"red notice" makes it sounds dramatic, but it's what/how a wanted person is described. Thousands are issued each year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_notice#Notice_types

"no charges" is also misleading - an arrest warrant is out for Assange (though Assange apologists are quick to over look this and say it is merely some questions that could be done anywhere). Charges can only be laid by Sweden after he has been arrested, pretty much how it works in this country too. If you doubt this, may I suggest reading the High Court judgement?

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/2849.html

A very good summary of the myths perpetually spun by Assange can be found at the New Statesman ( http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/five-legal-myths-about-assange-extradition )

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Re: Yawn - the deniers are out on force..

"......so his wife can drag him through the divorce courts?....." She's probably happy to be shot of him. Who'd want to put their kids through that type of media circus? She'll probably divorce him quietly in the background, the only fun will be if the press get their hands on the settlement terms and get a real view of how much A$$nut is rooking his Faithful for each year.

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Is Anonymous is beginning to behave like a church?!

Hmmmm. Faith-based believers that project a set of values beyond set social order. It makes the French tee-shirt activity look like an activity that they sponsored to ensure that their trademark is legally held by an entity that they control. These are quite unusual fellows!

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Re: Is Anonymous is beginning to behave like a church?!

I have an acquaintance who proudly proclaims to be be part of Anonymous and takes part in the DDOSes; and if they are all like him It's like a church all right - a fundamentalist evangelical church, where they speak in tongues, handle snakes, do faith healing and exorcisms.

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Re: Is Anonymous is beginning to behave like a church?!

Surely if your acquaintance proclaims membership of Anonymous then he is longer so?

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Re: Is Anonymous is beginning to behave like a church?!

Yeah, he wasn't amused when I said something along those lines. No sense of humour, that guy.

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So fucking what...

see title.

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Re: So fucking what...

Praise be to the Anti-Nowhere League!

ah 1 and ah 2 and ah 1, 2, 3, 4

I've been to Brighton, I've been to Hastings, I've been to Eastbourne too...

Beautiful hymn.

Fair stirs the soul.

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How useful

Why not go for the guys who DDoSed Wikileaks instead?

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As ye sow, so shall ye reap

More Anon members to do the perp walk soon. Is hacking or a DDoS worth going to prison for? The young and the dumb are being duped by Assange, who will also go to prison eventually.

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Re: As ye sow, so shall ye reap

"More Anon members to do the perp walk soon. Is hacking or a DDoS worth going to prison for? The young and the dumb are being duped by Assange, who will also go to prison eventually."

"Did you exchange a walk-on part in a war for a lead role in a cage?" (Wish you were here, Pink Floyd)

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Why don't Anonymous all dress up as fake Assange's and mill around the front door of the Ecuador Embassy.

Like Iraqi's did for Sadam.

Like Zemblans did for King Karl in Nabokov's Pale Fire

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Allowing him to get away like Assange pi Britannia.

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Dressing up as Assange might mean ALL get arrested. Sounds like a plan. Yes, please do.

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Poor

The only thing anonymous are proving is that they're not clever enough to carry out the sort of attack that might actually cause any real damage - like stealing sensitive data from those departments they're targeting.

OK so they've hacked an online gaming service and a couple of backwater police departments, but is anyone actually feeling like the group is a threat to properly funded governments? No. They're nothing more than a bunch of spotty nerds with cock-rot, seeking attention from anyone who'll listen.

It's unfathomably pathetic, to be honest. But then so is Julian Assange.

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Agreed. Assange is doing nothing but destroy any last influence that the world thought he had. As for Anonymous - it's quite difficult to see what taking down webpages is actually going to achieve. Idiots.

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Re: Poor

If they went for sensitive government information in that way, how soon until MI5 and MI6 get involved? MI5 would track down the people in the UK using the tool and arrest them under anti-terror laws, MI6 would work with foreign governments and also accuse them of terror related activities to get them over here.

I have no interest in the tool but did they actually manage to change it now so it hides your IP address totally and utterly? If they don't then anyone in the UK that used that tool for DDOS purposes against .gov.uk may quite soon find their criminal record will alter slightly, then cue #AnonOps demanding more DDOS in defence of their innocent brothers who are being persecuted.....

It's a never ending circle! I'm going Anon in this post too because almost everyone else is and I'm feeling left out.

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Assange's influence stems not from what he says or does, but the documents he releases.

He released video footage of US troops committing war crimes - gunning down civilians and journalists, and from the sounds of it they having a jolly good time doing it too. He has no influence as a person, the contents of the leaks speak for themselves.

Rather than take action against those that committed war crimes, the US prefers instead to target someone who published evidence of the war crimes. Of course Fox news et al have also done the same - published the material having obtained it.

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