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British schoolchildren will be among those receiving computer networking gear liberated from London's Olympic park once the competition is over, said Cisco. The company provided 2,200 network switches to create a BT-designed topology that can carry the results of the men's 100m to the world and link 22,000 on-site journalists to …

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I smell some sport!

First leaky hard drive on ebay wins a cake

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Re: I smell some sport!

What's gonna happen to the Londoners Olympic IT kit after the Londoners have had their Londoners Olympics? Well Sherlock, the same as is gonna happen to the Londoners buildings - they get to keep the lot.

The Londoners Olympics 2012. For Londoners. Decided to be held in London by Londoners. The buildings get to be used after by Londoners. The rest of the country get to gawp at the Londoners torch as makes its condescending token-gesture way through their town, and the rest on telly (MP's and, err, Londoners get all the tickets, natch).

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Re: I smell some sport!

Ooohhh bitter much?

I could point out that the sailing is in Weymouth, the rowing in Erin and there are events in Manchester and Brum.

But no doubt your choking on so much bile it's making you blind and deaf as well as dumb.

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For Londoners?

Not for the vast majority who will only suffer from it

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Re: For Londoners?

If "London Olympics" footie can be held in Manchester and Glasgow, why can't equestrian sports be at Hickstead instead of messing up Greenwich?

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Re: I smell some sport!

The educational sector has benefited from the IT already - the laptops have already all been sold off, fair spec equipment at an ok cost with decent warranties... The servers were still up for grabs about a month ago though.

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"The rest of the country get to gawp at the Londoners torch as makes its condescending token-gesture way through their town..."

Lest we forget, the streetlamps 100 miles from the Smoke are still littered with "London 2012" banners weeks after the self-toasting cheese graters have been and gone.

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I'm glad the damn thing is staying in London, it means I can ignore it. It was bad enough having whole towns grind to a halt so some fool can carry a torch through them.

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Re: I smell some sport!

And its certainly worth the few dozen schools and hospitals that could have been built otherwise? Coca-cola/Samsung/McDonalds etc think so - and the government is their bitch, as usual.

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You even bothered gawping at the torch?

Complete irrelevant yawnfest start to finish.. the only entertainment has been watching how surprised people are the only people making money out of this are the corporate 'sponsors'.

OTOH if any politician claims there isn't enough money after blowing 10billion on some berk running around with an 99 cornet that someone has set on fire then they're going to get two fingers and a belly laugh.

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Re: For Londoners?

Ah, Manchester, the Londoners favourite token 'northern' city. Located right on the border apparently and not pretty much in the midlands as most maps show.

What's that? Middlesbrough? Newcastle? They're imaginary places surely?

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Re: I smell some sport!

ODFO. You'll find that the overwhelming majority of us Londoners (well I commute in every day anyway) don't want it either, it's going to make getting around a real pain in the arse for three weeks.

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Re: I smell some sport!

@bdam

It is, after all, the "London" Olympics. I think that might have something do with the IOC awarding the Olympics to a city, not a country.

Naturally, it becomes a national event with some crumbs handed out to the "the provinces" and the whole country gets to pay for the whole shebang, but nobody talks about the China Olympics (Beijng), the Greek Olympics (Athens) or the Australia Olympics (Sydney).

Personally, I'll be avoiding it as much as possible.

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Re: I smell some sport! - @bdam

Err, as an ex-Londoner I'd like to mention here that the majority of Londoners didn't want the cost or the extra people crowding the city, neither did we want the extra taxes. The whole 'sell' for the 2012 olympics was a tapestry of lies and half-truths about it being the best way to regenerate parts of the city, when in fact it's pretty obvious it would have been cheaper and easier just to invest the money directly.

Make no mistakes, this is a political pride/legacy play, nothing to do with the people, be they Londoners or otherwise.

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Re: I smell some sport!

Not quite - no events in Brum!

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ODFO

Nice to see 'ODFO' back, thought it had died out. More please!

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Re: I smell some sport!

Oh, some bitter non Londoner. Have you been paying extra council tax for 5 years to have these games? No? Then pipe out.

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Hmmm...

I'm a little disappointed with all of the "could be"s. You'd think that with an undertaking this huge, there'd have been some long-term planning involved.

Something like "These switches have been earmarked for educational use after the Games" or "We have a tenant lined up for this building next year."

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Re: Hmmm...

What!

Government forward planning. Really! The very idea.

Now go and wash your mouth out with soap.

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Do you think anyone comes up with these justifications for the Olympics after detailed analysis and planning?

The detailed analysis of the Olympics, carried out by economists repeatedly reports that it's not worth hosting them. The only benefit is that the nation gets a 3 week party and that's a pretty damned expensive party, especially as it's full of sports that people normally couldn't give a toss about.

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Re: Government forward planning.

Is strictly not possible due to the fact that most bureaucrats suffer from Extreme Terminal Stupidity[1].

Good idea with the soap, but, not the mouth, but ....(see below)

[1]Extreme Terminal Stupidity (ETS) is a mental defect that is rare in the common man, but gets more and more common as the individual's employment station reaches higher and higher into the lofty towers of enterprise or government.

Most people understand ETS by its street name: shit for brains.

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Re: Government forward planning.

I actually think /most/ of them are VERY clever. Many of them are also self-serving, manipulative, acquisitive, arrogant, thieving scumbags who will stop at nothing - tell any lie, obfuscate their true intentions at every opportunity, play different groups in society off against one another, deliberately sow discontent, single out those least able to defend themselves; all the while with their smug, self satisfied, superior little smirk on their face (particularly Cambo and Osborne - I bet they had that same smirk when engaging in the old favourite pastime oftrashing the restaurants of Oxford (and Osborne definitely had it when he was pictured with the hooker coked off his face)). They exist only in order to advance their own agenda. If any policies benefit any of the people, it is almost certainly going to be those few people who live in the constituencies which ever change hands. The rest of us can forget about having any actual say in this country which is laughably termed a "democracy".

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Re: Hmmm...

This, like the dome, was another "put me down in history" idea from Tony (my wife milks the legal aid system) Blair

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Buy shares in eBay!!!!

'nuff said!

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Wacky? Oh, yes.

'Coca-Cola's Beatbox Pavilion'

Is that for real? I thought someone had dumped a load of deckchairs.

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Re: Wacky? Oh, yes.

or the wreckage from last years riots.

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this is a very unimpressive use of technology

im glad im paying for it and will never get to see any benefit from it

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Re: this is a very unimpressive use of technology

That'll be the kit that is provided through sponsorship. as 70% of the games (*not* the infrastructure, the games) is provided by. Less than a third is taxpayers money and all the network is sponsored (hence Cisco get to publicise their involvement to the reg)

If you read things from the mail, at least google them before putting it onto a proper forum

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"*not* the infrastructure, the games"

how very Orwellian

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WTF?

If they sell the kit ...

... will us the taxpayer (or at least the treasury) be refunded some of the 10 billion that's been spent on this 2 week ego fest? Somehow I doubt it. Its all very well pretending to be magnanimous about "donating" kit to schools when its already bought and paid for by the general public.

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They turned the Athens broadcast centre into a shopping centre... don't think that option's available here.

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You've never heard of online shopping?

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Sir

Just because the switches are 'only' 6500's doesn't mean you can't create some decent backbone topology with them.

Just because lego* bricks are only basic little blocks doesn't mean you can't make something good** with them.

* Other construction bricks are available, presumably

** Might not necessarily be useful

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Re: Sir

Quite - and this is why they are being used for this job - you can architect a rather super system and they're proven. The fact they were chosen for this is proof positive you can create some decent backbone topology in fact.

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Just because lego bricks are only basic little blocks doesn't mean you can't make something good with them.

Like a Rolls Royce Trent engine, perhaps ?

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I don't know I'm disappointed to read 60Gbps at the core, sounds like a ten year old network

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Given that every Nexus based site I've seen has had major networking issues the decision to stick with 6500s seems a good one. The only customers I've seen with Nexus have too much money and too much time to read marketing carp.

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Actually they are are 6500 E chassis which have only been around for a couple of years...

and have a roadmap up to at least 2020 - they are completely different beasts to the 6500 (non E) chassis which have an end of sale date this august.

Apart from a much bigger backplane the E Series Chassis support the new Virtual Switching Supervisor 720-10GEs which give you a resislient pair of switches without having to rely on the painfully slow Spanning Tree Protocol for link resilience in the core - handy when you've got thousands of VLANs running through the buggers.

- anonymous for obvious reasons.

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Re: Actually they are are 6500 E chassis which have only been around for a couple of years...

@AC Posted Saturday 21st July 2012 17:14 GMT

"- anonymous for obvious reasons."

Is the obvious portion because you are clueless of what you are talking about? The E has only been around for a "few" years. They have been around for more than a "few" years.

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps708/prod_end-of-life_notice0900aecd8035ece4.html

EOS was November 2006. 2012 - 2006 = 6. That is MORE than a few years. The E series was released in 2004; so 8 years ago.

Just so you know, you can run the Sup-720 on the non-E chassis. You still get the same fabric speed as the E chassis. The Sup determines the backplane speed, not the chassis. The E series allows for bigger power supplies than the non-E series. So if you are using high power draw cards or POE, you need the E-series chassis. The backplane connectors are compatible between the E and non-E chassis models. Many cards require the high speed fan which can be put into a non-E chassis.

*The Sup-2T requires an E chassis.

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Hmm... will those be the beta test games?

The CCC (Chaos Computer Club) regularly holds a conference the Chaos Communications Conference. For that they build up a network of similar orders of magnitude. (only about 20 gigabit Internet uplink though)

A few years back they ran into an obscure bug I think in Cisco switches. Their next hop tables apparently only have 4096 entries. There might be other similarly exotic bugs hidden.

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Aargh

People writing "gonna" ( never heard even Americans pronounce it that way), the article printing, several times, "repurposing". This for a supposedly technical audience if the native language is so difficult to use and write, no

wonder so much programming and the average user interface are so poor.

I shall stay anonymous while the massed ignorance and wounded pride yell at me to

prove the point.

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Disgusting

It's just such a shame to see so much money wasted on a 1 month binge when many parts of the rest of the UK are in such a depressed state. That could have been alot of schools, teachers, nurses, hospitals, infrastructure etc. nationwide... providing a real legacy.

It was a disgusting decision to bid to host the 'lympics. Those who approved the decision should be ashamed of themselves. Especially when the bid was won through deliberate dodgy accounting and lies. The Olympics requires far too much development and construction by the host nation and is not sustainable in its current format.

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Just to put this into context. Crossrail is costing £15bn.

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Re: Disgusting

Which I also think is disgusting!

Upgrading the Underground should have been a priority and extending it into South London. Instead they've added to the horrible web of over ground train routes operated by different franchises... all charging different rates for the same journey distances. And not matching the Underground for frequency.

But still a much better use of money than the 'lympics. At least it should still be around and in use in 20 years' time.

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Crossrail will last more than a month

(whether it actually runs trains for more than a month between strikes is negligable)

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Legacy

"When the competition is over, the equipment will be yanked out or repurposed, and the Olympic organisers' legacy team will decide who will get what."

Hold on. Surely this falls under sustainability, not legacy?

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It's a sustainability commitment to use legacy infrastructure to provide an inheritance for the lower Lea Valley and beyond. I really believe that.

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deliberate dodgy accounting and lies.

as opposed to, what? accidentally dodgy accounting?

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Lightbulb moment!

The vast quantity of kit required for the London Olympics is probably the reason that the Cisco [charity] Donation Programme has been suspended.

"[We] will not be processing new donation requests at this time because increased demand for Cisco products has exceeded the programmes inventory."

There's always a reason!

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