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Nokia's back-room clear out continues with the Qt platform being sold to Finnish firm Digia Oyj for an undisclosed sum. As part of the deal 125 engineers will swap employers. Digia was a licensee of Qt, distributing commercial and freeware versions of the platform and development tools, but now it owns the whole shebang. Qt was …

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Excellent news!

This should increase QT's life expectancy quite a bit

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I guess qt passed the ultimate hardcore benchmark, being owned by Nokia idiots and not dying.

I am not being sarcastic or joking, I was a Nokia/ symbian user just until last year.

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At least it's not Accenture

So I reckon Qt will fare rather better than Symbian – i.e. it can still hope for a future.

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Used their stuff on Sony Ericsson p1i

In weird times, 3 different, state of art browsers shipped for SE P1 symbian uiq right after it was pronounced dead by Sony.

One of them was Digia @web browser and I have used it. They really know how to code for sure.

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Re: At least it's not Accenture

Symbian is still owned by Nokkers, Symbian maintainence is carried out by Accenture

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Re: At least it's not Accenture

Symbian is still owned by Nokkers, Symbian maintainence is carried out by Accenture

And that makes things better because...?

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Re: At least it's not Accenture

> Symbian is still owned by Nokkers, Symbian maintainence is carried out by Accenture

Yeah, Stevie Wonder is driving and Chales Manson is co-pilot. Yeeeeeahaaaa!

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The ex-MS-beancounter Trojan Horse is doing its hitjob...

...and driving Nokia into the ground, only to provide Microsoft a state-of-the-art hardware division and global distribution channel for next to nothing by 2014 (coincidentally also killing off the last chance for a competitive non-US mobile platform - no, BBX will never succeed, unfortunately.)

Ironically the 'ejection' of Qt is actually *great* news: they are not tied to this self-immolating, self-destructing giant anymore - anything is better than certain death....

...stupid, stupid, Nokia board - they will go down in history as one of the most clueless one (right next to HP's lawyer-board, of course.)

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Re: The ex-MS-beancounter Trojan Horse is doing its hitjob...

"...stupid, stupid, Nokia board - they will go down in history as one of the most clueless one (right next to HP's lawyer-board, of course.)"

The board members are elected by the share holders. The overwhelming majority of them (share holders) are major investors in MS. The board members are in on it too.

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Re: The ex-MS-beancounter Trojan Horse is doing its hitjob...

Why stupid? They ditched that dead and dying MeGo and Symbian crap and went for the best mobile platform that there is before any one else large got a look in. Great tactical move. And in only a few months WP sales have doubled - largely thanks to Nokia.

Windows Phone already sells 20% of the volume of the iphone and are growing rapidly - not bad for a new OS when everyone is also waiting for WP and the new Nokia handsets to be annouced on the 5th September.....

http://betanews.com/2012/08/03/android-leads-ios-follows-windows-phone-shows-surprising-growth/

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> They ditched that dead and dying MeGo and Symbian crap

The only reason those are dying is because they were ditched. In particular the N9 was still outselling Nokia WP7 even when it was not promoted and only available in certain countries.

> the best mobile platform that there is

A platform that is now dead, just like WM6.x was previously. No WP7 phone will get WP8. WP8 is yet another new platform running on different hardware and using different development, just like WM6 was killed by WP7.

> before any one else large got a look in.

HTC, Samsung, LG, etc. In what way are these not 'large'. They were selling WP7 before Elop went to Nokia.

> Windows Phone already sells 20% of the volume of the iphone

I did notice that the announcement it claimed:

"in the second quarter, the company doubled the sales of Lumia smarpthones, from 2 million in first quarter to 4 million".

That looks like weasel words to me. is that 4m in q2 or 4m total of q1 + q2 ? It is also likely that these sales came at the expense of the other WP7 makers.

> not bad for a new OS

WP7 isn't 'new', it has been around 2 years and is now dead.

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>A platform that is now dead, just like WM6.x was previously. No WP7 phone will get WP8. WP8 is yet another >new platform running on different hardware and using different development, just like WM6 was killed by WP7.

Dead? it may have a low market share but that doesn't make it dead. Linux has a tiny desktop marketshare but that doesn't make it dead either.

Windows Mobile had huge smartphone marketshare at one point. The only reason Android does so well is the business model. Free unless you need Google's apps.

The original poster is quite right in that it is probably the most original and decent mobile platform. Android is a knock off of iOS (okay, it's been developed a lot more since then) and iOS is a sort of PalmOS for the 2000s.

Most people are highly critical of what they haven't used. You can't judge WP7 purely on screenshots and videos. You have to use it and I bought a 2nd hand Lumia 800 to give it a go. It beats iOS in speed and the way it integrates social media and all your information into one stream. I prefer it's visual style too, iOS looks a bit tired now.

It's not all good of course, having an iPhone lets you buy dock alarm clocks and pipe music wirelessly very easily. But I still have an old iPad for that.

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>> A platform that is now dead, just like WM6.x was previously. No WP7 phone will get WP8. WP8 is yet another >new platform running on different hardware and using different development, just like WM6 was killed by WP7.

> Dead? it may have a low market share but that doesn't make it dead.

It is not its market share that makes it dead, but the disjoint between WP7 and the replacement WP8. WM6.x was killed when it was replaced by WP7 with no ability to update devices from one to the other. In that case it wasn't even possible to transfer apps or development.

WP7 devices will not be updated to WP8. While most WP7 apps will be able to be ported to WP8 (apparently a conversion or recompile is required) it seems that development for WP8 will not run on WP7.

THAT is what makes WP7 a dead-end.

> Windows Mobile had huge smartphone marketshare at one point.

And WP7 made WM a dead-end. Some sales continued after WP7 was released but that seemed to be corporates who had WM apps that were stuck on a dead-end system.

> The only reason Android does so well is the business model.

No. The reason it does so well is that users buy it. Whether it is free to the maker or not is almost irrelevant, a few dollars difference in cost.

> I bought a 2nd hand Lumia 800

2nd hand ? already ? Why did the original user want to dump it ? To buy an Android Phone ?

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Re: The ex-MS-beancounter Trojan Horse is doing its hitjob...

I still refuse to get a WinPho device. No XBox Live and Zune in Malaysia, and the store is still extremely restricted, meaning that a WinPho device only has basic phone functions- and at it's price, even one of those cheap no brand Chinaphones is much more desirable.

Even the fruity toy maker has launched Music and Movie store support last month, and Sony has launched the PSN store over two years ago, and the chocolate factory has Google Play music and movies since their launch. And MS has still not made a move.

I was told that MS still thinks that Malaysia has lousy broadband connections. 20Mbps not good enough for you then MS? Your funeral.

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QT has come a long way.

I remember in its early days it was a bit flacky, but nowadays it is very good. Although I can understand if you are not using the framework yourself anymore, because you went full DotNet that maintaining an open source C++ gui framework with a hunderd developers that will not generate any revenue doesn't make much sense, financially speaking. But strategically it might be a poor choice to sell it off.. Time will tell.

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"Dead and dying MeGo [sic] and Symbian crap"?

Your comment implies that Nokia ditched MeeGo because it was dying, whereas the truth is that they buried two innovative and commercially successful/viable platforms, then killed them. If Harmattan had been given the promotion that Nokia's WP mess has been given, there's no telling what could have been achieved. I think you know how disingenuous your comment is.

Further, your link (http://betanews.com/2012/08/03/android-leads-ios-follows-windows-phone-shows-surprising-growth/) talks about WP shipments, not sales. If I'm willing to waste enough money, I can ship any amount of anything to anyone anywhere; doesn't mean much, though. Shame that consumers aren't really biting, even with the massive discounting on Nokia Lumia.

Your homework: which sold more in the 3 months on the market: the wildly over-promoted Lumia, or the buried-before-during-and-after-release N9, which wasn't even released in many countries?

Note: "sold" here takes its traditional meaning, i.e. "a consumer voluntarily handed over their cash in return for taking the device away and using it", not s"some marketing budget got moved around, some incentives were given, some lies were told and someone blogged about the whole process".

No rush. I think you know the answer, but go ahead and post more fail if you've got nothing better to do.

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"post more fail if you've got nothing better to do."

He hasn't - he's been posting cr*p like this all over The Reg recently (and being downvoted like no-one I've ever seen)

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Re: @RICHTO

@Chemist: Yes, he (probably wrongly, but that's besides the point) said something positive about MS/WP/Nokia. You don't get away with that shit here any more, without an avalanche of downvotes. Pathetic really.

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"You don't get away with that shit here any more, without an avalanche of downvotes"

You've obviously not read the reams of similar garbage he's put out in the last month or so - troll or fool who knows ?

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I downvoted RICHTO for his total mischaracterisation of what really happened with MeeGo & Symbian, no for "saying something positive about MS/WP/Nokia", and I'll wager others have done the same as I have. Nice straw man.

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Re: @AC 16:28 (prob RICHTO posting Anon) @RICHTO

The usual M.O. is to make a snide comment about one of MS's competitors, followed by a load of B.S. telling us how good MS products are. Even more pathetic IMHO.

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Re: @RICHTO

'Shipments into the channel' means that some vendor agreed to pay for them. Mobile phones are not on Sale or Return... So whilst your pedantry is a nice try, it is also a fail. If this were the first quarter they were on sale it might be a small consideration for vendors to hold stock, but as WP is already in the channel, these are mostly to replace new sales.

Who cares how much of it is subsidised by marketing budget, Microsoft can afford it. It's still nothing like the iPhone which seems to have an advert on the TV every 5 minutes...And Apple iphone carriers have to subsidise the product so much they often make a loss!

WP is a better product than the competition and Microsoft will have to spend more money to advertise that fact. imo they are not advertising it anything like enough. Maybe that will change with the launch of WP8 and the technology lead the competition gets even bigger...After all, almost every day i read about another Apple or Android root exploit or another piece of Android or IOS Malware. Unlike on Windows Phone, which has 1 known non critical issue across all platform versions.

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Re: @RICHTO

Yes, and had I purchased a Nokia WP Lumia, how do you think I would feel about Balmer instantly bricking it by not allowing an upgrade to WP 8? What a POS phone! Who would ever want another after this experience?

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Don't be hysterical. If I had the misfortune to own a Nokia Lumia, it would still be perfectly functional. Not allowing updates to WinPho8 is stupid, but I have not heard of any being "bricked" or even remotely disabled as a result.

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You can run WP7.8 which gives you pretty much everything from WP8 that you have the hardware for!

WP is still better than Android in this respect with many handsets neveer gettign any upgrades - versus Microsoft which ensure that all updates that apply are available for all handsets from all carriers...

And older IOS devices cant be upgrade to the latest OS either!

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> WP is a better product than the competition

WP7 is dead. 7.8 may add some more prettiness to the home screen, but it is a dead product. Those vendors that have taken shipments prior to MS's announcements will be stuck with them and will not order more, so Q3 sales are likely to take a dive.

WP8 has not yet been seen. It is a new, untried, product on new, untried, hardware.

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WP7 is no more dead than Windows 7. Every one knows a new version is coming but it will still sell.

the same is true of Android 3x or IOS 4.x

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> WP7 is no more dead than Windows 7. Every one knows a new version is coming but it will still sell.

Your comparison is as flawed as everything else you say.

Windows 7 PCs will be able to be install Windows 8 if anyone would want to do that. In fact many new W7 PCs will get the new version for free.

WP7 devices are a dead end , they will never get WP8. In fact it is because the new version is coming, with no chance of getting an update, that few people wouldl buy a dead end WP7 phone (unless it is remaindered at below cost).

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> You can run WP7.8 which gives you pretty much everything from WP8 that you have the hardware for!

The only thing that is claimed for WP7.8 is some minor update to the home screen, such as different sizes for the tiles and some additional colours.

This will bring the appearance in line with 'the UI previously known as Metro', but is far short of 'pretty much everything'.

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Can't be long now

Until Nokia finally die. Thanks Microsoft. Thanks for nothing...

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Microsoft won't let Nokia die. Far too big an investment involved. Microsoft want to own the smartphone market again like they used to.

Windows 8 is going to drive a lot of sales. The same interface will be on 60 million Xboxes, ~300 million Windows PCs, and various tablets and phones and consumers will quickly be familiar with it. Especially in the corporate sector - enteprises have been waiting for something secure to be available as alternative to the dying Blackberry...

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> the dying Blackberry

In Q2 Blackberry (12.5m), the "dying" Symbian (6.4m) and Bada all outsold WP7 (5.1m). And that is the end of the line for WP7.

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Re: Can't be long now

You really are delusional. When exactly did MS own the smarketphone market?

wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Wide_Smartphone_Sales_Share.png

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"Microsoft won't let Nokia die. "

It's not their call.

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RICHTO == BARKTO

I'm wondering whether the Microsoft fanboi "RICHTO" is actually Steve Barkto. You know who that is.

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Re: Can't be long now

WP sales increased ~ 278% - hardly the end of the line.

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http://www.bgr.com/2011/12/13/apple-and-google-dominate-smartphone-space-while-other-vendors-scramble/

Microsoft had 42% Marketshare in 2007, and 37% in 2006.

"Microsoft’s former smartphone operating system, Windows Mobile, peaked at 50 percent of smartphone sales in Q2 2007"

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> WP sales increased ~ 278% - hardly the end of the line.

We can add basic maths to the subjects that you are clueless about.

> hardly the end of the line.

No WP7 hardware will run WP8 and thus will cease being produced. It is the end of that line.

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Re: Can't be long now

The numbers are quoted from the link provided - cant you read?

Your conclusion does not follow. I will still be able to buy Windows 7 PCs for at least a while after Windows 8 has launched - and the same will be true of WP7. Just like it is for the iphone 4 / 4S, and the many Android phones that dont run the latest OS version....

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Re: Can't be long now

In the US - hardly the smartphone capital of the world back then...

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RICHTO: "Microsoft won't let Nokia die. Far too big an investment involved"

Au contraire, press reports suggest MS bunged Nokia a billion dollars. Let's assume that there's three times that amount in ongoing and implict support, total four billion. If they had to write the lot off that''s still fifty percent less than the write off when the Clowns of Redmond (tm) "invested" in Aquantive, which they bought for $6.3bn, and four scant years later they wrote off $6.2bn. Good strategic vision, deal making, and execution there, wouldn't you say?

So abandoning Nokia would be small change for MS. But I don't thnk MS will, simply because they believe there's too much at stake in mobile, and they'll play it until the end. My expectation is that WP8 will continue as a third "ecosystem", but as with hardware, only the top two in the market will make a profit. MS persevered with the Xbox, which in net terms hasn't been very profitable, and I think WP8 will be a repeat of that scenario.

If it starts to look like (a) phones remain essentially phones with a few extras, rather than (b) phones as the centrepiece of a digital life, then WP will get canned - but MS are currently betting big on the latter. I wouldn't be at all surprised for MS to buy ARM as a defensive stake in the REAL hardware design, although given the dismal incompetence of US companies taking over UK ones, that'd be another failure in the making....

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> I will still be able to buy Windows 7 PCs for at least a while after Windows 8 has launched - and the same will be true of WP7.

Of course there will still be Win7 PCs. As I said these will be able to move to Windows 8, and probably 9, and will likely come with a free voucher for Windows 8. There is no disincentive for the PC.

Win a WP7 phone though, it will _NOT_ get updated to WP8. There will be a WP7.8 with minor changes to the appearance. Anyone buying a WP7 phone should be told it is a complete dead end. You should also know that WP7 will not run on hardware designed for WP8, the two sets of specs are entirely incompatible.

It may well be that WP7 phones will be available to buy for many years to come, increasingly in the bargain bins. While it may be true that Nokia 'sold' so many million into the channel in Q2 you can be sure that they won't be taking any more WP7 phones and will at least await WP8 so Q3 sales will almost none and Q4 may show some as production ramps up.

> Just like it is for the iphone 4 / 4S,

Actually Apple are usually good with iOS updates.

> and the many Android phones that dont run the latest OS version....

Even old versions of Android run most of the latest apps.

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> increasingly in the bargain bins

Just yesterday I saw an add for PAYG Nokia 610 with 45% off.

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I wouldn't be at all surprised for MS to buy ARM as a defensive stake in the REAL hardware design, although given the dismal incompetence of US companies taking over UK ones, that'd be another failure in the making....

Please <diety of choice>, no, not that, ever, please pray that ARM remain the successful independant company they are now.

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Everything that is OUT of Nokia has a better chance of survival. And the people at Jolla are also very positive about this. Did I mention lately how utterly awesome the N9 is? It is scary awesome, despite its "outdated" hardware. I cannot wait what Jolla will pull off with MeeGo on fresh silicone. Probably will be able to levitate the device and cure cancer while idle.

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Re: Good

Nokia make very good handsets and have unique technology - like the Pure view 40 megapixel camera, and phones that dont break the moment they are dropped - unlike crapple devices..

imo - that, combined with a unique OS offering in WP will eventually be a big winner...

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