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Reading Borough Council is to develop an app to help young people find jobs. The authority's plan is part of its "from handset to mindset" project that aims to address the Not in Education, Employment or Training (NEETs) issue across Reading and West Berkshire. By developing the app, with the benefit of £125,000 of funding from …

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From my experience of Reading Borough Council I fully expect this app to increase unemployment in the area.

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Cheshire West have provided mopeds for those who get a job but find it difficult to get there because of a lack of public transport!

Pizza delivery firmware rubbing their hands with glee.

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Another waste of money from a council

There's plenty of apps available that already help people find jobs, much of the problem is they cant be bothered to help themselves.

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Re: Another waste of money from a council

Only it wasn't "another waste of money from a council", was it SJRulez. It was money that they got from O2. Arguably it is then a waste of O2's money, but certainly not the council's.

Please go back to reading your Daily Mail now.

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Helping people find jobs

Yet another way for the huge number of people out of work to chase the tiny number of available jobs.

It doesn't matter how flashy your tech is if there aren't enough jobs.

No matter how many people find work through this scheme there will still be exactly the same number of people out of work - just different people.

The way to get more people into work is not to endlessly harass and blame the unemployed, it is to make more jobs available. (And NOT by giving the rich tax cuts and claiming it will 'trickle down' - the poor are already being pissed on.)

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Re: Helping people find jobs

But it's such fun harassing the unemployed, especially during a Depression.

Kicking people out of their wheelchairs, making cancer patients stack shelves for nothing, abusing NEETs for being lazy while your trust fund gets fundier and fundier and you snort more and more of it - what kind of lunatic wouldn't enjoy this?

Be fair. It's not as if anyone is asking them to work in a bank.

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Re: Helping people find jobs

With $32+Trillion hoarded in off-shore the vaults, where is the consumer 'demand' to create jobs that manufacture products or provide services, in a deficit driven economy? Someone please make a rational economic evidenced-based argument to the contrary. Thank you Christoph for the reality check.

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And who will provide phones for the app

How can they afford the phone to even get the app. (unless they count of bank of Mum & Dad)

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Um?

Just how does this "App" help someone find work (other than the developers in India) ?

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Self interest?

Local councils helping people? Odd ... one of the perks of working for a council is that you get to make life hell for ordinary people. Then I read that they laid off 150 employees last year, so maybe this scheme is meant to redress the (self-inflicted) balance somewhat. Although a council with a conscience is rarer than a council with a "help the public" ethic, so that can't be right.

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Is this the same Reading Borough Council that refused to bid for free money from the Government for Ultra-fast broadband because they didn't understand it? Yes I think it is!

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"Get on your bike"

I remember this and all the socialist propaganda against it.

I remember posters at poly about it - all left winger ones.

I never got caught modifying them to read join the poly motorcycle club

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I got on my bike

And cycled to the train station, then had a 50mins commute and then did some walking

Sheesh, no wonder so many people can't be bothered - but on the plus side, I am no longer a fatty.

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Re: I got on my bike

" And cycled to the train station, then had a 50mins commute and then did some walking"

In my area that means about 08.25 you would start walking.

Fact remains that there are not enough jobs available because the economy is STILL shrinking.

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So, in honour of aeronaut Norman Tebbit (and his mate Keith Joseph of "planned run-down of Merseyside" fame) who didn't "Get It" about this kind of recession, can I just repeat from memory my bus-stop anecdote from the last time we had a nasty recession - year 2002 or so, at least in IT anyway.

First student at bus stop:- "bugger of a recession, isn't it, what we gonna do when we graduate?"

Second student:- "tell me about it, my mate got a 1st in Computing, couldn't get a (real) job, so eventually he joined the RAF instead"

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there aren't enough jobs.

No one seems to be asking the question about the relationship between 'there aren't enough jobs' and G4S failing to fill some 30,000 jobs!!! I would be really interested to see how many people actually applied for jobs with them, if it outstripped the figure fair enough.... if it didn't then that's worrying.

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Re: there aren't enough jobs.

Are these actual longterm jobs, or are people out the door after a couple of months down the line?

And, what kind of jobs exactly, are they highly-skilled and suitable for all the folks that have been chucked out of theirs ......I mean, how do they compare to working for say, other companies that spring to mind, Initial Services for example, some of us have long memories ;)

Plus, do you need old skool security appearance, like tattoos, a mullet, and a black leather bomber jacket to work for them, or are they more into the neo-Auschwitz guard/TSA Official vibe.... ;)

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Re: there aren't enough jobs.

Maybe if they dressed like CLIEИT (band) they'd get more takers ;)

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Re: there aren't enough jobs.

Possibly the majority, like my 26 year old dole monger daughter, wants to walk into a £30K job else it aint worth working coz the dole pay my rent, fags and drink money anyway

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Re: there aren't enough jobs.

Has she considered training up for welding? Seems girls can be very good indeed.

Real money, real job. Downside - need some determination, and a steady hand!

"Carissa Love Showed up Ready to Kick A$$ and chew gum...But she ran out of gum."-

http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/how-to-weld.html

http://www.weldingtipsandtricks.com/shortage-of-welders-ua-video.html

HR business grad girl quits, goes into welding .... wins prize.

http://www.ccac.edu/default.aspx?id=150327

OK she may never consider it but at least it shows what is possible.

Plumbing also pays well, always required.

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Re: there aren't enough jobs.

Well they didn't apply for it because if you do get the six weeks work then you likely lose your benefits for 3 months. They might pay you back eventually but by that time you are borrowing £50 at 2480% to buy own brand beans and pay your electric before they cut you off.

I imagine You would also be moved to the 'pester list' where you are seen as recently unemployed so extra hoops would be placed in your way before you qualify for benefits you have already received and depend on.

The jobs were paying near minimum wage, benefits pay what you need, there is a vast gap between if you have any dependants.

What I would have done was taken a look at good candidates on the dole who would like to move into security, give them special dispensation to do the 6 weeks work with the option to return to benefits immediately if needed.

They would be trained, obtain certification which is worth ~ £500 -£1000, given 6 weeks work and a reference I would imagine 50% would be back in work almost immediately afterwards. Group 4 and its subbies would probably hire the ones they liked. The rest are in a better position to find work.

It would pay for itself by the ones not available for work having their benefits stopped and not paying a management fee G4S would supply some of the training instead.

Better than subsidising big multinationals by supplying cheap shelf stackers.

Of course many may have applied but because G4S would have lost money putting them on a retainer or guaranteeing the work most good ones have got another job.

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Re: there aren't enough jobs.

Those are temporary jobs, and even of they were permanent, that's not the issue. It was G4S failing to get enough people through the clearance and training process in time.

This is going to come as a shock to you, but many people who are unemployed, aren't the feckless, welfare scroungers that you think they are.

Again SJRulez, please go back to reading your Daily Mail. Or better still, burn it and read an actual newspaper.

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Re: there aren't enough jobs.

So it's not that there arent any jobs. It's not that there aren't enough jobs. It's more like, "Well, there's jobs but not any that I like the look of/that I think match my qualifications or experience/that match up to my sense of self worth."?

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Re: there aren't enough jobs.

@AC, re: your 26 year old, unemployed daughter.

I am not sure what sort of luxurious lifestyle your daughter is managing to create on her £70 a week benefit for a single person, but if it's that good, maybe she could write a book about it and let everyone else in on the secret.

I am in full-time, well paid employment, but I have friends who are not, and they can just about manage to feed themselves adequately on their £10 a day dole money. Bear in mind that the £10 a day has to pay for heating and electricity, as well as food.

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Re: there aren't enough jobs.

Nonsense - there are loads of jobs available, just look at the immigration figures. Youse problem is that you people make life of the unemployed too easy. Drastically reduce or cut off the dole - people who will not be supported by the family _will_ work or starve. I am an immigrant myself and I didn't sneer at some odd jobs paying peanuts and finally a crappy real job with <18K starting salary. Granted, I am now on 70K+, but this is all due to the hard work and experience.

Immigrant, takin ur jobs

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Re: there aren't enough jobs.

She spends most of the day sleeping and the evenings in pubs where other "out of work" (re black economy) people buy her drinks, her leccy is on key meter and her b/f pays for that.

As said, her rent is paid so she has no £220 per week plus council tax outlay that most of us have from out £1100 a month

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Re: there aren't enough jobs.

"people... _will_ work or starve."

My dole ran out two months ago, I *AM* faced with the option of working or starving. I've applied for 1008 jobs in the last 26 months. Everything from my qualified field of software engineering all the way down to shelf stacking and burger flipping. Nobody is prepared to pay me to work. Give me the work, and I'll do it.

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Why?

Why go to the hassle of developing another f*ing App (for Droid AND iOS)? Why not just bung the sits vac onto a bleedin' website? Probably rather cheaper, and available to people who only have access to bog standard internet. - oooh, maybe someone's already done that? Or will the app include geolocation and beep to tell you you're walking past a Tesco with current vacancies for shelf-stackers or a hospital with a vacancy for a consultant brain surgeon?

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Re: Why?

Eeeh lad, I remember t'olden days, adverts on FRONT page of paper where they should be, REAL jobs advertised in Plain English with the SALARY and REQUIREMENTS quoted. No messing.

No need to play silly games with HR asking what you previously earned. Apparently the salary quoted helped to attract the appropriate candidates, too low, no-one bothers, high, and you have stiff competition from the best ;)

Of course, we had a REAL economy then ;)

My old man also delights in telling me the time he was reimbursed for travel expenses to an interview by one of the interviewers (yeah, really!) from a briefcase full of nice fresh crisp notes. Honesty-based system- told them how much it cost to get there. ;)

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I live in Reading..

And went looking for an evening/weekend job to suplement the 9-5. Found a restaurant job with 20 minutes of looking and started my first shft a few days later.

Theres plenty of jobs in this town for those who look for them, ive yet to walk down Friar street and not see at least 50% of the bars recruiting for various roles.

The problem, which noone wants to admit to, is that someone aged 23 who has never had a job almost certainly has no intention of ever finding a job.

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Several million Poles....

seem t be able to find jobs here without the benefit of flashy apps.

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Re: Several million Poles....

That's not a fair assessment -- as any fule kno, only a Pole can do Pole Dancing...

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Well that's lucky for the 16-25 year olds. Good job I'm considered over the hill and irrelevant and destined to a life of unemployment at the ripe old age of 27.

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I'll work, and be quite conscientious in doing so.

But you'll need to either pay me, or grow some stones and make me redundant if you can't pay me.

About to quit.

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@sjrules

G4S

Depends from experience of being unemployed I would be asking myself the following first.

Is it paying enough for it to be worth it?

Hows long is it for.

Do I have enough money to last to the first pay packet, or even have enough spare saved to get to work in the first place?

Will I have to relocate or travel distances that eat up the wages (i'm guessing the wages weren't generous).

Once the contract ends and I am made unemployed again,

will I have made enough money to tide me over and end up effectively pissing down the drain making the whole effort of earning the extra cash completly worthless before the dole get of there arse and start paying me again.

Will my landlord be nice enough to put up with the delays in rent caused by me starting work and waiting for payment, and then ending work and waiting for council to approve the benefit.

You know after that I might have considered it.

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Re: @sjrules

That gives me an idea. A system of real-time micropayments, triggered by the clock card machine... brb writing a patent.

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Unfortunately a lot of people who are unemployed look at the jobs out there as boring and mundane rather than the means to an end. You cant progress or better yet expect to be earning 30k+ without doing some of the shit jobs along the way. I started out picking up rubbish on the local market at 16, not a great job but it still paid. How many 16 year old's would do that now?

I've on occasion sent job details to friends who are supposedly looking for jobs and quite often get a response back of 'Nah I don't want to do that' and yet a few conversations later they'll vent anger at being stuck on benefits.

Somebody mentioned earlier in the thread, that the unemployed mass are not the benefit robbers I think they are...... Unfortunately that's also down to where you live, the road I live on has two working families, a few that work cash in hand and defraud the benefit system whilst the remaining sit on their ass outside each others house getting pissed all day.

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"a lot of people ... look at the jobs out there as boring and mundane"

Boring work is the price you pay for being able to eat and keep a roof over your head.

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Bonkers..

So let me see if I have this right...

1. the council is getting a grant to basically duplicate an app that the jobseeker-direct site already has.

2. they are doing this to facilitate sharing of job links across social media because the .gov site prevents its visitors doing this themselves (due to session variables passed in its URL's).

Colour me cynical but a quick search of Google reveals at least two sites that are scraping the JSD website in almost real time and one unemployed dev showed how to do it using just the Yahoo Pipes service.

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And the real cost?

By the time the council has debated it, gone through all the paperwork, paid all the staff to check on what was needed, asked a dozen jobsworths to research it, asked another dozen to shuffle the paperwork, it will cost the council about £750,000 to implement it. Progress at last.

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"from handset to mindset"

icon says it all

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Real jobs?

I'd be curious if this app got any real jobs. The problem here in the US, there's a couple OK jobs sites (but without enough jobs listed.) The others (*cough* monster.com) have LOADS of "jobs", but they aren't jobs. They are temp agencies that just shovel out junk listings for every locality in the country... so, it's like "Oh! A job", to find out that actually they want to, maybe eventually down the road, get you a minimum wage temp job 1000 miles from your location.

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Alternate uses abound

With this App on the unemployed cell handsets, it means that applicant's lives can be monitored.

(1) What time does a user's cell stop moving at night and in the morning; (2) How may times a user actually uses the App; (3) Time planner - allowing users to plan out their job search activities - and for Big Brother to monitor their performance; (4) Check on transportation modes (slow-walking; faster-bicycle;, fast, non fixed route-car; public transport, etc; (5) Plod could track their potential customers; (6) Check on cell usage costs and inquire wheee the funds are coming from.

Great tool especially for social serves and benefits providers..

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£30k minimum....

Had a Work Experience kid here a few weeks ago. His Dad is the current IT director here, so naturally knows nothing about actual IT (He asked me if the Avaya setup we had was IP Telephony and when the comms room flooded, was nowhere to be found).

The lad really thought that he could walk into a job on £30k/year and seemed rather upset when I told him a fantastic graduate package would be between £18-20k and that despite being time served, having 2 degrees, and multiple IT certs, I only just about earn £30k.

I'm sure 'Dad' will sort hum out though..

AC because it's a Viper pit here and I'd like to stay employed :)

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