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Microsoft reveals Windows RT PC partners Dell, Lenovo, Samsung and ASUS ARMed for “RT PCs” Microsoft has revealed the full roster of Windows RT PC OEMs, and detailed more about the future products' users interfaces. The details were revealed in a blog post, as is the case for many such announcements in these socially-oriented …

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where do updates come from?

Will OS updates come from MS or will they come from the OEMs? Just thinking of the Android world where many complain about how most models don't get updated fast enough and often is because of drivers and hardware and stuff.

Is RT standardized enough that patches/upgrades can be applied generically?

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Re: where do updates come from?

I don't think manufacturers will be bolting on their own interface, like they do with Android. Also, no mobile network crap. I expect the relationship between MS, OEMs and users will be much more like it is for regular PCs.

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@Nate

Who cares...

As long as you paid your fee's to $anti_virus_vendor_we_love_and_respect all will be safe with your Windows.

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Re: @Nate

Windows 8 comes with anti-virus built in. No need for Norton or McAfee (*shudder*) who sneak onto practically any new system you buy. Last time I removed McAfee for someone, I actually had to download a special program buried in the depths of their website to uninstall it, as the regular Windows uninstall process wouldn't work.

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Apple 2?

Sounds like it might be like Apple MK2. Buy the hardware and the OS comes with it and it is not available anywhere for retail sale. At least that's the way I read it.

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I'm worried

I looked at the fingering pics and am now unsure if Apple will take my fingers away or at least have them ordered not to swipe surfaces.

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Re: Apple 2?

Windows 7 Starter is already like this - AFAIK you can't buy it on its own. Whilst things will perhaps become more significant as it rules out building say an ARM desktop, it's not closed in the Apple sense (where you can only buy hardware from Apple), and since this is targetted at ultra-portable/netbook/tablet type machines, it doesn't seem to me a problem that you can't buy it separately.

The bigger concern as far as being closed like Apple is the idea that WinRT only runs Metro applications (except for Office), and if these can only be distributed via Microsoft's site.

I do wonder if WinRT PCs will end up replacing current x86 netbooks, in the sense of being low cost portable PCs. On the one hand, it seems a good thing to improve netbooks with touchscreens, make them even lighter, and give them even better battery life, and perhaps ARM is more suited to that than Intel Atom. On the other hand, I like having x86 compatibility in a netbook, and would still want to be able to run windowed applications rather than just Metro. So it would be a shame if the options for x86 low cost ultra-portables/netbooks dries up, meaning our only option is to spend far more on the high end ultra-portables. If MS don't have a low cost "Starter" version of Windows x86, and instead only do for Windows RT, then that will make it even more likely this change happens...

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Given the lockdown required by redmond to ship with this...

... I think I'll pass, thanks. Call me a stick-in-the-mud if you wish, but I do prefer to stick in mud of my own free will, not because someone else says so, thanks.

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Re: Given the lockdown required by redmond to ship with this...

I agree with you, but I have a sneaking feeling that appliance based PCs might be quite popular with a lot of people.

Any ideas if the PC form factor can support the Citrix ICA client?

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Re: Given the lockdown required by redmond to ship with this...

Not yet, you would have to ask Citrix kindly so they release an ICA client for Windows RT, same time next year, maybe.

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Re: Given the lockdown required by redmond to ship with this...

Do you really think Citrix aren't already working on this?

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Looks like the TF Infinity

Looks like the TF infinity - which is a great bit of kit - but Win RT'd.

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Re: Looks like the TF Infinity

That's because the that's what Microsoft built it on.

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Re: Looks like the TF Infinity

It does, and it is... But can I install RT on my current infinity???

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Re: Looks like the TF Infinity

"It does, and it is... But can I install RT on my current infinity???"

Looks highly unlikely. From their blog post:

"Windows RT software will not be sold or distributed independent of a new Windows RT PC, just as you would expect from a consumer electronics device that relies on unique and integrated pairings of hardware and software."

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Re: Looks like the TF Infinity

What I was expecting... No really biggie, but it would have been nice to try :)

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Yawn

The usual suspects then...

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Re: "Yawn" You are clearly horribly dissapointed that Acer is not on the list.

See title.

AF.

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Re: "Yawn" You are clearly horribly dissapointed that Acer is not on the list.

grin.

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They've slavishly copied the iPad.

There. It's been said. And I beat Apple to it.

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Re: Slavish Copy

No kidding. Microsoft has been trying very hard to make Steven Sinofsky look/act like Steve Jobs.

Even the Surface announcement press conference shamelessly copied Apple to the tiniest detail.

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"They've slavishly copied the iPad."

Because it has rounded corners? ;)

Not sure if you're joking - probably are. But just in case, exactly what format would you expect a touch-screen interface that you want to be easily held in the hand to be? Normal screen-sized? Obvious. Thin and light? Obvious.

So is a thin, rectangular device supposed to be some strikingly unexpected design revolution that anyone who uses it must be "slavishly copying" Apple from? Does anyeone expect Asus to start manufacturing triangular devices now? I hope you're not a jury member on the Apple v. Samsung trial! ;)

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Re: Slavish Copy

"Even the Surface announcement press conference shamelessly copied Apple to the tiniest detail."

People have been standing on stages holding products up for the press since before Apple. Just so you know.

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Triangular. I expect all future tablets to be triangles, with razor sharp corners.

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Re: Slavish Copy

"Even the Surface announcement press conference shamelessly copied Apple to the tiniest detail."

The worst bit of copying is shown in the diagrams of how to use gestures ... they've clearly copied Apple in designing a product for 5-fingered people - where's the innovation there?

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Re: Slavish Copy

Did apple not copy star trek though? They have rounded corners and 'pads' the same sort of size. Or even Firefly, they had quite big pads which were used with finger swiping?

Surprised the "Gene Roddenberry"* foundation has not got involved in the suing slang match....

*made up. Possibly.

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Er, that gesture graphic...

...it looks like a guide to entertaining ladies.

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Re: Er, that gesture graphic...

On our Thinkpads we used to call the rubber mouse in the middle of the keyboard button the "Clito", so your gesture comments are spot on......

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Re: Er, that gesture graphic...

Oh I thought they were nipples....

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Re: Er, that gesture graphic...

Those nubs have always been called clitorises. It's the common name for them in the UK in my experience.

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Re: Er, that gesture graphic...

The problem is they've forgotten the key gesture that many people will give Win RT, namely the one finger salute (or possibly the two finger one, if you're being historic).

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Re: Er, that gesture graphic...

"The problem is they've forgotten the key gesture that many people will give Win RT, namely the one finger salute (or possibly the two finger one, if you're being historic)."

I think you'll need the Kinnect for that.

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Re: Er, that gesture graphic... unknown object

When the little red nub thing first arrived I said it looked like a clitoris -- much to the puzzlement of many males.

They seemed to be unaware that if you wiggled one of these things then other people might get excited.

Some of them seemed a bit reluctant to use it after that as a mouse is bigger and fills the hand.

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Re: Er, that gesture graphic... unknown object

"much to the puzzlement of many males."

Now that I belive. *sigh*

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Re: Er, that gesture graphic... unknown object

Well they were IT people presumably, they'd probably never gotten near one.

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Re: Er, that gesture graphic...

Nipples to all my mates.

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Mark my words: these won't sell

Expect lots of furious customers wanting a refund because these machines don't run their normal Windows programs and games.

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Re:"Expect lots of furious customers........."

Only customers buying from retailers who are themselves too stupid to drill into their sales people that they must make sure that they explain to the customer that those tablets (Win RT) only run apps from MS' app store (something you can after all articulate in one sentence). Retailers who fail in something so basic can expect and will thoroughly deserve a large amount of earache from their punters because it will be them the customers come back to in the first instance.

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Re: Expect lots of furious customers........."

That's PC World knackered then.

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Re: Expect lots of furious customers........."

I imagine there'll be a significant proportion who won't really understand that no matter how many times its repeated to them. You know, the "I want a Google" crowd

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Re: Expect lots of furious customers........."

Considering at my local PC world I heard a sales rep trying to explain that "The i3 has 3 cores, the i5 has 5 cores and the i7 has 7 cores."

oh and

"You want a laptop for your uni work? You'll want the i7 then, it's really the only one powerful enough to run multiple applications at once like you'll need."

And not forgetting

"You want to use it to play games? The integrated graphics should be enough because it has more RAM."

(there were two laptops, one with dedicated nvidia and one with the intel onboard graphics. The intel one was more expensive because it had 8gb of RAM rather than 6)

And yes I did memorize these and other stupid things I've heard from sales reps at PC world. I find their stupidity makes me feel smarter, and generally I go to the customer after the guy has left and tell them he was talking out of his ass... I'm not all bad.

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Re: Expect lots of furious customers........."

""I want a Google" crowd"

Just slap a 'Google' sticker on the case and they'll be happy - it's does internet 'cos it's got Google built in.

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Re: "That's PC World knackered then"

We can always hope!

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Re: Mark my words: these won't sell

eeh, you meant it doesn't run their usaul iPad apps... ;-)

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Re: Expect lots of furious customers........."

The "I want a Google" crowd are probably better off with a more locked down system that has their email, browser, Office setup for them, along with the usual Facebook integration and whathaveyou. These will do what 90% of that demographic want, I expect. Those of us who need more will be informed enough to know the difference between a machine running full Windows 8 and a "RT PC" as these are being called.

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Google will be there

They just need to ship chrome for it. Once it is running, win will be just a shell.

Why did they get into panic mode once Netscape started to show a mature browser? They could just postpone the nightmare.

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Re: Mark my words: these won't sell

It will be indeed interesting to see how things go. Remember how when netbooks first appeared, with the revolutionary Asus Eee PC - to begin with, it seemed like Linux was way ahead. The argument was that most people don't need x86 compatibility if they just want a low cost machine for email and web. But still, my understanding is that there was consumer confusion, and when Windows 7 Starter came out, pretty much all netbook manufacturers switched over to Windows.

But I fear that MS may be shooting themselves in the foot if they make a switch from x86. It shouldn't be a problem if there's still a choice for x86 at the low end (in which case, they could let the market decide), but as I say in my comment above, I worry that the choice for x86 netbooks will dry up. Microsoft's strongest advantage is x86 compatibility, and a windowed desktop environment, especially when we're talking about laptops/netbooks/hybrids rather than pure tablets. But most people don't want to spend hundreds of pounds extra for the high end ultra-portables.

I guess that's the question - what are OEMs planning for Windows 8 x86? The Surface Pro looks cool, but what will be available at lower prices?

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Re: Expect lots of furious customers........."

They always seem to grill me on anti-virus. The first time, he wouldn't believe me when I said I planned to install a freely available anti-virus, claiming that such a thing didn't exist, and that I had to buy Norton that they were offering. The second time with my Samsung netbook, he was willing to believe that such things exist, but still seemed to want a promise from me that I would do so, since I wasn't buying Norton. (Well okay, I guess encouraging anti-virus is a good thing, but if they were that concerned, they should just tell people about the free options from the start.)

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Officially baffled...

Look MS, all I want is a surface tablet that I can do my regular WIN stuff on + skype on a train without dragging assorted guff around with me. What I don't want is a sawn in half laptop and having to decide what version of windows to get on it. Tablets are a consumer product where you >>>MS<<< can stuff the competition by allowing the user to do work stuff on it too. But what do we get, a morass of hardware and software and the user/consumer will just go "whatever..., I'll just get a shiny. It doesn't confuse me."

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Re: Officially baffled...

What train do you get that has a decent enough connection for Skype?

Anyway, MS is looking at making Skype work in the browser.

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