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Over the course of the last decade Panasonic all but vanished from the European consumer mobile phone market but it’s back with a bang with the Eluga - an acronym of ‘elegant user-oriented gateway’. Or at least back with a loud thump - the bang is really the Eluga Power, a 5in 720p Qualcomm Krait-powered beast due later this …

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Anonymous Coward

8GB storage? is it still 2007?

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It is a pretty little thing though, it wouldn't be difficult for all phones to be made in the same way, imagine, making a call dropping it in the urinal, accidentally pee on it for amfew moments, realise where it is, pick it up call a taxi and carry on!

Perfect.

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Anonymous Coward

What about the toilet?

Would you be willing to scrape the shit off?

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Re: What about the toilet?

After a quick rinse, why not.

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Re: What about the toilet?

You are either going to drop it down before you sit, or after you do, therefore the first retrieval would be water based.

The second would depend on the consistency, sitting on top of a log, no problem. Watching it submerge after a curry, that would take bravery.

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Re: What about the toilet?

Removing urine or shit from earpiece/mic holes, case edges, corners and socket covers is just not my idea of a good time. Call me weak but I'd just rather the phone died so I could claim on insurance.

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Re: 8GB storage?

Not all of us have three-dozen versions of the fart app downloaded on an iBone.

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Re: 8GB storage?

"Not all of us have three-dozen versions of the fart app downloaded on an iBone."

But some of us do like to carry music and books around with us.

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Re: 8GB storage?

Oh. Don't you use the Cloud?

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Slightly off topic but....

I was having a conversation with someone at work the other day about the new Apple water damage technology and we concluded that really, all moden mobile tech, games console, phone, mp3 player, camera should all have a minimum of shower proof tech built in, surely it should be possible by now to make everything shower proof, especially if this British summer weather continues, these are products we need!

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Re: Slightly off topic but....

Aha, producer interest vs consumer interest...

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Re: Slightly off topic but....

Well arn't producers supposed to listen to us, the consumer? There are so many ideas/suggestions on El Reg comment sections about what makes the perfect tablet/laptop/phone they should make us all a focus group! Infact, surely there is the basis of an article or two there, if we can vote on the worst film never made, how about we take a vote on the best mobile device never built.

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Re: Slightly off topic but....

I personally completely agree with you about this being a great feature. When the £200 Motorola Defy (waterproof, rugged) came out, I became actually obsessed with how I might get hold of one. But then the equal-performance Huawei Ascend G300 came out for £100 and I realised phones getting cheaper might solve the problem of them breaking more easily: it's not such a loss.

However, as far as manufacturers are concerned, needed features are a means of differentiating between differently priced tiers within their range: so you get something that has what you need - but at a price.

Ultimately what the consumer always wants, to have a better product for less which lasts longer, is in conflict with what the producer always wants, which is to give a worse product for more which has to be replaced sooner. The conflict in economics is known as "utility maximisation vs profit maximisation", I think.

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Re: Slightly off topic but....

".....surely it should be possible by now to make everything shower proof...." Cue smile. Just a few weeks ago a colleague ruined his iBone4 trying to prove the effectiveness of the "waterproof" cover he had bought online. Be very wary of any such claims of waterproofing if they do not meet something like a Mil spec.

/"Yeeaarggh" - kersplash!

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Probably

one for the ladeeez

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Re: Probably

Or those spending a lot of time on Porn sites! ;)

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but an … update is imminent

Almost every Android review says this. I wonder how many do come through with the promised upgrade. I'll give the benefit of the doubt here - <3 Panny.

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Just popping out to perform some field tests for the review.

In the pub at 2.38 Friday afternoon - long lunch or early finish?

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Re: Just popping out to perform some field tests for the review.

Late breakfast.

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A rectangle without rounded corners?

I wonder if Sony (nee Ericsson) will be bringing a lawsuit.

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WTF?

Why is battery life not a desirable feature anymore?

I rather like having a phone that can be used for literally more than one day without needing a full recharge. Surely I'm not alone in this? Cos it seems like there are precious few manufacturers pandering to my unreasonable market segment.

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Re: Why is battery life not a desirable feature anymore?

Motorola RAZR MAXX is basically the only game in town when it comes to battery life. It'd be nice for some others to get a clue, you're absolutely right.

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Re: Why is battery life not a desirable feature anymore?

Didn't Reghardware say that the Galaxy Advance would give you a couple of days?

Ahh, the golden days... when the battery lasted all week but call credit only lasted half an hour!

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Re: Why is battery life not a desirable feature anymore?

In a word, Apple. Like a lot of things they do with their flashy advertising they push how thin something is like that's a feature. Sadly this leads to other manufacturers following suit and they all get stuck on this endless fashion of producing thin phones where you can do so much but doing so will kill your battery in less than a day. I know for a fact that at least HTC view this as a market trend so it's safe to assume others do too. Software optimisations can only take you so far and with higher resolution screens, multi-core CPUs and other tech. inside batteries just haven't improved as much as the rest in order to keep up.

I own an HTC One X and the battery at 1800mAh is an improvement over my Desire HD's pathetic 1230mAh but it's software tweaks (some annoying ones) that apparently help battery more than increasing the size. I'd prefer to see a combination of battery and performance tweaks because if you just keep increasing the battery you'll end up where we do with Windows requirements - they just go up and up for the same performance as last year.

One of the power saving tweaks that bothers me most is also not something you can change using the default Sense skin. When it goes past midnight all data connections are disabled until around 8am. In fairness when I wake the phone up and unlock it the data connection is usually enabled before I can launch any apps but it also means any notifications are missed. I happen to be awake a lot past midnight and I could see it being a problem for others. Some manufacturers seem to be realising that people who own a smartphone would like to be able to use it and the RAZR MAXX was the first but hopefully not the last. After all, what's the point in owning a phone that can do so much if you have to disable everything to make it last a day?

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Re: Why is battery life not a desirable feature anymore?

Because they need to add more shiny things to make them all different.

I'm using an Xperia mini pro that has coped with 50 hours on a charge by removing all the stuff that Sony Ericsson helpfully left on it. Ease of replacing the rom is the first thing I look for on a phone now :)

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Re: Why is battery life not a desirable feature anymore?

The battery on my iphone lasts for ages - admittedly, I'm not a particularly heavy user of it. For example, I took it off the charger on Monday morning. It hasn't been charged since, and the battery is at 38%, which is good enough for me.

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Re: Why is battery life not a desirable feature anymore?

Thanks Steve Jobs Jr. for clearing this up for us. It's obviously user error. People just use their phones too much

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Re: Why is battery life not a desirable feature anymore?

Root and underclock.

I recently ran my old HTC Hero for 13 days on a charge, as it can underclock to 19MHz.

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Re: Why is battery life not a desirable feature anymore?

It's not about being a "fanboi" I think the original poster was trying to get accross the fact that FOR HIM the iPhone battery is more than adequate.

You do make your buying decisions based on whats right for YOUR needs don't you? I mean you wouldnt just buy an Apple iPhone or a <make>Android just because it looks nice?

I like El Reg but the absolute hatred of one camp or another is beginning to get to me know, it used to be Winblo$e vs Linux now its all Crapple vs Fandroids and it's getting a bit old

Come on people, the phone you get is the one YOU decided on, doesnt mean it's any better or worse than any other per se, just that one make / model might not meet YOUR requirements.

Personally, took my iPhone 4 on a 2 day safari round the Sahara, used my camera, 3G and email (Very) occasionally and didnt need to charge it once, now if that makes me Steve Jobs Jr then so be it.

Wouldnt it be nice if we could all just get along :-)

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Re: Why is battery life not a desirable feature anymore?

Agreed. My HTC Desire has an OEM 3aH battery now and it only needs charging twice a week - and that's just to ensure it has enough reserve for emergencies. If I didn't use it as a music player it could probably last a full week and never show orange on the battery meter.

One of my concerns when I replace it is that a lot of current models seem to have case designs that preclude fitting a larger battery. My colleague has the Desire HD and has to charge his phone every day to be safe :-/

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Re: Why is battery life not a desirable feature anymore?

And on your way around the Sahara were you thinking 'Safari so goodie'?

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Re: Why is battery life not a desirable feature anymore?

I fail to see how Apple has anything to do with the freemium apps on Android that suck off 60% of the battery's life...

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So near and yet so far

Looks nice - just needs 50% more battery and double the memory in order to compete - no-one would mind 2mm extra thickness.

Pint because beer proofing is the one USP.

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Perfect for the beach!

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Happy

Waterproof at1 metre for up to 30 minutes? Translated ...

that's the same as 3.5 hours in a SaiGon shower or 2 hours in a Da Nang monsoon!

Damn sight better than buying a replacement motherboard for an iThingy @ Dong2,000,000 every time in rains.

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If you'd used a pint,

you could have completely submerged the phone. Not a very thorough test.

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Re: If you'd used a pint,

Yes, but then he'd be risking Archimedes principle coming into play, and worst of all, spilling his pint...

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I think it's IP67 compliance that gives the dustproof/waterproofness, not IP57.

I'm the owner of a Sony Xperia Active which is also IP67 compliant. Very useful to go swimming with the kids. Not to mention the food and drink spillages that occur. The wet finger tracking is pretty good but listening and speaking are rather muted until the waterproof membrane bit dries out. However, the panasonic seems to have my Active beat on screen size and processor speed.

The Ruggedization nich seems to be spreading...

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IP rating

The first digit is for dust, the second is for water, technically you would need IP68 for complete protection but IP57 is just as waterproof as IP67.

Interestingly level 7 only states that that water will not enter in quantaties sufficiant to damage the device. So it's fine for using in the rain and it will save the phone if you drop it in the bath but it's not really designed for taking the phone swimming.

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the perfect "night out" handset

Clearly, battery life won't be an issue. You won't be using it as a media player so the battery should last.

Ideal for Saturday nights out, some texting, Facebook and Google maps for restaurants.

Nice to see Panasonic back on the scene. My first three handsets were Panasonic. G520, gd93 & gd87.

This one looks ideal for outdoors professional types.

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Bahh..

My HP Pre 3 surived a several minute ride in the washing machine.

Admittedly it had to be dried out before I turned it back on, and the screen has some blotches at the bottom (nothing too bad), but it still works!

I wouldn't recommend it, though ;-)

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Happy

Can we have...

...more weatherproof phone reviews please.

Beerproofness is an acceptable proxy test, but only if the reviewer is also beerproof.

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They really ought to just market this off the fact that it's waterproof and nothing else

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As a watersports fanatic (no not the urine sort) .....

This would be a killer feature for me, and a useful safety feature as I'd be able to have it with me out at sea in case I got in trouble. However, the pint test isn't sufficient, can someone test it for four hours inside a wetsuit?

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Re: As a watersports fanatic (no not the urine sort) .....

no need to test it, it would fail.

it's rated to handle up to 1 metre depth for 30 minutes I would think it would fail quite quickly if you went beyond those limits.

of course those ratings are only valid while the phone is in 100% perfect condition, I would fancy your chances even less after the waterproof charger socket cover has been opened and closed a few dozen times

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