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Mark October 26th down in your diary: that's the day Microsoft has chosen to release Windows 8 into the wild. Windows leader Steve Sinofsky revealed the release date at Microsoft's annual sales meeting today and Redmond quickly emitted an organic, engaging, and convincingly human blog post with the news and the image below to …

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Mushroom

Buy your put options

101 days is ample time to generate enough FUD, badwill and rumors through word of mouth for this to be an instant flop. I'm going to bring this down like I brought down Vista (well, maybe it wasn't just me).

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Apple

Apple announce release of new iPhone will be on 27 October and the release of iOS 6 on the 25 October.

Thus Microsoft will be so severely eclipsed that no one will realise they have released anything.

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Re: Buy your put options

OK, so you had a lucky shot with Vista (Hey, thanks!) but I'm afraid that, where the FUD, badwill and rumors game is concerned, Microsoft have wiped the floor with far better men than you and I --- and will continue to do so.

But don't let me put you off trying :)

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@AC 06:42

Looks like they've been following Government policy and burying bad news on busy news days.

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101 is obviously code ... for something

The simplest explanation is that 101 in binary is 5 decimal, which is a tacit acceptance that windows "8" is actually two steps backward and in no way an advance on Windows 7.

(sure as every second Star Trek movie is shit, ...)

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Re: 101 is obviously code ... for something

I think you'll find it's actually a reference to 101 dalmations. With Microsoft playing the part of Cruella Deville,

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Re: 101 is obviously code ... for something

Or possibly it's a nod to those that might consider putting the whole Mtro experience into a certain Room...

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Re: 101 is obviously code ... for something

"(sure as every second Star Trek movie is shit, ...)"

That's too funny....because I was JUST commenting on that very idea to a coworker of mine when I showed her this story. Correct me if I am wrong...but I think the general acceptance of the Windows client operating system and it's quality goes something like this? (Starting with Windows 3.0)

Windows 3.0 - CRAP

Windows 3.1x - Better

Windows 95 - CRAP

Windows 98 - Better

Windows ME - CRAP (Even Microsoft really wants to put that one behind them....)

Windows XP - Better

Windows Vista - CRAP

Windows 7 - Better

Windows 8 - A whole new world of CRAP reimagined

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Ready for a sales flop then, MS?

Maybe Win8 is designed to boost sales of Win7 with fear that the better OS will be made unavailable after a short while?

Did you know it's trendy to have a preference for the previous release? At long last, I'm one of the cool guys! ;-)

Fast forward summer 2013 when Microsoft release SP1 for Win8 which includes the option to enable the traditional START menu. Why do we have to wait? You know you've got it wrong already, Microsoft!

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Happy

Re: Why do we have to wait?

Classic Shell provides the old menu styles and also can do a straight to normal desktop thing for Windows 8.

(http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/)

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Re: Ready for a sales flop then, MS?

Windows 8 is so contentious that people seem to have largely forgotten the UEFI issue that will create huge issues for OSS. Microsoft has Windows 7 to fall back on which I hear is quite a good Windows release.

Microsoft has a large enough userbase that they can afford to put out a bad OS/UI to get most users/businesses onto the release previous and force through UEFI (a done deal on new hardware) while people don't notice as they are too worried about being stuck with Win 8/Metro.

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Re: Ready for a sales flop then, MS?

@Privacy: UEFI's secure boot will not create any problems for OSS/FOSS because if it couldn't be switched off, you'd not be able to install any previous versions of Windows, which is critical to hardware manufacturers and MS alike.

That, and MS require that it can be switched off in their "It works with Windows 8" certification.

Like it or not, BIOS has had its time and UEFI has been coming for a long time now, it's been on Intel Macs and Itanium machines since day one because BIOS is 25 years old, it's served us well, but now it needs to be put out to pasture.

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Re: Why do we have to wait?

You still have to resort to a silly batch file attached to the startup task to get rid of the original silly kiddies tile page. And you still see it for a couple of secs: well that's on my netbook, probably less on a faster PC.

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Re: Why do we have to wait?

Too many 'sillies' Sorry, forgot to edit. But then the tiled stuff is SILLY. And SO crude.

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Re: Ready for a sales flop then, MS?

Wait - what?

They really want people to pay for this?

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Re: Ready for a sales flop then, MS?

"Like it or not, BIOS has had its time "

No it hasn't. If anything we need something even simpler than the BIOS, not some over complicated pseudo OS like UEFI. All the ROM code has to do is allow you to change some boot and hardware settings then boot the OS.

Thats it.

Nothing more!

I don't need built in drivers because I don't want the OS to use them. If drivers need updating I'll update the OS drivers , I DO NOT want to have to reflash the fecking firmware!

I don't need a "boot policy manager". If there are any user policies required I'll set them up in the OS thanks.

I don't need a "shell" to execute EFI applications. If I want to run an app I'll do it within the OS.

If I wanted an OS built into ROM then I'll get an old 8 bit micro out of the cupboard and play with the built in BASIC. In the meantime Intel can take UEFI and shove it when the keyboard LEDs don't shine.

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Re: Ready for a sales flop then, MS?

"...All the ROM code has to do is allow you to change some boot and hardware settings then boot the OS...."

Yes, it's really that simple. I'm sure that the engineers at Intel, Apple, IBM, HP, Dell, MS, etc. etc. are all wrong and someone on the Internet who can't string a coherent argument based on anything other than what he wants, is correct.

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Re: Ready for a sales flop then, MS?

"Yes, it's really that simple."

Yes , it is actually. They've been managing it for 40 years.

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The 11 year Hitch . . .

That launch date is one day later than it ought to be. Why, you ask ... ?

The full public retail launch date of Windows XP was on Thursday 25th October 2001.

It would make sense for Windows 8 full launch to be on Thursday 25th October 2012.

Two of the most important major release versions of Windows released exactly 11 years apart.

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Re: The 11 year Hitch . . .

Two of the most important major release versions of Windows released exactly 11 years apart?

what, ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Major (domestic) releases

Win95

Win98SE (at a push)

WinXP

Win7

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Re: The 11 year Hitch . . .

Win 95 -> Win 8

These are the major releases, win8 is completely different from any other OS, but haters gunna hate

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101 days until...

...Windows Doomsday.

That's my impulsive response, anyway.

In reality, this "launch" will pass without very many people even noticing, much less caring - more so even than the infamously lame Windows 7 Launch Party®. The nearest thing to any actual "excitement" will come months later, when Vole is forced to concede that Tiles® 8 is an abysmal flop, along with the equally fugly and unintuitive Orifice 2013.

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Re: 101 days until...

Is this the same as the wonderfully retro 80's wallpaper iOS? So basic even those without a brain can use it and as fugly as its user base.

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Re: 101 days until...

Surely Orifice is a more suitable alias for Open Office....

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Re: 101 days until...

Only if it's an Open Orifice....

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Re: 101 days until...

...tough crowd :(

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Re: 101 days until...

Actually, Mr. Iron, the word (in this context) was originally coined in reference to a piece of (albeit white-hat) hackers' software called Back Orifice, which is "a word play on Microsoft BackOffice Server", and "its purpose was to demonstrate the lack of security in Microsoft's operating system Windows 98".

TBH, not much has changed in the last 14 years (except on the surface, and even then not exactly for the better).

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Windows 8 Metro, it's really just Vista reincarnate

Just when I thought Microsoft had learned a lot of really, REALLY important lessons after the whole Windows Vista fiasco, Microsoft shows the world that it has a very, VERY short memory, and likes to make REALLY BAD mistakes over and over again.

Boycott Windows 8, and show Microsoft that the user still holds the key to Microsoft's success.

Metro, may as well call it Malware.

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Re: Windows 8 Metro, it's really just Vista reincarnate

Vista wasn't this bad.

MetroUI is a total and utter disaster, Microsoft have put the need to sell up all new apps above users needs from an operating system.

I won't be putting Windows 8 on any of our 1000 or so desktops, and any new hardware that comes with it, will be downgraded to Windows 7.

The longer Microsoft continue with their new Microsoft Bob, the longer they will lose marketshare.

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Re: Windows 8 Metro, it's really just Vista reincarnate

Ok Tristan. How exactly is Win8 'Vista incarnate'. Let's look at the whole Vista fiasco. First of all, it was not a commercial flop as it deployed to millions of PCs and I still know people who are running it. It was, however, an engineering cockup, with a architecture, driver model and security which caused no end of problems with hardware compatibility. Then there was the slowdown due to countless background tasks. So good riddance Vista. But hang on, what has this got to do with Win8 ? Vista's UI elements, such as Aero Glass, the new task switcher, etc., proved very popular. Win8's UI elements (i.e., Metro) have been subjected to a lot of criticism (not from me), but even the Preview (beta) releases of Win8 have proved surprisingly stable and fast. So much so, in fact, that I would consider Win8 Release Preview faster and more reliable than Vista ever was, and it's still not the release build.

Is it possible you're just hopping on the Luddite, Win8 bashing bandwagon ? ;-)

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Re: Windows 8 Metro, it's really just Vista reincarnate

Actually, the problem here was in the analogy. Vista was a poor move as, apart from anything else, it was incomplete. If anything, Windows 7 is everything that Vista should have been and then some, and the comparison between W8 and Vista doesn't really stand up.

The comparison between W8 and Bob, however, has a lot more weight. Bob was an attempt to change the front end to work with a specific demographic but seriously miscalculated the uptake based on an oversimplified, even patronising, design. Go look up the various sites on the subject to see examples. Microsoft are trying to cut their overheads by setting up a single OS and setting the front end to the lowest common denominator without considering what this is likely to mean to other users.

Of course, this hasn't stopped third parties already looking at ways to get around all this. I've already tried ViStart and Stardock's outpourings, each with advantages and disadvantages at this point, and I suspect that this will continue to develop if Microsoft insist that the Metro front end and the bastardisation of the Windows 7 GUI underneath is to become the norm, but I suspect that while this might (and only might) be a good replacement for some of the small device systems that MS has put out, it has serious flaws for laptop and desktop users that may see the OS condemned to the same fate as old Bob. That would be a shame because there is promise otherwise.

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Linux

October 26th is PENGUIN DAY!

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History

Actually, it's dangerously close to Halloween.

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Or looking at it another way

October 26th is Linux on the desktop day.

err...

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October 26th. Sorry MS - busy that day. I've an intensive nose picking session planned, and its going to be far more satisfying than enduring Metro on a non-touch PC.

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Can't wait - really looking forward to it!

And no, I'm being quite serious.

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Nurse! —He's got out of bed again.

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Yup, looking forward to it as well. Really liking Office 2013 too. Now they just need to announce WP8 release date and I am set for my winter spending spree :-)

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Someone's escaped from the asylum! You naughty boy you.

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Time to dig out...

..."101 Uses for a Dead Cat", and see how many can be applied to a crap OS.

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101 uses for a dead OS...

... 1) Artistic wall mural.

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Re: 101 uses for a dead OS...

Unartistic wall mural

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Fantastic

Can I install it on my HP Touchpad ?

Oh

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Hands up...

All those who are going to spend the night on the street, queuing up to buy as soon as the shops open...

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Re: Hands up...

I see that as a positive! Its users are not as stupid as to Q on a street, which is the EMPITOME of TRAGIC.

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Room 101

As that's clearly where Windows 8 will end up.

The fact it's locked down so you can't install any other browser, and can't install any other OS (as it forces the use of EFI rather than BIOS) means even hardware manufacturers will feel the pinch.

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Re: Room 101

I installed Chrome on it when I gave it a test. What's your point AC?

Not defending it or anything.

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Re: Room 101

"The fact it's locked down so you can't install any other browser".

Oh and how likely is that given the mess MS are in with the EU over its "technical error" in removing the browser ballot screen on new Windows PCs?

Not very, in my opinion.

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