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Julian Assange™ has spent his third night in the Ecuadorian embassy in London as he continued to await the outcome of his plea for political asylum from the South American country. In the meantime, the WikiLeaker-in-chief has been grumbling to a radio station that his homeland of Australia had ditched him in his hour of need. …

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Ditching him in his hour of need?

There might be a few (non-mutually exclusive) reasons for this:

a) Oz do not want to tick off the USA

b) Oz find him tiresome

Whining does not win many people over I am afraid.

Mine is the one with the Barmah hat (not an ozzie myself, though)

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Re: Ditching him in his hour of need?

Or... Here's the most logical solution.

They didn't ditch him, never have, but Julian has a strange idea about what consular assistance can and cannot be provided.

They can't argue for you in court, or get you out of jail. If you're being mistreated as compared to a local then they can take action.

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c) Australia already have an extradition treaty arrangement with Sweden and the UK (which they do) and they know any objections at this stage would be futile.

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Well, really, the logical explanation is that he is simply trying to avoid extradition to Sweden because he knows he is guilty of breaking Swedish laws..

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Re: Ditching him in his hour of need?

Julia Gillard - she is a public servant that plays along with the US global nazi regeime - she is not however Australia, nor is she a leader. She is just a chick on the public payroll.

It's also interesting to note that John Winston Howard, as a war mongering bullshit artist extraordinair, in my opinion as from one scam artist to another, he was and in genuinely frightened of George Bush and co., who is a drug fucked sociopath - with nukes.

His shit detectors hit red and he went all suck arse to the Coke Toting Lad Financed by the Rothschild Bank...

As I recall, the two women involved with this, it was a policitally motivated / driven CIA plant, by these two to set him up....

EVERY thing about this case is corrupt and crooked from the word go...

The people who are on the public payroll in Australia, ARE playing kiss arse to the American Nazis, and are gutlessly putting up and shutting up and bullshitting their way out of it, so that Assange goes down, and they go, "Ohhh tsk, tsk, tsk, but we never knew that this was going to happen and we did all we could to protect him..." - All the while fully knowing the American's game plan well in advance - of "We will get him and kill him, and if you fuck with us in the process - we will kill you too."

As a previous commenter noted, "However when considering this case one must remember that Sweden has a fast-track rendition treaty with the US (look up "temporary rendition) and that the US have a closed indictment ready."

I don't know if that IS true, but I believe it would be true......

If you want to know how the fucking American Bank / Military / Corporate complex works, see this text and these videos.

War is a Racket by Smedley Butler

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4377.htm (has Audio)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0

Eisenhower Farewell Address (Full) where he warns of the Military Industrial Complex.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfY

Robert Newmans History of Oil

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5267640865741878159

John Pilgers "War on Democracy".

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148

War made Easy

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8383084962209910782

Food Incorporated (it all begins to tie in here)

http://vimeo.com/34457916

Fuel (2008) (have to search for this one)

http://thefuelfilm.com/

Look up on the US Federal Reserve - and the Fractional Lending Scam.

The American Dream Film-Full Length

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGk5ioEXlIM

Masters of the Universe, The Secret Birth of the Federal Reserve

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrwQac7IxkM

And there is MORE of the same and similar information available.

Check out how Monsanto operates - as a for instance.

Percy Schmeiser Vs. Monsanto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzqLZSCsRLs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jsuhJ2mrf8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zXga2EKev8

When Assange and Co, lit this fire, this is the core of the issues that are being exposed.

It's not the diplomatic emails of where one US senator calls someone from some country a stupid fuck or that got released - it's the exposure of the whole racket - and how people are tying in the loose ends - that they are living in the "global matrix" of a scam - of finacial fraud, fake tax, wars for profit, that we no longer have a democracies, that we are living as unwitting shareholders in a corporation....

Our countries are corporate states...

This kind of all rounds it out...

Mike Daisey: Sleeping With The Enemy - Collaborating with Corporations Sells out the Human Race

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2011/11/01/3352340.htm

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Re: Ditching him in his hour of need?

Did someone eat too many wheaties this morning? Go see your mom. She'll know what to do.

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BINGO

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Re: "Did someone eat too many wheaties this morning?"

"I'll have what they're having (points to someone eating bowl of cereal at another table)."

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Wow! That has to be a wind-up? Surely no-one could be that silly?

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Surely..

...it can't be that difficult to get him into a blacked-out Mercedes, and to make for the nearest airfield with a waiting Learjet???

Much ado about nothing methinks.

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I should add that the Learjet would be flying to Ecuador, not Guantanamo Bay...

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I don't think his problem is with being extradited from Sweden to the US, that clearly isn't going to happen with all the publicity around this case.

More likely the aircraft he's on will have "technical difficulties" mid flight. That or shortly after arriving in sweden he'll get sick or he'll commit suicide.

But extradition is highly unlkely, unless that's what they want you to think.

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Re: Surely..

"...it can't be that difficult to get him into a blacked-out Mercedes, and to make for the nearest airfield with a waiting Learjet???"

I think the police can arrest him as he walks out of the embassy, before he gets into the car. They could park it against the doors of the building, and try to block them, but isn't their embassy inside a block, so the police might be allowed inside the lobby anyway.

Perhaps they could open the sunroof, and he could jump out the window and land straight on the seat?

Anyway he's also got to get out of the car, and into the aeroplane. Plus it would create a diplomatic incident, and piss off the British government. We might send a rude note to their ambassador.

The Daily Telegraph got an ex government legal bod to help them. He said that the only way he could think of would be to make Assange their representative to the UN. That might give him retrospective immunity that worked in the UK, which they can't otherwise do. But the police would probably arrest him, and then it would back to the High Court, Court of Appeals, Supreme Court, European Court of Justice...

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>>"More likely the aircraft he's on will have "technical difficulties" mid flight. That or shortly after arriving in sweden he'll get sick or he'll commit suicide."

Difficult to know what to say to that, since, as with much conspiracy nuttiness, it seems impossible to tell whether you're a joker taking the piss, or a fool being serious.

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Surely it can b e difficult. The Ecuadorian Embassy is in a walk-up flat and there are about a dozen steps to get to the street. Even if he got to a car, it would be stopped, he'd be arrested on additional charges, and Ecuador would be in diplomatic trouble. He's already in trouble for breach of bail - if he tries to flee there would be criminal charges as well.

Assange has no chance of getting into a car and Ecuador knows that. More likely, Ecuadorian President Correa is using Assange as a tool to negotiate for something he wants from Great Britain,, possibly improved trade status, in exchange for happily turning Assange over to London police.

Isn't it strange that Assange chose Ecuador? Correa is someone that passionately suppresses freedom of the press. He's filed personal defamation lawsuits against journalists who disagree with him, has tried to force independent radio and TV stations out of business, and temporarily shut down radio and TV stations that criticized him. In June 9, Correa told his ministers to stop granting interviews with private journalists.

Assange's own show is financed by the Kremlin. Russia isn't exactly y known as a promoter of the free press, either.

Anyone else see a selfish pattern here?

For Assange, freedom of the press is less important than attacking the United States and saving his own conceited ass.

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"......More likely the aircraft he's on will have "technical difficulties" mid flight....." Why? Don't forget, the thing the WH/NSA/CIA want most is a discredited A$$nut, and at the moment his ego-trip moaning is making him look even more of a prime-time loser. The Obumbler must be rubbing his hands with glee at the thought that A$$nut scarpering off to Ecuador will probably keep the matter from coming to a head until after the US elections.

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>> I should add that the Learjet would be flying to Ecuador, not Guantanamo Bay...

Nice try CIA.

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Re: Isn't it strange that Assange chose Ecuador?

"Ecuador has made friendly noises about Assange in the past. In the November 2010, at the height of the media storm over WikiLeaks' disclosures, its government appeared to offer him sanctuary, and on Assange's newly-launched television talk show — which interviewed Correa via videolink earlier this year — the pair swapped jokes and messages of encouragement."

"It was during the interview that Assange received an offer of asylum, according to a woman who was present during the shows and familiar with the offer. She spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to speak to the media."

If we were were on the run, I suppose we would have picked Lichtenstein, but given Ecuador's previous offer of support, it had to be the country at the top of JA's list.

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Newsflash Julian - you were in court for extradition to answer questions about an alledged rape.

The only connection with US is in your head you narcissistic fucktard.

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Well its not like the USA have ever done the same in the past.....

Oh wait.

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The man is grinding my gears now

My mind is finding it harder and harder to associate "Julian Assange (TM)" with "Wikileaks" and easier to associate him with the term "bail jumping, narcissistic publicity whore".

The US don't need to go to any lengths to kill the credibility of Wikileaks, sadly. Julian Asshole is doing a superlative job himself.

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I am sad to say I agree, then again it would not surprise me if he is, or feels he is, very very alone with hes ego.

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With an ego that big he's never going to feel alone..

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Re: Whiney Man Child

"Well its not like the USA have ever done the same in the past.....

Oh wait."

Got any real world examples? Or is this all just something you saw in a movie once?

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The only connection with US is in your head you narcissistic fucktard.

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Apart from the fact that details of the US sealed endictment against Assange has been publically leaked, he might be a paranoid "narcissistic fucktard" - but that doesn't mean that they aren't out to get him, whether he deserves it or not, he is quite right to be petrified.

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Err...

As if a member of the commonwealth is going to prevent another member of the commonwealth from extraditing one of its citizens to face questioning/trial in what is to all realistic intents and purposes an EU country. Not only that but one of the fairest places in the world to have to face any form of justice, with one of the penal systems most respectful to the prisoners it keeps.

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Bail terms

It's hard to see how bail terms that prohibit requesting political asylum is not a violation of human rights.

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Are you for real? The bail terms are there to prevent fleeing from justice. It's not a human rights issue in the slightest.

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Because if they didn't Assange would be free to pursue justice for these ridiculous charges from a place where they aren't openly manipulating his ticket to Guantanamo Bay.

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If he'd applied for asylum before he *knew* he was going to be extradited, he would have had time to make the application, return home for his curfew and await their decision - so the bail conditions did not prevent him from applying for aslyum.

He has conducted himself in a very unbecoming manner which will make most people lose whatever faith they might have had in him - especially the people who ponied up his bail.

It looks like he has played himself just enough rope to hang himself.

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"It's hard to see how bail terms that prohibit requesting political asylum is not a violation of human rights."

Erm they don't, they prevent him from leaving a specific address between specific times. Applying for asylum isn't what has broken the terms, staying out past his curfew is....

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You may not request political asylum in a month without an "R".

We gottcha.

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Lack of comprehension from our Jules

"he told Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) that the country where he was born had made an "effective declaration of abandonment" by declining to apply any political pressure to prevent Assange from being extradited to Sweden to face allegations of sexual molestation, rape and coercion."

What part of European Arrest Warrant does he not understand?

It's not extradition. The UK government and courts aren't supposed to get involved. The idea is supposed to be that all EU countries are equal, and we're therefore allowing their police to serve arrest warrants the same way ours can. There's no right for the Home Secretary to stop this, in the same way there isn't supposed to be for that other shitty extradition treaty we signed with the US. Therefore there's no avenue for Australia to use political pressure. Countries tend to get very pissed off, if other governments try to interfere with their judicial processes.

Now Julian has gone to a lot of court hearings. But all the stuff complaining about Swedish procedures and the way they went about their charges is a complete red herring. The UK courts are not supposed to have any jurisdiction over that. The only question that mattered is, does the treaty break something in our unwritten constitution. The Supreme Court ruled that even though Sweden has combined prosecutor/magistrates, whereas our police have to get warrants from independent judges, this was OK, and the treaty stands.

Perhaps if Assange stuck to complaining about stuff that's relevant, he might do better. He applied for residency in Sweden, so it's a bit late to complain about their laws now, and complain they're a banana republic. He should face the charges under the system he was happy to live under 18 months ago.

There's also no point complaining to the UK or Australian governments about it. If he didn't want to go back to Sweden, he should have run away to somewhere outside the EU.

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Re: Lack of comprehension from our Jules

Some time ago I suggested that the UK ought to obtain an undertaking from Sweden that Assange will not be deported from Sweden to any third country without first being offfered free passage back to the UK. I was told by another poster that we do not need such an undertaking, because it's already built in to the EU arrest warrant system. (Can anyone confirm?)

Draw your own conclusions.

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Cynically I think Mr Assange is picking countries based on the legal system. It would seem that the possible charges of which he is being accused in the various countries he might reside in, would be 'sex by surprise' in Sweden, "Rape" in the UK, and be innocent in Ecuador.

Not being cynical, this must just be a coincidence and Mr Assange's asylum application will be entirely based on Ecuador's record on 'Freedom of Speech'.

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It is built into the terms of the system. Basically if Sweden wish to extradite him, the request would have to go through both our system and the Swedish one.

I believe I've seen quotes from both UK and Swedish government spokespeople to this effect.

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'sex by surprise'

Known as "non-consentual sex" in Sweden and most other parts of the world, actually, but yes.

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Yes - both Swedish legal experts (one of whom is a judge as well) has made this quite clear. Under the EAW Sweden must ask the UK whether or not Assange can be extradited to the US.

A direct US<->Sweden treaty exist, which complicate stuff. However, that also pose the regular problems for our friends in the 5-gallon hats: first, they must charge Assange with something which IS a crime in Sweden (accepting documents from an informer is not), secondly they must not charge him with something he'll be executed for (espionage is PARTICULARLY complicated), and ...

The complications go on and on and on and on and we've not even touched 'pon the publicity shitstorm that would occur should they decide to break the rules.

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Don't forget that for the US to extradite anyone from a signatory to the European Convention of Human Rights they have to take the death penalty off the table, and any other cruel and unusual punishment,

Personally I think Wa Julian is a cruel and unusual punishment for the rest of us.

I suspect that it would be more difficult for the US to get him out of Sweden than the UK as well, so do you know what, I think he's more afraid of being charged with a sex offence in Sweden than he is anything else.

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It's all a mess

Only one thing is abundantly clear amongst all this mess:

Whoever you are, wherever you go and whatever you do, be careful where you dip your wick.

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In the meantime, the WikiLeaker-in-chief has been grumbling to a radio station that his homeland of Australia had ditched him in his hour of need.

When was the last time he lived in Australia, seems to me he had ditched them quite some time ago.

Before adding: "BUT there is no doubt that Assange has a real fear of being extradited to the US nor that the US gov is out to get WikiLeaks."

If the US wanted him what make him think the UK would say no any different to sweden?

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He's a commonwealth citizen, not a British citizen. It's far harder to extradite Assange from the UK than Sweden because of the convoluted nature of the Commonwealth system.

Seems to be something that is willfully ignored by those that for some reason have an issue with him trying to stop himself being executed for doing nothing wrong.

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Other than the fact that the UK has to agree to his extradition from Sweden to the US. In effect were he to return to Sweden it would be doubly difficult for the US to have him extradited.

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Jeebus,

Have you got some evidence for that?

I wasn't aware that there was a commonwealth extradition procedure. So far as I understand the law, if you're in Blighty then our courts will respond to an extradition request from a country with which we have an arrangement. If it's the US, then you're supposed to just get sent out there, and all they need do is provide a court warrant asking for you. If it's the EU, then the same. Otherwise it's the normal process, where the requesting party must provide the evidence, and UK courts decide whether there looks to be a case to answer. Plus they rule if that country will shoot or torture you. Then finally the Home Secretary gets to sign off on it, or refuse, which is the point at which political/diplomatic pressure can come to bear.

So far as I understand it, that last stage is the only time Australia could intervene, other than in giving Assange normal consular services, i.e. helping him find a lawyer.

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"...trying to stop himself being executed for doing nothing wrong."

Assange is a fantasist with a massive ego problem and delusions of potence. He *has* to be enemy #1 of the US, or he's just a pissant little gadfly of limited relevance and even less power. Bin Laden, he is not - though he somehow magically thinks the US is actually threatened by him and his games. Megalomania, I'd say - and apparantly, you actually believe him, which I find rather entertaining.

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>>"He's a commonwealth citizen, not a British citizen. It's far harder to extradite Assange from the UK than Sweden because of the convoluted nature of the Commonwealth system."

Assuming that that's actually true, why was he being lauded as some kind of genius for his intention to reside in Sweden before this whole thing started?

If it would have been easier for 'them' to 'get' him from Sweden than from the UK, why didn't 'they' just let him stay in Sweden of his own free will and then just surprise him with an extradition request, rather than pissing about and just drawing lots of attention to him?

And if 'they' were planning some great convoluted trap, why the fuck didn't 'they' keep track of him and stop him leaving Sweden in the first place, or just manufacture allegations serious enough and with enough supporting evidence to get him locked up on remand?

Is the CIA/whoever really not capable of even doing that, FFS?

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I reckon that is actually his major fear of going to Sweden: imagine him getting into interrogation, then being thrown out onto the street without any charges - free to walk, and no movie style black helicopters hovering overhead ready to ship him to Gitmo. It would at show just how an insignificant speck of human remains he actually is (thus, reality would shine through this farce) and would force the deluded to find new things to rant about.

Yeah, I can imagine that that is what he REALLY fears: having to work again for a living..

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