Our relationship with EPEAT has become stronger as a result of this experience...
they know we will dump them if they don't approve our kit
Mere days after the City of San Francisco announced that it would ban departmental purchases of Apple products over environmental concerns, Cupertino has reversed its decision to withdraw from the Electronic Product Environmental Assessment Tool (EPEAT) green standards program. "We’ve recently heard from many loyal Apple …
they know we will dump them if they don't approve our kit
Um actually it's more like 4 countries will dump apple including the US at the federal level.
Translation of translation..
Oh crap.. They buy how much Apple gear??
Quick.. put the stickers back on, and pretend nothing happened.
And crank the RDF generators up to 11!
Quote And crank the RDF generators up to 11!
Is it me being particularly thick on a Saturday morning or there is just no way for its gear to stay certified. Key requirement is ease of dissassembly for recycling purposes. Disassemble a new MacBook Pro or Macbook air anyone?
1. Introduce a new, silly company policy and wait for the backlash
2. Reverse the policy, bask in glory and wait for the herds.
"look forward to working with EPEAT as their rating system and the underlying IEEE 1680.1 standard evolve,"
"get them to change their silly rules"
Their silly rules are quite explicit in specifying that "joe average recyling plant worker" should be able to disassemble the kit for recycling. I do not quite see Apple current generation of kit complying to their "silly rules".
The really interesting part of the EPEAT CEO's statement wasn't included in this article:
We look forward to Apple’s strong and creative thoughts on ongoing standards development. The outcome must reward new directions for both design and sustainability, simultaneously supporting the environment and the market for all manufacturers’ elegant and high-performance products.
Sounds like EPEAT will be adjusting their adjusting their rules to bring them into line with Apple's standards.
Just takes a couple of screwdrivers, go check ifixit.com.
It's taking it apart in a way that you can then fix it *and then put it back together again* that is tricky for some parts, like the screen and battery/case assembly. This is not a consideration for recycling, where all the bits are to be separated permanently.
Nutter? Frisbee? Does the environmental lobby actually want to be taken seriously these days?
Or is somebody having a laugh with the names released to the press; it's only a matter of time before we see headlines like "Environmental spokespersons Mike Ockislong and Wanta Filyuep stated today..."
"Other officials will doubtless be pleased, as well. Many governmental bodies require EPEAT certification for IT purchases, including the US Department of Defense, NASA, Homeland Security, and the governments of Canada, Australia, and New Zealand."
Does that mean they are no longer going to glue the batteries to the laptop casing in a way that makes them completely non-removable and non-replaceable?
Also, does that mean they are going to stop bonding aluminium to glass and plastic in screen assemblies?
The particular machine you have in mind just received EPEAT Gold Certification, so you should have no worries about it's environmental credentials.
How is it possible that it has attained this certification when the bloody battery is still glued to the case, has someone tweaked the EPEAT requirements while no one was looking? If the laptop cannot easily be separated into its component parts for recycling whats the point. Looking at the "End of life" requirements on the website, anything glued or requiring manual separation is only an option???
I don't understand how they can glue the batteries to the case, but offer a same day in-store service at Apple stores to replace batteries in even the newest Macbook..
So I'm not getting this whole glued in thing. If they can replace the battery in store, therefore some smiling Apple droid can get the battery out fairly easily and can also put the new one in without making a mess with glue (or is it just me that happens to when using it?)
Apple has a battery kit that includes the battery and the top part of cover, they just replace that as a unit in store or at any authorised service centre.
Of course this results in extra aluminium but on the other hand they don't need to contain the entire battery in a polycarbonate protective case as regular batteries, since the computer itself acts as as shield. As we know from the difficulties in recycling old CDs, polycarbonate is not as recyclable as aluminium.
As with all Apple spare parts, I'm thinking in time we'll see these same kits being sold in parallel channels.
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Thank you for the information. The first sensible post I have read on El Reg regarding the new Macbook batteries and the only time someone has given proper information rather than jumping up and down like a 6 year old shouting "glue is bad".
When you consider the old removable batteries had a slab of aluminium on their base, as well as being encased in polycarbonate, it might actually be the new batteries are more environmentally friendly not less.
Indeed if they are fitted in the store or at a dealer, the battery will almost certainly be recycled and won't end up in the end users bin. I'm guessing Apple will indeed have a way of separating the battery from the aluminium for recycling because there will be money to be had from the scrap metal.
The actual big downside is still cost and inconvenience. But then again it is a big battery.
They replace the case as well as the battery.
Simple ... just swap the entire unit. Even a genius could do it. ;)
Real question is are they going to stop soldering memory to the MB. Makes for a difficult upgrade.
Does Rejoining EPEAT make it REPEAT?
Don't quit your day job.
You know - I must make a few spare accounts so I can upvote that one some more. Well spotted :)
The US DOD requires environmentally friendly computers? When you think of all the other kit they have...
"They train young men to rain fire upon people, but won't allow them to write 'Fuck' on their air-planes because it is obscene'
Have some Agent Orange for this movie citation!
Now can they say depleted uranium is EPEAT so their government can happily continue to purchase that too?
We don't buy that. It's a waste material that contractors machine into a barrel shaped thing. DP is also one of the very few optional things in the military. You can opt out of any vehicle that carries it.
Unfortunately you can't opt out of the vehicle being hit by one of these babies...and the results are particularly gruesome, even if you somehow survive the original shot.
How the heck does this even work? I thought they withdrew because there's no way their latest gluing-everything-in bullshit would get approved, and then they just waltz back in like nothing ever happened? How can the laptops now be approved when they couldn't before?
They admitted there's a secret recipe for removing the batteries so they can be dissambled to the requirements.
They weren't going to let the independent repairers know in case they bodged the job and damaged the owners equipment - or was it damaged Apples profit on repair jobs?
As another poster pointed out, you don't need to deglue the batteries because the mounting goes with it.
It makes sense when you realise that normal batteries are encased in polycarbonate but the new Apple ones are not. It looks like Apple will replace the battery and the bit its mounted onto. They'll take away the old assembly and recycle it themselves. Presumably they have the tech to separate the batteries prior to recycling.
It really doesn't appear to be as sinister as everyone is making out.
"On the contrary, he writes, Apple would like to see the existing EPEAT standards strengthened to include more of the environmental protection practices Cupertino uses in its manufacturing today"
Our products are designed to enhance profitability but hey that means we can recycle more.
Apple are looking more and more the bull in the china shop when it comes to marketing.
It's an old trick. The word 'strengthened' here means, as has been mentioned elsewhere, 'adjusted'. It really is as simple as that.
"On the contrary, he writes, Apple would like to see the existing EPEAT standards strengthened to include more of the environmental protection practices Cupertino uses in its manufacturing today..."
Namely, all the ones we have patents on.
So does that mean that any iPads purchased by US Governmental depts need to be sent back because they do not meet the requirements?
Or does this EPEAT requirement only apply to stuff that isn't "cool"?
It's not just Apple though, there are no tablets that are EPEAT registered in the US whatsoever.
Or none of the iPhones or the iPods. Ever. Their desktop products were pretty much it.
Being registered != being approved
It's a joke - using less and recyclable materials and having a proper policy for recycling old machines is far more 'green' than most. I've seen people upgrade laptop batteries and the old one goes in the office waste bin - dead green.