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Buyers of Apple's "jaw-dropping" Retina display MacBooks are indeed picking their chins off the floor - in reaction to bizarre on-screen glitches blighting the expensive lap-warmers. Two fanboi-support forum topics have sprung up to detail problems encountered when the shiny kit runs Mac OS X Lion and is woken up from sleep. …

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Trollface

That's not a Mac fault, that's a Reality Distortion Field fault.

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Close, but no cigar

Intel video driver on Linux in some of the 3.2 kernels had a similar bug which got fixed. IIRC It was the kernel / direct rendering manager portion not xorg.

These pics look almost the same as my Intel based Lenovo used to look quite often for a few months back. It stopped doing it after the most recent 3.2 kernel update.

So let's not blame the RDF prematurely. You have some well known graphics stalwarts at work so my default assumption would be to point the blame at them first.

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Joke

No, it's what you get for looking at it with your old 3rd-party retinæ.

You need to upgrade your iBalls.

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Trollface

To me, those screencaps look like actual visual representations of the RDF in action... Wonder if maybe it's just a bit of RDF debugging code left in by accident.

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thats not a redraw issue...

... thats your retina peeling off the back of your eyes

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Why didn't they wait?

Clearly as the article mentions it's some kind of driver issue. Frankly it's really odd that Apple didn't release the new OS alongside the new machines anyway. Everyone is going to be upgrading in a few weeks (Apple are offering free OS upgrades to the owners of the new machine).

Looks like the Retina support has been hacked onto Lion. One would assume in Mountain Lion things will work properly.

Apple should clearly have waited. That way they could have built up stocks of the machines (mine was ordered over a week ago and isn't due until 2nd week of August) as well as had the new OS on the machines!

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Re: Why didn't they wait?

Not the first time they've been screwed by NVidia. The drivers for iMacs locked up and lets not forget the Macbook Pros that needed logic board replacements as NVidia's GPU chips were badly packaged and the solder failed (Nvidia admitted liability in the end).

I really wish Apple would consider using both Intel and AMD processors.

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Re: Why didn't they wait?

"I really wish Apple would consider using both Intel and AMD processors."

and how would that help a graphics card driver issue?

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Re: Why didn't they wait?

When was the last time you bought AMD, 1995?

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Re: Why didn't they wait?

@David

The i3/i5/i7 processors come with Intel HD graphics built in and it appears the bug is related to switching between the inbuilt (processor supported) and card based graphics, a different choice (i.e. AMD APU/inbuilt graphics) *may* affect how the bug is exhibted?

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Re: and how would that help a graphics card driver issue?

AMD processors come with nice integrated Radeon graphics engines.

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Re: and how would that help a graphics card driver issue?

The built in graphics in the APU is fine but compare performance for the CPU part with Intel and you'll see why Apple stayed away.

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They're probably just....

.... holding it wrong.

Never mind, I hung it on the back of the door so I didn't need to hunt through the pile.

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Anonymous Coward

Re: They're probably just....

3rd party code to blame this time.

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Re: They're probably just....

To be fair, could be. I have an a piece of software on my Windows 7 box that when you select it to graph under certain conditions does some very strange things to the display. Not as pretty an effect as the Mac mind!

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No excuse

As the main reason Apple give for being so restrictive on hardware and not allowing anyone else to run OSX is to prevent exactly this kind of thing. They claim it gives them better quality control but given it is on such a limited range of hardware they obviously skipped over the testing this time round.

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Re: They're probably just....

Personally, and I'm a Mac fan, I don't think they can hide behind a third party code defence.

After all one of the big advantages claimed to justify the initial price of a Mac is is that they're a fusion of hard and software developed as a package, so regardless of who wrote the video driver it should have been tested better. Shipping with video driver issues isn't on in a "premium" product.

Mac's like Stella Artois should be reassuringly expensive... ;-)

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Re: They're probably just....

Agreed with you right until you mentioned Stella Artois...

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Re: They're probably just....

and the amusing thing about that is that Stella is just cheap plonk in its home market, it's only sold as "reassuringly expensive" to dumb drinkers that don't know any better.

Now what does that remind you of?

Mine's an iLager...

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Actually...

I see that happen to Windows 7 all the time. On both AMD and NVidia kits.

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Re: Stella

C'est "batteur de femme".

Not "wife beater".

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Re: Stella

Whenever I think of Stella Artois I think of chav pissheads buying cans from the Offy!

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Anonymous Coward

Does Danielbrown start with the word 'So' in an attempt to sound more intelligent, or to let us know from the word go (or so) that he's a dick?

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Worth logging in...

...just to upvote and applaud you sir or madam. There's been far too much of this sort of thing recently.

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At least...

... He didn't start with um... Or one of its variants.

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At least...

He didn't start with "um" or one of its variants.

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Fanboi?

Pah, a proper fanboi will tell you that any problem with an Apple product is your own fault because you're doing it wrong...and I say this as someone who owns and enjoys a number of Apple products.

Judging by the number of EFI updates associated with Thunderbolt on my last-gen MBP, Apple is running a bit ahead of itself with display tech.

Suspend/resume behaviour has been a weakspot of every laptop I've ever owned. Ubuntu on a Thinkpad made me want to poke my own eyes out.

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Re: Fanboi?

AFAIK suspend/resume is shitty when you're not using Windows because the ACPI writers mainly target Windows machines and couldn't give a f**k about the rest. Not sure if Apple do their own ACPI implementation.

(ACPI is a interpreted language that runs in kernel mode that tell the OS about the hardware capabilities of the machine. They are invariably very poorly written).

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ACPI?

Basically, Apple have three models of notebooks, so they don't need any kind of ACPI or even BIOS at all - they can hardcore all their HW specifics into bootloaders, drivers, HAL and OS itself.

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Re: ACPI?

Yet they use EFI, which is the replacement for BIOS. EFI has BIOS compatibility so Boot Camp will work.

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Reply?

"El Reg asked Apple whether this is an issue they are investigating, and how they intend to patch it, but have as yet received no reply."

*sigh* You'll crack Apple one day El Reg. Shame they've put you in their spam filter though. You may want to register th3regist3r.co.uk and try that. *sniggers*

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Re: Reply?

Personally, I think that "not talking to The Register" issue is quite simply so petty and unprofessional that I'm surprised a company like Apple can make such a decision at all.

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Re: "petty and unprofessional"

What's in it for Apple? They've got enough money and power to make Solomon blush, and there's no shortage of tech publications that don't say nasty, hurtful, mean things about them.

Mind you, its probably institutional now; I doubt anyone even remembers the whole Jagwire thing, and its just taken as read that the names of the Forsaken carved into Steve's Big Stone Slab of Shame are not to be forgotten or erased under any circumstances.

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Re: "petty and unprofessional"

"nasty, hurtful, mean things" == truth

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Re: Reply?

Apple probably see El Reg as "small fish", however not when it's one of the top 250 sites in the UK and top 3000 consistantly around the world. It's just funny every Apple article has the same "unavailable to comment" line each time. I think we get the message El Reg.

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Re: Reply?

Indeed.

@ElReg, just assume that we know you've contact Apple for a response and they haven't replied. You can surprise us off our chairs one day when/if they ever reply ;-)

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Trollface

"I think we get the message"

But evidently Apple don't.

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Devil

Re: "I think we get the message"

Funny how they remembered El Reg for this story though...

Apple will only reinstate mute kids' app if makers win patent case

"Apple are making no official comment on the case, but we were given an off-the-record briefing."

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Re: Reply?

I can only assume most of the readers here don't remember what The Register originally looked like.

"Biting the hand that feeds IT" has always been up there in the masthead, but El Reg also had another slogan: "Integrity? We've heard of it!" This seems to have faded out of use in recent years, which is a shame as it made it clear exactly where the site stood. There was also a truly laser-like focus on IT matters.

Sadly, the British concept of the 'Red-Top' tabloids doesn't really exist on the other side of The Pond, so that element has also faded away. All that's left is the attempts at Sun-like sub-headings.

I preferred the site when it was more focused on its core subject matter, its satire more biting, and a heavier load of irony and wit. Most of all, it the content selection and writing style is all over the place now. We might get solid, serious, reviews, while the next piece might be a bit from the Out-Law folks, followed by some biting bit of irony-laden satire, a retrospective on some old microcomputer, and a Special Projects Bureau update on the best cure for the morning after the night before. And on top of all that, there's a random sprinkling of Climateballs pieces.

And that's before you get to the likes of Matt Asay, the purpose of whom I have yet to ascertain, let alone why I'm expected to give a flying toss what the FOSSer thinks about anything.

There's no consistency. At all. Which might not be a bad thing, but then there's the poor quality control, with factual errors, typos, and whatnot.

This is the internet. You cannot hope to be first every time. What you can aim for is to be right.

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Re: "petty and unprofessional"

that the new definition of honesty then? nasty hurtful and mean?

guess you use the wikipedia version of the dictionary then

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Breaking News!

Matt Assay thinks!

And, as to its purpose... it probably appeals to the same sort of people who talk meaningless management-consultancy waffle in meetings. The people that El Reg used to laugh at have become its audience, and even its writers.

Yes, I too think this is sad. In retirement, a long way away from everything that I ever worked with, it remains my sole daily link with the industry. Sometimes, though, I wonder about getting that coat...

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"high-powered NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M"

lol

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Display glitches

Have seen them on every computer/OS I've ever used at one time or another, OS X windows that stall while minimising are the weirdest though, as they're usually still fully functional mid warp, forcing a screen refresh usually fixes things.

Also, how can there be no icon for "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"

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Re: Display glitches

I have not seen any display glitch in the in the past 20 years. That on a wide range of machines, windows, many flavors of unix, even os x. (Although I don't have the new macbook.)

Or are you just telling us that display glitches are perfectly normal?

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Re: Display glitches

"I have not seen any display glitch in the in the past 20 years."

You're not looking hard enough. Types of glitches vary with era, around 20 years ago, you could point your finger to the video ram, and would probably be right. Nowadays, much more likely to be software/drivers.

I wouldn't say glitches are common, but they do happen.

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Windows compatible?

Looks like Windows compatibility to me; this crap Windows XP laptop here at work does that if I actually have to use it to do real work rather than just mail and web and reading PDFs. Ie. running MATLAB and an IDE and compilations. It runs out of handles and everything goes to shit.

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Re: Windows compatible?

Download Process Explorer and see what app is taking all the handles. The last time I came across this it was due to a handle leak in some Pointsec software. You could see the handle count ticking up every minute.

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From my experience

It's only when you've got the display settings on anything other than that which is marked "best for retina" in the System Preferences, and, in the event that it does occur, it's as simple as changing the display resolution (as mentioned in the article).

The first thing I did when I got mine was change my resolution to the largest amount of scaling (smallest text size - Apple's done away with the concept of xxxx by xxxx resolution). Then, I noticed the weirdness after coming out of sleep, and upon changing the resolution noticed it went away. For some reason, I then decided to just leave it at "Best fro retina" - perhaps, because it's name suggested that it would behave? - and then the problem hasn't come back since.

So - IMHO - "Best for retina" is "best for retina" (and isn't "huge" enough to cause me much heartache until they get the overarching problem resolved.)

that's my $.02 (or two pence if you will)

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Re: From my experience

Apple's done away with the concept of xxxx by xxxx resolution.

No they haven't. That's an underlying property of the system. They've just finally gotten around to hiding it, like they eventually do with everything remotely technical.

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an ordinary poor people's computer

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God, it's like using an ordinary poor people's computer

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Journalism on the web: literacy not a pre-requisite.

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