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A NASA probe craft in orbit around the moon has confirmed that most of the US flags planted on the lunar surface by the Apollo astronauts of yesteryear are still flying, despite some scientists' having theorised that their fragile materials would have failed to survive extremes of temperature and radiation over the decades. LRO …

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but where's

The London Bus

The Lancaster Bomber

and the secret Nazi Moonbase

I suspect a conspiracy

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Re: but where's

I thought it was supposed to be a Flying Fortress not a Lancaster?

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Alien

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I thought it was supposed to be a Flying Fortress not a Lancaster?

As I recall from the Weekly World News report, it was a B-17. Who are we to doubt the WWN?

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Mushroom

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The spacecraft from Cybertron?

Icon is obligatory Michael Bay explosion.

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"The spacecraft from Cybertron?"

obscured by camera flare

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Re: but where's

The Sunday Sport also found a Spitfire up there in the 1980s

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Hale-Bopp companion

Can we get NASA to turn the camera around and look out to space on it's way round?

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NASA faked the moon landings so completely they sent men to the moon to plant evidence the missions happened!

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Obligatory XKCD reference

XKCD

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Isn't it cheaper to fake the photo too?

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Hubble

Surely hubble or one of the other powerfull telescopes could have seen these images in high res. But instead we get to see vague black blobs....

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Re: Hubble

http://hubblesite.org/reference_desk/faq/answer.php?id=77

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Re: Hubble

"The moon is a difficult target for Hubble because it moves across the sky faster than Hubble can track it and is very dim in ultraviolet light."

That's a quote from this interesting page. - http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/hubble_moon.html

Fantastic resource, the internet.

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Re: Hubble

I did mention "or one of the other telescopes".

This seems so unbelievable that we can "send a man to the moon" but we can't take a fu****ing picture of the damned thing. Can't we attach that 21Gb Camera to something ?

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Re: Hubble

The problems that would apply the Hubble also apply to the other earth-orbiting scopes. In addition their focal length rather rules it out; they simply can't focus on something that close. It'd be like asking you to read a screen right in front of your eyeball.

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"we can't take a fu****ing picture of the damned thing"

Engineering is hard. This is because physics is hard. Who knew?

But lets get to the crux of the issue, which is "how much money should we have to spend to satisfy a bunch of grumpy crackpots"? To my mind, we should spend none at all. They will never be convinced (the new photos are faked too!) and our space programs get little enough cash as it is. The evidence ain't going anywhere in the meantime; you'll get your high res pictures one day. Patience.

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Re: Hubble

Why take photos for proof when shooting lasers at the moon is so much cooler?

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>but we can't take a fu****ing picture of the damned thing

I believe there there is an English mission to make a brass rubbing of it

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<<This seems so unbelievable that we can "send a man to the moon">>

We can't, not any more. The Apollo project was compartmentalized and produced under the rules governing department of defense contracts, and after a certain number of years years any paperwork held by a company on such a project has to be destroyed by law. No-one thought the information worth archiving at the time and, well, there y'go. All that research, in the shredder.

OMNI did an article on it some years ago. Rarely has my ghast been so utterly flabbered.

If we could muster the public will to do it again, most of the key research would have to be done over just to get back to where we were. The costs will be ... interesting to contemplate. I imagine we'll measure them in Investment Bank Officer Bonuses to keep the numbers manageable.

Cool article. It's about time we had some decent snaps of the landing sites. I was beginning to think we'd have to wait until Playmobil made a camera small enough for The Register to send.

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Re: Hubble

This isn't right: the moon is effectively at infinity for hubble, as for other telescopes. Even if you're not convinced by this, you should be convinced by one of the earlier links, which is to a picture of the Moon's surface taken by Hubble.

In fact the reason they can't see the Apollo sites is because they can't resolve them. For a telescope with radius D, using light of wavelength lambda, then its angular resolution is approximately theta = lambda/D. Equivalently D = lambda/theta. To resolve something on the moon 1m across, where the moon is about 370x10^6m away, then theta is approximately sin(theta) is 1/(370*10^6). The wavelength of visible light is around 500*10^(-9)m.

So plugging all this in you get D = 185m or for an object of 4m (lunar module is about 4m across) D=46m.

Hubble's mirror is 2.4m, and it's effectively on the surface of the earth (orbit around 600*10^3m). It can work in UV so can gain something there, but it's nowhere near being able to resolve an Apollo site (and neither is an earth-based telescope)

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Well said AC @30th July 2012 18:12 GMT, though the question

"how much money should we have to spend to satisfy a bunch of grumpy crackpots"?

should be rephrased as:

"how much money should we have to spend to to send a bunch of grumpy crackpots to the Moon to prove it can be done"?

Then, of course, we can boot the "grumpy crackpots" out of the lander without a space suit (also paid for by aforementioned money) and laugh as they suffocate! Then they might be posthumously convinced!

Colin

Alien icon, just in case they got there first :-)

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Re: Hubble

"Why take photos for proof when shooting lasers at the moon is so much cooler?"

And sharks orbiting the Moon shooting those lasers would be even cooler!

Colin

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Re: Hubble

Fantastic resource, the internet.

Sure as hell is:

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/1999/14/image/

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Re: Hubble

Ummm, dust off SA-514 and SA-515 and we have two working rockets. They could also reverse engineer them.

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> they simply can't focus on something that close

The moon is still 250,000,000m away - that's not terribly close for something with a 57m focal length.

Your cell phone manages to focus on things 25km away doesn't it ?

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We could ask the Chinese, maybe? I think their military and industrial espionage agencies prolly have it all nicely sorted and filed.

(Hmm, troll or coat icon, which to choose?)

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@A.C. --- Re: Hubble --- Adams had the right solution.

""how much money should we have to spend to satisfy a bunch of grumpy crackpots"? To my mind, we should spend none at all."

Douglas Adams had the right idea: a one-way exit ticket. Send the bunch of grumpy Doubting-Thomas Crackpots to the moon to see for themselves then dump 'em there permanently.

Earth would be a much better place rid of its Golgafrincham influence (for a while at least--until we'd bred another generation of 'em).

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"This seems so unbelievable that we can "send a man to the moon" but we can't take a fu****ing picture of the damned thing. Can't we attach that 21Gb Camera to something ?"

Ummmm....you do know what distances we're talking about, right?

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"sharks orbiting the Moon"

Space sharks!

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Re: @A.C. --- Hubble --- Adams had the right solution.

"Earth would be a much better place rid of its Golgafrincham influence (for a while at least--until we'd bred another generation of 'em)."

Well at least house prices might come down a bit I suppose.

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@A.C - - Re: @A.C. --- Hubble --- Adams had the right solution.

Didn't think of that, but it's all the more reason. ;-)

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Re: "21Gb Camera"

Also, what's a 21Gb camera?

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Of course, one of these might do the job:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/05/military_gives_telescopes_to_nasa/

as they have adjustable focal length optics, what with being originally designed for spying. Might cost you $500M or so to fit it out and launch it. Or you could just try asking the NRO nicely - I'm sure they probably already have a couple of similar/better models in orbit. Wouldn't surprise me if they can actively track a fast-moving object in orbit too - I can't see the US not having spent the extra cash to have the ability to image other countries' space assets as well as their ground assets...

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Obviously faked

Zod destroyed all of the flags back in '77.

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'NASA faked the moon landings so completely they sent men to the moon to plant evidence the missions happened!'

Not quite, but rest assured, as soon as NASA feel amateurs are within reach of sending reconnaissance vehicles of their own to investigate the moon, they will send a probe to 'plant' the evidence first.

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Flags

What?!? The American flag is being desecrated by being allow to touch the ground (for certain definitions of "ground")?!? We must immediately develop a program to return to correct this wrong!

Dave

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Re: Flags

George W tried that... Couldn't scrape together the $$$

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Re: Flags

Nah, he just said it on TV. There was never a serious attempt to fund a return to the moon, or much of anything else outside of The Haliburton Bottomless Cash Sinkhole.

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No worries, I am sure the Chinese or the Indians will do it for you.

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Re: Flags

The Indians need to turn the lights back on first.

(Guess 8% of the worlds population losing its power supply is not a big enough story for the Reg)

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Quote: The American flag is being desecrated by being allow to touch the ground?!? We must immediately develop a program to return to correct this wrong!

Isn't the usual reaction to this kind of insubordination to just bomb the crap out of the offenders?

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Just like Microsoft and tablet computing...

The US will wait 'til someone else gets (back) there and then it will be a mad dash for us to build some space worthy vehicles.

The reason we haven't gone back isn't because of the cash, it's because the Zionists want us all in one place.

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Pics or it never happe...oh...wait a minute...

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One way to be sure!

Send people back to check it out. "How hard can it be?" (I just like that quote!).

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Re: One way to be sure!

Herby. Instead of

"How hard can it be?"

Maybe you should ask

"What could possibly go wrong?"

Other than that, I agree with you!

Colin

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How long before Google send a streeview craft up there?

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@AC

My guess would be at least until such time that there are any streets to view.

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or until some has a wifi network for them to snoop on.

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Drones....

yeah... send drones! Find out what those conservative terrorists are doing, and blow them off our moon! Oh, and we'll get those picture you want...

Yeah....

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