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About 800 people in Buckinghamshire had their email addresses leaked by their district council in an email about waste collection. Aylesbury Vale District Council sent out a message to 840 people about garden waste collection that had everyone's email addresses pasted into the main body of the missive. The council told The Reg …

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and we have information and security policies in place.

Umm so no checking service that halts any emails going out with hundreds of email address's in the To field,

Or checking for plaintext email address's

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"no checking service that halts any emails going out with hundreds of email address's in the To field"

The article says the addresses were in the "main body" of the email

Not that that is in any way more forgiveable.

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Re: and we have information and security policies in place.

No they said they had policies in place, that's all they will have as not many (probably even none) will have the sort of software installed/configured to catch the type of error you described.

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guess you didnt read it all

ill say it again

Or checking for plaintext email address's

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Re: guess you didnt read it all

Guess you didn't either; the word is "addresses", with no apostrophe, as the both the article and the previous post made clear.

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Re: guess you didnt read it all

Thats right attack another aspect when original point proven wrong.

Apologies for my difficulties of writing perfectly correct grammer, my point is still valid regardless of mis-spelling and / or gramatical errors.

Fsking grammer nazi's

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On the plus side...

They now have a ready-made mailing list to galvanise efforts against the draconian policies of the council...

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WTF?

Back To The Future

"We [also] take the situation that happened yesterday very seriously and are undergoing an internal investigation with our fraud team that will report back early last week".

report back last week?

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Now that's how to write a headline!

Congrats to those at El Reg who did that headline. You absolutely nailed it!

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Admit it...

You wanted to start the fourth word of the title with an F.

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Before we get carried away...

When the people provided their e-mails addresses, did they untick the box stating that they agreed to having their details distributed at some point in the future in either an inevitable data loss or staff blunder?

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Re: Before we get carried away...

Lol, yes, you could almost make that a default if opt-out wasn't illegal..

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Poor;

"About 800 people in Buckinghamshire had their email addresses leaked by their district council in an email about waste collection.

Aylesbury Vale District Council sent out a message to 840 people about garden waste collection that had everyone's email addresses pasted into the main body of the missive."

Better;

840 people in Buckinghamshire had their email addresses leaked in an email about waste collection.

Aylesbury Vale District Council sent out a message that had everyone's email addresses pasted into the main body of the missive.

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Investigation

I suggest they have an investigation that recommends measures which will ensure this never happens again until next time.

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The victim pays

The lovely thing about this is that the email recipients are council-tax payers in that area. So if the council is fined for this breach, the people who will have to foot the bill: either through increased CT to pay the fine directly, or through reduced services to make up the budget shortfall, will include the people who had their email addresses exposed.

There can't be many situations where the victim of incompetence is also the person who is punished for it, instead of the person who made the mistake. Isn't local government wonderful?

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Re: The victim pays

suggest what would work better.

Raising council tax to pay for fines incurred by incompetent operation isn't a a great ticket to re-election, y'know

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suggest what would work better.

ISTM that torture has some unique advantages.

It's cheap, quick to administer, very personal and has a huge deterrent effect.

Plus, as a sideliine, you could always sell tickets to watch it.

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Re: The victim pays

How about the councillors have a fine deducted from their pay?

- it shows that they are ultimately responsible for the running of the Council and are more likely to take steps to ensure that these mistakes are not repeated (i.e. by improving systems/training or removing impediments).

- it doesn't affect the ratepayers other than potentially causing a councillors to be fined

- the goodwill that a politician paying to improve something that directly affects the electorate would be measurable

While it may have the downside of reducing the number of people who wish to become involved in local politics, look at the types of people that get involved in local ad central politics.

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How about the councillors have a fine deducted from their pay?

Councillors are an elected fig leaf with no control over the officers, who are mandated by central government to do things regardless of what the chamber says. I know of councils where councillors may not even talk to the staff unless the chief exec is present. They certainly can't instruct them.

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Re: The victim pays

Easy: Punish those guilty personally, not the council.

It's ridiculous to punish corporations or organizations as entities: They just hike the prices/taxes and nothing will change on personal level.

So: Go after the persons.

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Bucks Chucks Up a Fuck-Up of Muck...

BCC are idiots, I live in this council. Their IT is worse than Beavis and Butthead when you try to use their pathetic websites.

Even Dale Farm residents could do better. I have a Hotmail account just for BCC as their so pathetically Dain Bread it isn't funny.

Entire council is an Epic Fail.

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Re: Bucks Chucks Up a Fuck-Up of Muck...

The irony of BCC sending out an e-mail with everyones e-mail address visible on it to which the solution would have been to include all those e-mail addresses in the 'BCC' field of the e-mail.......

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Are you sure

that you understand the difference between Buckinghamshire County Council and Aylesbury Vale District Council? (I live in one, but the other starts a couple of miles down the road.)

It's not unusual for the county to deliver IT services (such as they are) on behalf of their local districts, but I don't think this is the case for AVDC.

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Email fail 101

Surely people responsible for mail outs are awake up to that old mistake?

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OH NO!

Oh no, NOT MY EMAIL ADDRESS!?!?

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*FRAUD* team

Wow - impressive word to use in a cock-up, and totally wrong. AFAIK this has zip to do with fraud..

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"We take the security of our data very seriously" - but not that of anyone else.

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So I've now has this email to be, and I got the one with student finance emails earlier in the year. I'm beginning to build up quite a large collection.

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Dialogue

ICO: Tut, tut, tut!

Bucs CEO: (grovel,grovel) We're so sorry. We take data protection very seriously, and have policies in place.

ICO: I'm goinf to have to fine you GBPxxxx.xx.

Bucks CEO: Oh, yes Sir. (aside) we'll just up the council tax a further pound, and collect bins once a month.

ICO: This must not happen again.

Bucks CEO: Oh, no, Sir. Lessons have been learned.

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(Three hour later) Deputy CEO: I say, someone left their laptop in a pub, and it has disappeared. It had all the CT payers' bank details on it. And the guy who was using it didn't understand all this business about passwords and excryption.

Bucks CEIO: Oh, well, another crow eating session.

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fraud?

Possibly quite a clever move, actually. It's not fraud, but involving the team sounds impressive. Hremit extendsfraud, and doesn't cover incompetence. So the council can honestly say 'its been investigated, and the staff involved cleared of any wrongdoing'. Ie its a textbook case of answering a question you wish you had been asked 'are we dishonest' in order to avoid answering the question you should be asked 'are we competent'.

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If the bucks muck could chuck any amount of muck, would a bucks muck chuck muck-up?

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